Elon Musk forced to step down
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Elon Musk forced to step down as chairman of Tesla, remains CEO - The Verge[^]:
Musk will have to step down as the chairman of Tesla within 45 days, and will not be able to take that role with the company again for three years. He will be able to remain Tesla’s CEO during that time.
We are all equal, but some are more equal than others.
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Read the other day that he was having problems. Didn't realize they were putting such a tight muzzle on him though!
I may not be that good looking, or athletic, or funny, or talented, or smart I forgot where I was going with this but I do know I love bacon!
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Read the other day that he was having problems. Didn't realize they were putting such a tight muzzle on him though!
I may not be that good looking, or athletic, or funny, or talented, or smart I forgot where I was going with this but I do know I love bacon!
Looks like "joking" with the company stocks is not that funny.
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Looks like "joking" with the company stocks is not that funny.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Yep and what is it with tweeting? They know what they tweet is permanent and accessible why do they (and by they I mean, the haves...you know who else I mean in particular) persist in tweeting sensitive info?
I may not be that good looking, or athletic, or funny, or talented, or smart I forgot where I was going with this but I do know I love bacon!
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Elon Musk forced to step down as chairman of Tesla, remains CEO - The Verge[^]:
Musk will have to step down as the chairman of Tesla within 45 days, and will not be able to take that role with the company again for three years. He will be able to remain Tesla’s CEO during that time.
We are all equal, but some are more equal than others.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Seems to have got off very lightly for a pretty serious lapse of reason. Corporate regulators in other jurisdictions may have taken a much dimmer view.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Elon Musk forced to step down as chairman of Tesla, remains CEO - The Verge[^]:
Musk will have to step down as the chairman of Tesla within 45 days, and will not be able to take that role with the company again for three years. He will be able to remain Tesla’s CEO during that time.
We are all equal, but some are more equal than others.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
We are all equal, but some are more equal than others.
Indeed. I wish I were "equal" in the ability to pay the $20 million fine. :laugh:
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Elon Musk forced to step down as chairman of Tesla, remains CEO - The Verge[^]:
Musk will have to step down as the chairman of Tesla within 45 days, and will not be able to take that role with the company again for three years. He will be able to remain Tesla’s CEO during that time.
We are all equal, but some are more equal than others.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
So he's still CEO, just not chairman of the board. For a few years. So nothing will really change. And frankly I hope it doesn't. He's full nutbag crazy but he's pushing the industry above and beyond what they would have done by themselves. When the iPhone came out the feature phone was dead. Every major camera maker scrambled to make something that cool. When the Tesla came out suddenly the entire EV industry became cool and the horrid tiny Evs aimed at incredibly niche market of what appeared to be those who didn't actually like cars was replaced by a market of car enthusiasts who expected a car with a big "Ludicrous mode" button that could beat any car on the road. That's what Elon brings and I hope he keeps pushing.
cheers Chris Maunder
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So he's still CEO, just not chairman of the board. For a few years. So nothing will really change. And frankly I hope it doesn't. He's full nutbag crazy but he's pushing the industry above and beyond what they would have done by themselves. When the iPhone came out the feature phone was dead. Every major camera maker scrambled to make something that cool. When the Tesla came out suddenly the entire EV industry became cool and the horrid tiny Evs aimed at incredibly niche market of what appeared to be those who didn't actually like cars was replaced by a market of car enthusiasts who expected a car with a big "Ludicrous mode" button that could beat any car on the road. That's what Elon brings and I hope he keeps pushing.
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
So nothing will really change.
I would like to think that he has at least learned the lesson.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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So he's still CEO, just not chairman of the board. For a few years. So nothing will really change. And frankly I hope it doesn't. He's full nutbag crazy but he's pushing the industry above and beyond what they would have done by themselves. When the iPhone came out the feature phone was dead. Every major camera maker scrambled to make something that cool. When the Tesla came out suddenly the entire EV industry became cool and the horrid tiny Evs aimed at incredibly niche market of what appeared to be those who didn't actually like cars was replaced by a market of car enthusiasts who expected a car with a big "Ludicrous mode" button that could beat any car on the road. That's what Elon brings and I hope he keeps pushing.
cheers Chris Maunder
It's still a niche market. And will remain so for the foreseeable future. Reason being, they're still fucking expensive for anyone except rich people. Lithium batteries are a mature industrial product and the price for them isn't dropping anymore, except on some fanpages, so the cost of a full range battery pack will remain prohibitive for the majority of people. For reference, there used to be a pricetag for an exchange battery pack for the S85 on Teslas homepage of $46,000. It's since long gone, together with the $35,000 model E (you can find it on the wayback machine if you bother). Hybrid cars though, is a completely different question.
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Seems to have got off very lightly for a pretty serious lapse of reason. Corporate regulators in other jurisdictions may have taken a much dimmer view.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
Exactly - in a previous company I worked for that went public we were told a story of someone who was jailed simply for chatting with a friend over a beer about his company's future plans which led to the share price rising and his friend making money on the information. The head of finance told us that we should not mention anything about future plans of the company to anyone outside of the company as we too could risk going to jail. It does demonstrate that money buys influence, as I wonder what would have happened to one of his engineers if they had tweeted the same information.
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So he's still CEO, just not chairman of the board. For a few years. So nothing will really change. And frankly I hope it doesn't. He's full nutbag crazy but he's pushing the industry above and beyond what they would have done by themselves. When the iPhone came out the feature phone was dead. Every major camera maker scrambled to make something that cool. When the Tesla came out suddenly the entire EV industry became cool and the horrid tiny Evs aimed at incredibly niche market of what appeared to be those who didn't actually like cars was replaced by a market of car enthusiasts who expected a car with a big "Ludicrous mode" button that could beat any car on the road. That's what Elon brings and I hope he keeps pushing.
