Thought Experiment: If The Web Went Away
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
You don't make judgement about the web just for a few unpleasant experience you had. You could blame and make judgement to the folks involved in planing and building that nonsense websites. Most of these nonsense web site fails because they lack understanding the need and comfort of consumers. Sure, there are tons of websites that are nonsense and useless - agreed. However, there are also tons of websites that are useful.I love books and read books, but I mostly rely on the web because it's easy to access everywhere. Online articles, videos and forums are surely very helpful. I wonder what's your point of view on CodeProject website. Is it nonsense too? ;P
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I don't think I could do my job without the web to look things up. The last few days I've been writing reports with DevExpress' XtraReports. Awesome tool, insanely quirky to work with. Without being able to "ask a question", I'd be soooo lost. And the crazy thing is, the questions that I ask are 99.99% ivory pure "asked before" questions. Go figure. > Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. The thing is, what's a distraction to me is useful to others. Probably a lame example, but I hardly ever look at videos of people playing games, whether they're online games or board games. But people actually make money on these videos! I could just as easily say that most books are completely not useful, to me. I have the books I like to read, and probably those would just be a distraction or useless to someone else.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
I could just as easily say that most books are completely not useful, to me. I have the books I like to read, and probably those would just be a distraction or useless to someone else.
I couldn't agree more. :thumbsup:
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You don't make judgement about the web just for a few unpleasant experience you had. You could blame and make judgement to the folks involved in planing and building that nonsense websites. Most of these nonsense web site fails because they lack understanding the need and comfort of consumers. Sure, there are tons of websites that are nonsense and useless - agreed. However, there are also tons of websites that are useful.I love books and read books, but I mostly rely on the web because it's easy to access everywhere. Online articles, videos and forums are surely very helpful. I wonder what's your point of view on CodeProject website. Is it nonsense too? ;P
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You don't make judgement about the web just for a few unpleasant experience you had. You could blame and make judgement to the folks involved in planing and building that nonsense websites. Most of these nonsense web site fails because they lack understanding the need and comfort of consumers. Sure, there are tons of websites that are nonsense and useless - agreed. However, there are also tons of websites that are useful.I love books and read books, but I mostly rely on the web because it's easy to access everywhere. Online articles, videos and forums are surely very helpful. I wonder what's your point of view on CodeProject website. Is it nonsense too? ;P
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Vincent Maverick Durano wrote:
what's your point of view on CodeProject website. Is it nonsense too?
The site is ok. But the Forums are total trash and garbage and I never go there. :laugh:
raddevus wrote:
But the Forums are total trash and garbage and I never go there. :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I know, but we as "forum contributors" are trying clean the mess. ;P
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Vincent Maverick Durano wrote:
However, there are also tons of websites that are useful
Oh yeah, well name 100 of them. :-D
raddevus wrote:
well name 100 of them. :-D
The're too many to mention. But here's your first 100:
for(var i = 1; i <= 100; i++){
Response.Write($"Good and Useful Website { i }.
");
};P
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raddevus wrote:
well name 100 of them. :-D
The're too many to mention. But here's your first 100:
for(var i = 1; i <= 100; i++){
Response.Write($"Good and Useful Website { i }.
");
};P
Vincent Maverick Durano wrote:
for(var i = 1; i <= 100; i++){ Response.Write($"Good and Useful Website { i }. <br/>"); }
Do I detect JavaScript?!? Garbage! Trash!! Outcast, unclean!! :laugh: More proof of the Web-garbage. :laugh: I know it's C#. I'm just being reactive!
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
Paying bills, and getting paid. No more "the cheque is in the post" knowing damn well it doesn't eve exist yet, much less it's been signed. Control over my money: I can monitor and move it around without the bank getting in the way and hanging on to it for a week in the meantime. Shopping. Has to be said: Fleabay and Amazon are my "go-to" starters for buying stuff. Price comparisons: not only comparison sites, but comparing prices in the two supermarkets near me while shopping in the other Recipes: if there is something special I see as I go round, I can look for good recipes before getting it, and decide what else I need to try it. News: particularly news that isn't "influenced" by my government: it's harder to hide secrets when somebody somewhere will shut it t the world. And of course: online video. No need to put up with the endless supply of repeats and "reality" shows we're fed with on terrestrial and satellite. And that's before we get to Google, Wiki, Wolfram Alpha, and CP!
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Paying bills, and getting paid. No more "the cheque is in the post" knowing damn well it doesn't eve exist yet, much less it's been signed. Control over my money: I can monitor and move it around without the bank getting in the way and hanging on to it for a week in the meantime. Shopping. Has to be said: Fleabay and Amazon are my "go-to" starters for buying stuff. Price comparisons: not only comparison sites, but comparing prices in the two supermarkets near me while shopping in the other Recipes: if there is something special I see as I go round, I can look for good recipes before getting it, and decide what else I need to try it. News: particularly news that isn't "influenced" by my government: it's harder to hide secrets when somebody somewhere will shut it t the world. And of course: online video. No need to put up with the endless supply of repeats and "reality" shows we're fed with on terrestrial and satellite. And that's before we get to Google, Wiki, Wolfram Alpha, and CP!
