Thought Experiment: If The Web Went Away
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I'd be fine :-) Go back to once a week BBS based systems over a telnet link, it would be awesome, just like the old days :-) I'd still have Skype desktop to talk to my clients, and while I might not be writing "Web Based Software" I'd still be writing some kind of software, because I think business will still want software, even if it's not on the web.
Peter Shaw wrote:
while I might not be writing "Web Based Software" I'd still be writing some kind of software, because I think business will still want software, even if it's not on the web.
Exactly. We had software before the web. The web is just an added layer. And the important part of the layer is the communication layer -- the Internet. :) It's just too bad that the potential of the Internet is wasted by bad web implementation.
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
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To be fair to the restaurants, soooo many people make reservations and never keep them. What you're seeing is the result of our own carelessness. :-D
milo-xml wrote:
o be fair to the restaurants, soooo many people make reservations and never keep them.
I agree with you. Maybe the restaurants could add a credit hold functionality which charges your card $5 and then if you show up the $5 is applied to your meal and if not the restaurant keeps the $5.
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
If the Web or the Internet went away, the world would probably return to a sense of a little more sanity in it. For all of the good that the Internet has provided, it has opened a Pandora's Box of degeneracy that appears to have no end in sight...
Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
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I'll name a restaurant chain that does something similar - Chili's. I put in a reservation for four at 6 PM about an hour before leaving home. Got there at 5:55 PM and was told to put my name on the waiting list. I haven't been back.
obermd wrote:
I put in a reservation for four at 6 PM about an hour before leaving home. Got there at 5:55 PM and was told to put my name on the waiting list.
It's so annoying. The restaurant that I was dealing with was Olive Garden. I wonder if it's owned by the same corporate entity or if they all just do this?
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
relevant knowledge. Along with what some have said about asking questions. The connection of sites and continued connecting of sites helps provide a great scale of knowledge FINDING. Could 99.99% of questions and answered be found in the Text books printed years ago? YES How quickly could you find that answer in the book? Might depend how well the books index is and ordered. How quickly could you find your question? Longer if at all. As with programming there can often be more then one way to solve the same thing. But being able to ask similar questions multiple times helps lead to an answer more suitable to your situation. Compared to a book written by a limited group. Share ability of add ability of that knowledge, with validation flows far faster and wider then other means. Your internet seems to be a 1 way pipe of information. Who curates and feeds you that information vs anyone being able to post their knowledge and you choosing to view that or not.
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes:
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jaf2 wrote:
But.... I bought one of your books online!
:laugh: LOL! You got me there. Well, let's say you used the Internet to do that. Or, at least you used _one_ of the good web sites to make the purchase. I'm really ranting about the poor use of Internet technology and bad web site functionality. For example, if you go back to the web site where you purchased my book and try to return it but the functionality doesn't work...then that is an example of good functionality. :rolleyes:
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Peter Shaw wrote:
while I might not be writing "Web Based Software" I'd still be writing some kind of software, because I think business will still want software, even if it's not on the web.
Exactly. We had software before the web. The web is just an added layer. And the important part of the layer is the communication layer -- the Internet. :) It's just too bad that the potential of the Internet is wasted by bad web implementation.
Hit the nail on the head :-) I do miss Telnet Style BBS's though, and Gopher, with all their cheesy ANSI orientated screen art, some of it was actually very well drawn.
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What would you really lose? I mean is the web really that innovative? Most of the Web : Not Useful Most of the web is completely not useful to the point of only being a distraction. Not Just Talking About Twitter and Facebook Uselessness And I'm not talking about Twitter and Facebook. I would definitely miss CP. I learn a lot here. But real daily useful functionality...there ain't much of it on the web. Headline: Restau_rant_ Inspires Man to Rant This rant was inspired by a restaurant chain which allows you to put in your dinner reservation. Well, not really. Instead it is just a distraction. I went to the site and it said, Put in your name to make your reservation. If your party is larger than 7 then call. Ours was 8 so I called. Me: I'd like to put in a reservation for 6:30. Restaurant-Worker: We don't do that. You can do it online. Me: well, the web page says to call if party is larger than 7 and we have 8. Restaurant-Worker: Oh, well, just put in 7 and then change it when you get here. Note: she said 7 which is incorrect, since max is 6. Me: [A vessel pops in my forehead and I'm rendered speechless.] I go back online and the "reservation" is really just a put-off. You cannot put it in ahead of time. You can put in a request right before you want the seats. It has no ability to add a time. It's just a technological put-off so people don't call the restaurant and bother the workers. :| Useless. Just like most of the web. The Web (Waste-land) Not Internet And, keep in mind, I'm saying the web, not The Internet. The Internet allows me to watch television on-demand so that is good. Seriously For One Moment What would you really lose? The ability to pay your bills, maybe. On sites that also don't work well. :rolleyes: Not much else. Oh, sure devs wouldn't have StackOverflow. But that would probably be better. I liked books and esoteric knowledge. :rolleyes: