Article 13
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I think, as this is about the EU, this could become fractious and would best be discussed in the SoapBox.
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Article 13 has now been approved by the EU. I can't work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I've been reading articles about it, and there seem to be both pros and cons to this new EU legislation. European Parliament backs copyright changes - BBC News[^] What do others think?
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter
Interesting, I get feeling it is one of those laws which will cause more problems while not solving the intended issue... like most of my plans works in theory only...
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Article 13 has now been approved by the EU. I can't work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I've been reading articles about it, and there seem to be both pros and cons to this new EU legislation. European Parliament backs copyright changes - BBC News[^] What do others think?
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter
I can't help feeling like it's an attempt by the EU to get the social media out of their politics, they seem somewhat opaque to me. I'm not really a fan of social media though, so I don't really know what to think. Probably going to replace it with some state owned propaganda news outlet. Guess we'll see what happens.
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Article 13 has now been approved by the EU. I can't work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I've been reading articles about it, and there seem to be both pros and cons to this new EU legislation. European Parliament backs copyright changes - BBC News[^] What do others think?
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter
What he said:
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Earlier this week, YouTube's chief business officer Robert Kyncl said that endorsement of Article 13 risked "discouraging or even prohibiting platforms from hosting user-generated content."
What he meant:
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Earlier this week, YouTube's chief business officer Robert Kyncl said that endorsement of Article 13 risked "Discouraging or even prohibiting platforms from hosting content stolen by users and in so doing messing up a business plan that has always been based upon and thrived upon wholesale copyright abuse."
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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What he said:
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Earlier this week, YouTube's chief business officer Robert Kyncl said that endorsement of Article 13 risked "discouraging or even prohibiting platforms from hosting user-generated content."
What he meant:
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Earlier this week, YouTube's chief business officer Robert Kyncl said that endorsement of Article 13 risked "Discouraging or even prohibiting platforms from hosting content stolen by users and in so doing messing up a business plan that has always been based upon and thrived upon wholesale copyright abuse."
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
Except YouTube already has the infrastructure in place to comply. In fact, they comply with it so efficiently that they'll take down content you own just because a large media corp claims that they own it. :doh: Family Guy Used NES Game Footage From YouTube, Then Claimed Copyright on Same Video - GameSpot[^] Smaller companies trying to challenge YouTube probably wouldn't be able to afford to implement a similar automated enforcement tool, making it almost impossible for them to compete. (Assuming the regulations actually apply to small sites. But who decides what's "small"?) I'm still waiting to see whether it will apply to sites like CodeProject, and how the hamsters will cope with having to run every single word anyone posts through a massive database of copyright claims before allowing it to appear. :~
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Article 13 has now been approved by the EU. I can't work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I've been reading articles about it, and there seem to be both pros and cons to this new EU legislation. European Parliament backs copyright changes - BBC News[^] What do others think?
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter
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Except YouTube already has the infrastructure in place to comply. In fact, they comply with it so efficiently that they'll take down content you own just because a large media corp claims that they own it. :doh: Family Guy Used NES Game Footage From YouTube, Then Claimed Copyright on Same Video - GameSpot[^] Smaller companies trying to challenge YouTube probably wouldn't be able to afford to implement a similar automated enforcement tool, making it almost impossible for them to compete. (Assuming the regulations actually apply to small sites. But who decides what's "small"?) I'm still waiting to see whether it will apply to sites like CodeProject, and how the hamsters will cope with having to run every single word anyone posts through a massive database of copyright claims before allowing it to appear. :~
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Except YouTube already has the infrastructure in place to comply. In fact, they comply with it so efficiently that they'll take down content you own just because a large media corp claims that they own it. :doh: Family Guy Used NES Game Footage From YouTube, Then Claimed Copyright on Same Video - GameSpot[^] Smaller companies trying to challenge YouTube probably wouldn't be able to afford to implement a similar automated enforcement tool, making it almost impossible for them to compete. (Assuming the regulations actually apply to small sites. But who decides what's "small"?) I'm still waiting to see whether it will apply to sites like CodeProject, and how the hamsters will cope with having to run every single word anyone posts through a massive database of copyright claims before allowing it to appear. :~
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
I'm still waiting to see whether it will apply to sites like CodeProject
I don't see how it could. A reasonable court would see compliance as an undue burden to a very small company, one would hope. In terms of audience, Developer Media isn't on the same playing field as Google or Facebook.
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Richard Deeming wrote:
every single word
ALARM! ALARM! Trademark infringement detected. Call the FBI!"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
I can see the look on some poor programmer's face after being served litigation papers... "What!? Someone patented the
do whileloop!? #@$&*$! Quick! Go file a patent for theIterator.Next()method!"if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
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Interesting, I get feeling it is one of those laws which will cause more problems while not solving the intended issue... like most of my plans works in theory only...