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:sigh: That's a pretty good list. I don't know what I would do without amazon. a lot of the electronics stuff you can't get in stores. Well, there are some good sites out there, but when you stumble upon the bad ones it makes you forget about the good stuff. You people are kind'a ruining my rant though.
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
I agree with some of what you've outlined, but for me the instant access to electronic parts, datasheets, datasheet erratas, PCB prototyping, MCU forums, IDE forums... is a good thing, one that I would not willingly give up at this point. Oh, and CP is pretty cool as well! do I earn extra brown-nose points for that last bit?
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
I work from home and VPN into our office network, and keep in touch with coworkers primarily with Skype and email. The office is an hour's drive away. Without the internet, I either wouldn't have this job, or I'd be wasting 10 hours a week on the road. Go offline all you want. I'm staying right here. As for the internet being a distraction--that's the case only if you let it. Start by getting rid of the obvious ones, like Twitter and Facebook. And have some discipline. It's really not that hard.
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
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Vincent Maverick Durano wrote:
for(var i = 1; i <= 100; i++){ Response.Write($"Good and Useful Website { i }. <br/>"); }
Do I detect JavaScript?!? Garbage! Trash!! Outcast, unclean!! :laugh: More proof of the Web-garbage. :laugh: I know it's C#. I'm just being reactive!
raddevus wrote:
I'm just being reactive
Object-oriented reactive.
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
raddevus wrote:
go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web.
Seen this before, the intention is rather than have you walk in and ask for a table and then hang around the reception area while they chase someone else out then clean up etc they want you to wait somewhere else. Avoids crowds loitering around waiting for their table(s) blocking traffic flow and arguments when larger groups wait longer than later arriving couples. Can even be a fire safety / insurance reasons where waiting groups may push them over their allowed max body count. As to the limit of 7 (or 6), it's a safety to stop wankers or evil competitors booking for say 30 and not showing up. For genuine large bookings I believe the [intended] process is/was first create the on-line booking so it's 'in their system,' and then call to increase the number (so now they have your caller-id - sort of like a 2FA for large group bookings / repeat bogus booking wankers). Sounds like since creating this the staff has changed a few times and the newer ones don't know this. (i.e. It does sound like the person you spoke to on the phone was not well trained anyway.)
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
Well I don't mind going back to paper and CD roms, may be dust up my old "PC" and wait for the next DOOM Demo CD.And save my data on the Floppy Disks ! Those were the days when the computer was cool if you had MUTIMEDiA and Bill Gates wrote The Road ahead and skipped the Internet.
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Gates is as fearful as he is feared, and these days he worries most about the Internet, Usenet and the World Wide Web, which threaten his software monopoly by shifting the nexus of control from stand-alone computers to the network that connects them. The Internet, by design, has no central operating system that Microsoft or anybody else can patent and license. And its libertarian culture is devoted to open—that is to say, nonproprietary—standards, none of which were set by Microsoft. Gates moved quickly this year to embrace the Net, although it sometimes seemed he was trying to wrap Microsoft's long arms around it.
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
If this happened people would have to relearn social skills! Not sure young people could handle that?
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I agree with some of what you've outlined, but for me the instant access to electronic parts, datasheets, datasheet erratas, PCB prototyping, MCU forums, IDE forums... is a good thing, one that I would not willingly give up at this point. Oh, and CP is pretty cool as well! do I earn extra brown-nose points for that last bit?
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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I work from home and VPN into our office network, and keep in touch with coworkers primarily with Skype and email. The office is an hour's drive away. Without the internet, I either wouldn't have this job, or I'd be wasting 10 hours a week on the road. Go offline all you want. I'm staying right here. As for the internet being a distraction--that's the case only if you let it. Start by getting rid of the obvious ones, like Twitter and Facebook. And have some discipline. It's really not that hard.
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raddevus wrote:
I'm just being reactive
Object-oriented reactive.
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
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raddevus wrote:
go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web.
Seen this before, the intention is rather than have you walk in and ask for a table and then hang around the reception area while they chase someone else out then clean up etc they want you to wait somewhere else. Avoids crowds loitering around waiting for their table(s) blocking traffic flow and arguments when larger groups wait longer than later arriving couples. Can even be a fire safety / insurance reasons where waiting groups may push them over their allowed max body count. As to the limit of 7 (or 6), it's a safety to stop wankers or evil competitors booking for say 30 and not showing up. For genuine large bookings I believe the [intended] process is/was first create the on-line booking so it's 'in their system,' and then call to increase the number (so now they have your caller-id - sort of like a 2FA for large group bookings / repeat bogus booking wankers). Sounds like since creating this the staff has changed a few times and the newer ones don't know this. (i.e. It does sound like the person you spoke to on the phone was not well trained anyway.)
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