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  • F Foothill

    Richard Deeming wrote:

    I'm still waiting to see whether it will apply to sites like CodeProject

    I don't see how it could. A reasonable court would see compliance as an undue burden to a very small company, one would hope. In terms of audience, Developer Media isn't on the same playing field as Google or Facebook.

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    Dominic Burford
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    I fear you could be wrong. I was reading that the legislation applies to ALL sites up to a certain size (a certain number of registered users is being touted as the benchmark for implementing the legislation). Above that size, you must implement it.

    "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

      Foothill wrote:

      A reasonable court ...

      That seems to be quite a rare thing. :-D


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      Foothill
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      Yea, I guess "reasonable court" depends more on geographic location and demographics than anything else now-a-days.

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      • D Dominic Burford

        I fear you could be wrong. I was reading that the legislation applies to ALL sites up to a certain size (a certain number of registered users is being touted as the benchmark for implementing the legislation). Above that size, you must implement it.

        "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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        Foothill
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        Since you put it that way, it could very well put CodeProject square inside their limits. But, to counter that, automatically filtering all content we post on this site in regards to code is physically impossible unless all code with a copywrite is known before hand and I doubt and of the FAANG companies or Microsoft will give up any of their secrets.

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        • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

          Except YouTube already has the infrastructure in place to comply. In fact, they comply with it so efficiently that they'll take down content you own just because a large media corp claims that they own it. :doh: Family Guy Used NES Game Footage From YouTube, Then Claimed Copyright on Same Video - GameSpot[^] Smaller companies trying to challenge YouTube probably wouldn't be able to afford to implement a similar automated enforcement tool, making it almost impossible for them to compete. (Assuming the regulations actually apply to small sites. But who decides what's "small"?) I'm still waiting to see whether it will apply to sites like CodeProject, and how the hamsters will cope with having to run every single word anyone posts through a massive database of copyright claims before allowing it to appear. :~


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          F ES Sitecore
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          Richard Deeming wrote:

          I'm still waiting to see whether it will apply to sites like CodeProject, and how the hamsters will cope with having to run every single word anyone posts through a massive database of copyright claims before allowing it to appear.

          "Sorry but copyright on 'Object not set to an instance of an object' belongs to someone else." Might not be a bad thing...

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          • D Dominic Burford

            Article 13 has now been approved by the EU. I can't work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I've been reading articles about it, and there seem to be both pros and cons to this new EU legislation. European Parliament backs copyright changes - BBC News[^] What do others think?

            "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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            Richard Deeming
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            Well, this take on it doesn't sound particularly promising: Europe just voted to wreck the internet, spying on everything and censoring vast swathes of our communications / Boing Boing[^]


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            • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

              Well, this take on it doesn't sound particularly promising: Europe just voted to wreck the internet, spying on everything and censoring vast swathes of our communications / Boing Boing[^]


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              Dominic Burford
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              :omg: :omg:

              "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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              • D Dominic Burford

                Article 13 has now been approved by the EU. I can't work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I've been reading articles about it, and there seem to be both pros and cons to this new EU legislation. European Parliament backs copyright changes - BBC News[^] What do others think?

                "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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                Nelek
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                As most of the political incitatives last years... it is a relative good idea, that is going to be misused and will make a hell of a mess.

                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                • D Dominic Burford

                  I fear you could be wrong. I was reading that the legislation applies to ALL sites up to a certain size (a certain number of registered users is being touted as the benchmark for implementing the legislation). Above that size, you must implement it.

                  "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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                  GenJerDan
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                  Dominic Burford wrote:

                  I was reading that the legislation applies to ALL sites up to a certain size

                  And that is why the whole thing is a BS money-grab. It's only a law for people with deep pockets? Can they be any more blatant?

                  We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube, VidMe and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc. and FB

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                  • G glennPattonWork3

                    Interesting, I get feeling it is one of those laws which will cause more problems while not solving the intended issue... like most of my plans works in theory only...

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                    Munchies_Matt
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                    glennPattonWork wrote:

                    one of those laws which will cause more problems while not solving the intended issue

                    THats the EU all over isnt it?

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                    • R R Giskard Reventlov

                      and Poland will just veto that. They will support each other making a mockery of the EU.

                      Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End

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                      Munchies_Matt
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                      And of course the EU would never actually throw a country out, so all it can do is pull funding.

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                      • D Dominic Burford

                        Article 13 has now been approved by the EU. I can't work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I've been reading articles about it, and there seem to be both pros and cons to this new EU legislation. European Parliament backs copyright changes - BBC News[^] What do others think?

                        "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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                        Munchies_Matt
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                        A shame. Satire should never be limited, it is the health and life blood of a modern country!

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                          And of course the EU would never actually throw a country out, so all it can do is pull funding.

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                          Jorgen Andersson
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                          Wouldn't that be quite efficient enough?

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                            Wouldn't that be quite efficient enough?

                            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                            Munchies_Matt
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                            It depends on the countries revenue, how much it pays to the EU, and how much it receives. Of course the country could always threaten to ditch the Euro if it was too adversely affected. This would be such a shock to the EU that it would soon give in.

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                              It depends on the countries revenue, how much it pays to the EU, and how much it receives. Of course the country could always threaten to ditch the Euro if it was too adversely affected. This would be such a shock to the EU that it would soon give in.

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                              Jorgen Andersson
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                              That's a balance of €3 Billion. And €8.5 for Poland.

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                                That's a balance of €3 Billion. And €8.5 for Poland.

                                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                Munchies_Matt
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                                "Of course the country could always threaten to ditch the Euro if it was too adversely affected. This would be such a shock to the EU that it would soon give in."

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                                  "Of course the country could always threaten to ditch the Euro if it was too adversely affected. This would be such a shock to the EU that it would soon give in."

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                                  Lost User
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                                  Poland and Hungary are not part of the EURO-zone. There is no Euro to ditch for them.

                                  They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!

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                                    Poland and Hungary are not part of the EURO-zone. There is no Euro to ditch for them.

                                    They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!

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                                    Munchies_Matt
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                                    Good on them!

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                                    • D Dominic Burford

                                      Article 13 has now been approved by the EU. I can't work out if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I've been reading articles about it, and there seem to be both pros and cons to this new EU legislation. European Parliament backs copyright changes - BBC News[^] What do others think?

                                      "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Home | LinkedIn | Google+ | Twitter

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                                      GuyThiebaut
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                                      It reminds me of the whole Metallica debacle where they sued people for downloading and not paying for their music. Strangely enough many smaller bands were negatively affected by this as they depended on fans exchanging downloaded music to become better known. I have not read the article in full but from what I have heard it sounds like a step backwards. It's going to make it very difficult for people to do things like offer commentaries or tutorials on musical pieces or comment on films and other videos. The open community, for want of a better set of words, allows a decent exchange of ideas and is pretty good at policing itself. I remember a case where someone lifted one of my articles word for word and claimed they had written it. My fellow code project comrades let the person know in no uncertain terms that what they were doing was deeply unethical and their copy of my article disappeared within hours. So most of the time I have faith in the online community policing itself and think that Article 13 is unnecessary.

                                      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                      ― Christopher Hitchens

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