Pretty sure you are right. How the hell do you manage the content. How do you figure out what is legit and what is not. Did the politicians really consider the impact. Did the do a TRUMP.
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Article 13 has now been approved by the EU. I can't work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I've been reading articles about it, and there seem to be both pros and cons to this new EU legislation. European Parliament backs copyright changes - BBC News[^] What do others think?
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter
I think the EU is a veritable walking dead man, brought to its knees by Poland and not the UK. Article 7 was invoked and is unenforceable since Hungary (which has gone the same route politically as Poland) will veto any further action. This makes the EU, as a political entity, untenable. So glad that the UK is leaving. EU gives Poland new deadline for rule of law deal | Reuters[^] Poland will just keep ignoring the diktats of Brussels since it knows they can't do anything about it other than posture. What a shambles. [admins] feel free to move to soapbox - an interesting subject to debate, possibly.
Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End
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I think the EU is a veritable walking dead man, brought to its knees by Poland and not the UK. Article 7 was invoked and is unenforceable since Hungary (which has gone the same route politically as Poland) will veto any further action. This makes the EU, as a political entity, untenable. So glad that the UK is leaving. EU gives Poland new deadline for rule of law deal | Reuters[^] Poland will just keep ignoring the diktats of Brussels since it knows they can't do anything about it other than posture. What a shambles. [admins] feel free to move to soapbox - an interesting subject to debate, possibly.
Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End
Hungary might actually lose their voting rights, so that will take care of the veto. [EU Parliament votes to trigger Article 7 sanctions procedure against Hungary | News | DW | 12.09.2018](https://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-votes-to-trigger-article-7-sanctions-procedure-against-hungary/a-45459720)
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The move means that Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban's government could eventually lose its EU voting rights.
They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!
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Richard Deeming wrote:
I'm still waiting to see whether it will apply to sites like CodeProject
I don't see how it could. A reasonable court would see compliance as an undue burden to a very small company, one would hope. In terms of audience, Developer Media isn't on the same playing field as Google or Facebook.
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Foothill wrote:
A reasonable court ...
That seems to be quite a rare thing. :-D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Hungary might actually lose their voting rights, so that will take care of the veto. [EU Parliament votes to trigger Article 7 sanctions procedure against Hungary | News | DW | 12.09.2018](https://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-votes-to-trigger-article-7-sanctions-procedure-against-hungary/a-45459720)
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The move means that Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban's government could eventually lose its EU voting rights.
They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!
and Poland will just veto that. They will support each other making a mockery of the EU.
Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End
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Foothill wrote:
A reasonable court ...
That seems to be quite a rare thing. :-D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote:
I'm still waiting to see whether it will apply to sites like CodeProject
I don't see how it could. A reasonable court would see compliance as an undue burden to a very small company, one would hope. In terms of audience, Developer Media isn't on the same playing field as Google or Facebook.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
I fear you could be wrong. I was reading that the legislation applies to ALL sites up to a certain size (a certain number of registered users is being touted as the benchmark for implementing the legislation). Above that size, you must implement it.
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter
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I fear you could be wrong. I was reading that the legislation applies to ALL sites up to a certain size (a certain number of registered users is being touted as the benchmark for implementing the legislation). Above that size, you must implement it.
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter
Since you put it that way, it could very well put CodeProject square inside their limits. But, to counter that, automatically filtering all content we post on this site in regards to code is physically impossible unless all code with a copywrite is known before hand and I doubt and of the FAANG companies or Microsoft will give up any of their secrets.
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Except YouTube already has the infrastructure in place to comply. In fact, they comply with it so efficiently that they'll take down content you own just because a large media corp claims that they own it. :doh: Family Guy Used NES Game Footage From YouTube, Then Claimed Copyright on Same Video - GameSpot[^] Smaller companies trying to challenge YouTube probably wouldn't be able to afford to implement a similar automated enforcement tool, making it almost impossible for them to compete. (Assuming the regulations actually apply to small sites. But who decides what's "small"?) I'm still waiting to see whether it will apply to sites like CodeProject, and how the hamsters will cope with having to run every single word anyone posts through a massive database of copyright claims before allowing it to appear. :~
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
I'm still waiting to see whether it will apply to sites like CodeProject, and how the hamsters will cope with having to run every single word anyone posts through a massive database of copyright claims before allowing it to appear.
"Sorry but copyright on 'Object not set to an instance of an object' belongs to someone else." Might not be a bad thing...
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Article 13 has now been approved by the EU. I can't work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I've been reading articles about it, and there seem to be both pros and cons to this new EU legislation. European Parliament backs copyright changes - BBC News[^] What do others think?
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter
Well, this take on it doesn't sound particularly promising: Europe just voted to wreck the internet, spying on everything and censoring vast swathes of our communications / Boing Boing[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Well, this take on it doesn't sound particularly promising: Europe just voted to wreck the internet, spying on everything and censoring vast swathes of our communications / Boing Boing[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
:omg: :omg:
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter