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
That's what Elon brings and I hope he keeps pushing.
What Elon brings is twitter-meltdowns and broken production-promises. I hope he keeps doing what he does best; prove he's an idiot :)
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So he's still CEO, just not chairman of the board. For a few years. So nothing will really change. And frankly I hope it doesn't. He's full nutbag crazy but he's pushing the industry above and beyond what they would have done by themselves. When the iPhone came out the feature phone was dead. Every major camera maker scrambled to make something that cool. When the Tesla came out suddenly the entire EV industry became cool and the horrid tiny Evs aimed at incredibly niche market of what appeared to be those who didn't actually like cars was replaced by a market of car enthusiasts who expected a car with a big "Ludicrous mode" button that could beat any car on the road. That's what Elon brings and I hope he keeps pushing.
cheers Chris Maunder
Big cars, big roads, big parking lots. Sure he is a visionary. An interesting point of view from a dedicated cyclist. Big fibs also seem to be the way of the future, everyone is into it.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Elon Musk forced to step down as chairman of Tesla, remains CEO - The Verge[^]:
Musk will have to step down as the chairman of Tesla within 45 days, and will not be able to take that role with the company again for three years. He will be able to remain Tesla’s CEO during that time.
We are all equal, but some are more equal than others.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
It was the evil AI that's out to get him.
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Big cars, big roads, big parking lots. Sure he is a visionary. An interesting point of view from a dedicated cyclist. Big fibs also seem to be the way of the future, everyone is into it.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
You realise that Elon isn't actually about the cars?
cheers Chris Maunder
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It's still a niche market. And will remain so for the foreseeable future. Reason being, they're still fucking expensive for anyone except rich people. Lithium batteries are a mature industrial product and the price for them isn't dropping anymore, except on some fanpages, so the cost of a full range battery pack will remain prohibitive for the majority of people. For reference, there used to be a pricetag for an exchange battery pack for the S85 on Teslas homepage of $46,000. It's since long gone, together with the $35,000 model E (you can find it on the wayback machine if you bother). Hybrid cars though, is a completely different question.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Lithium batteries are just a stepping stone, and an unsustainable one at that. There's better, safer, denser options coming.
cheers Chris Maunder
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Lithium batteries are just a stepping stone, and an unsustainable one at that. There's better, safer, denser options coming.
cheers Chris Maunder
Are there really? There are a lot in news, but then it goes quiet. There really aren't any better oxidizer-reducing agent pairs known that are practically usable in a car. At least not now. Well, there is the Sodium-Sulphur battery with roughly twice the energy content compared with Lithium-ion. It has the drawback of being extraordinarily corrosive, and it has a working temperature of 300C which is a teensy bit high. But I believe it could actually be quite useful in buses. The most expensive part is the casing, the rest of the components are dirt cheap. In short, to be practically useful, they need to work at room temperature, charge-discharge quite a bit more than 50 times and preferably not be explosive or overly poisonous. AND actually cheaper than Lithium-ion as well as having higher capacity. That's a tough combo to beat.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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You realise that Elon isn't actually about the cars?
cheers Chris Maunder
I was responding to you lauding his creation of big powerful electric cars. He is both a visionary and a fascinating character. It seems the li battery in South Australia is set to be a success and if the economics allowed it I'd be keen to have a Powerwall. I hope he holds it together.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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I was responding to you lauding his creation of big powerful electric cars. He is both a visionary and a fascinating character. It seems the li battery in South Australia is set to be a success and if the economics allowed it I'd be keen to have a Powerwall. I hope he holds it together.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
his cars are great (except a bit cheap and rattly inside) but it's more his pushing the market to be better that I admire. In this world of design by committee we need people willing to take the risks he's taking. Don't get me wrong - he's full nutbag - but I admire his bravery and foolishness in equal amounts.
cheers Chris Maunder
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Are there really? There are a lot in news, but then it goes quiet. There really aren't any better oxidizer-reducing agent pairs known that are practically usable in a car. At least not now. Well, there is the Sodium-Sulphur battery with roughly twice the energy content compared with Lithium-ion. It has the drawback of being extraordinarily corrosive, and it has a working temperature of 300C which is a teensy bit high. But I believe it could actually be quite useful in buses. The most expensive part is the casing, the rest of the components are dirt cheap. In short, to be practically useful, they need to work at room temperature, charge-discharge quite a bit more than 50 times and preferably not be explosive or overly poisonous. AND actually cheaper than Lithium-ion as well as having higher capacity. That's a tough combo to beat.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
That's nothing that a pair of oven mitts and a bit of aluminium foil can't fix! (but yeah, I'm definitely hoping sodium ion work out. They can all the salt they want from Toronto's roads 6 months of the year)
cheers Chris Maunder
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That's nothing that a pair of oven mitts and a bit of aluminium foil can't fix! (but yeah, I'm definitely hoping sodium ion work out. They can all the salt they want from Toronto's roads 6 months of the year)
cheers Chris Maunder
The problem with all SodiumIon batteries so far is that they don't cycle more than fifty times. This seems to be a hard problem to overcome, apparently it's to do with the size of the sodiumion. They are larger and like to stay where they are. The other problem is that they have roughly half the capacity to the LiCoO2
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Elon Musk forced to step down as chairman of Tesla, remains CEO - The Verge[^]:
Musk will have to step down as the chairman of Tesla within 45 days, and will not be able to take that role with the company again for three years. He will be able to remain Tesla’s CEO during that time.
We are all equal, but some are more equal than others.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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