Win10 Strikes again: More Bad (new) UI/UX
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Reinstall Win 7 and put it in a VM. That's what I'm going to do...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
No, but I did do a quick command line app in monodevelop. I haven't yet found proof that a GUI app is even possible in mono.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
No, but I did do a quick command line app in monodevelop. I haven't yet found proof that a GUI app is even possible in mono.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I haven't yet found proof that a GUI app is even possible in mono.
You can have your WinForms even on the Raspberry :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Most of the new UI/UX is terrible. The only defense of new UI by the new UI designers is: "You are old and you don't understand how great this is." Whatevs!! Here's the latest example from Win10. I wanted to speed up my mouse speed - make cursor move more for smaller amount of mouse movement. I went to Settings in Win10 and searched for "mouse". It suggested mouse settings. <BeginDrippingSarcasm> These are the new Win10 mouse settings with the helpful new user interface. Oh wow! </BeginDrippingSarcasm> https://i.stack.imgur.com/V7mwk.png[^] They are bigger on screen, and they have nifty things like slider and switches, but there are only 4 visible choices. Terrible UX (User Experience is what you remember not the User Interface). It's like that old saying,
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"People don't remember what you said, they remember how you made them feel."
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"People don't remember what your User Interface does, they remember how they felt using it."
Search for Mouse Speed So there is no choice on the Mouse Settings nifty new UI to change the mouse speed. I search the "Find a setting"... Look what pops up!!! https://i.stack.imgur.com/JJr2G.png[^] The Old Stuff Is Actually Better The very well designed and thoroughly tested (over 20 years of the same thing) original mouse settings dialog with nice tabs and very nice text explaining what everything is and...and...and... THE POINT ====> It is nice and compact and easy to use. The Additional Problem The other problem is that because win10 doesn't even wrap up this original functionality you have to LEARN TWO UIs now. Imagine if you are new to computers and you are looking for mouse speed. Now you have to look through the nifty new UI and then eventually land on the old UI anyways. Total garbage!! I'm trying to be subtle but can you tell how I feel about it? :laugh: :laugh:
Mouse Settings --> Mouse & touchpad --> More mouse options --> Pointer Options --> Motion Isn't this what yer after?
The best way to improve Windows is run it on a Mac. The best way to bring a Mac to its knees is to run Windows on it. ~ my brother Jeff
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Most of the new UI/UX is terrible. The only defense of new UI by the new UI designers is: "You are old and you don't understand how great this is." Whatevs!! Here's the latest example from Win10. I wanted to speed up my mouse speed - make cursor move more for smaller amount of mouse movement. I went to Settings in Win10 and searched for "mouse". It suggested mouse settings. <BeginDrippingSarcasm> These are the new Win10 mouse settings with the helpful new user interface. Oh wow! </BeginDrippingSarcasm> https://i.stack.imgur.com/V7mwk.png[^] They are bigger on screen, and they have nifty things like slider and switches, but there are only 4 visible choices. Terrible UX (User Experience is what you remember not the User Interface). It's like that old saying,
Quote:
"People don't remember what you said, they remember how you made them feel."
UX is :
Quote:
"People don't remember what your User Interface does, they remember how they felt using it."
Search for Mouse Speed So there is no choice on the Mouse Settings nifty new UI to change the mouse speed. I search the "Find a setting"... Look what pops up!!! https://i.stack.imgur.com/JJr2G.png[^] The Old Stuff Is Actually Better The very well designed and thoroughly tested (over 20 years of the same thing) original mouse settings dialog with nice tabs and very nice text explaining what everything is and...and...and... THE POINT ====> It is nice and compact and easy to use. The Additional Problem The other problem is that because win10 doesn't even wrap up this original functionality you have to LEARN TWO UIs now. Imagine if you are new to computers and you are looking for mouse speed. Now you have to look through the nifty new UI and then eventually land on the old UI anyways. Total garbage!! I'm trying to be subtle but can you tell how I feel about it? :laugh: :laugh:
Slowly but surely, with each new iteration of Windows 10, MS is migrating more and more of the old dialog boxes that work to a new UI that doesn't. On a similar rant: These days when you right-click the network icon next to the clock and try to access the Network and Sharing Center (which used to be RIGHT THERE), you now get brought to a Network Status page, which kinda has some of the old options, but not everything. For everything that's missing, there's a link to the Network and Sharing Center. In other words, you now have to go through an extra screen to locate the option that brings up the old dialog. I understand what they're ultimately trying to accomplish, but until they get there, try to explain why "this is better" to a non-technical person...
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Most of the new UI/UX is terrible. The only defense of new UI by the new UI designers is: "You are old and you don't understand how great this is." Whatevs!! Here's the latest example from Win10. I wanted to speed up my mouse speed - make cursor move more for smaller amount of mouse movement. I went to Settings in Win10 and searched for "mouse". It suggested mouse settings. <BeginDrippingSarcasm> These are the new Win10 mouse settings with the helpful new user interface. Oh wow! </BeginDrippingSarcasm> https://i.stack.imgur.com/V7mwk.png[^] They are bigger on screen, and they have nifty things like slider and switches, but there are only 4 visible choices. Terrible UX (User Experience is what you remember not the User Interface). It's like that old saying,
Quote:
"People don't remember what you said, they remember how you made them feel."
UX is :
Quote:
"People don't remember what your User Interface does, they remember how they felt using it."
Search for Mouse Speed So there is no choice on the Mouse Settings nifty new UI to change the mouse speed. I search the "Find a setting"... Look what pops up!!! https://i.stack.imgur.com/JJr2G.png[^] The Old Stuff Is Actually Better The very well designed and thoroughly tested (over 20 years of the same thing) original mouse settings dialog with nice tabs and very nice text explaining what everything is and...and...and... THE POINT ====> It is nice and compact and easy to use. The Additional Problem The other problem is that because win10 doesn't even wrap up this original functionality you have to LEARN TWO UIs now. Imagine if you are new to computers and you are looking for mouse speed. Now you have to look through the nifty new UI and then eventually land on the old UI anyways. Total garbage!! I'm trying to be subtle but can you tell how I feel about it? :laugh: :laugh:
How about "Show Window Contents while Dragging". I found the options dialog didn't have this setting any more - at all! I ended up setting the setting manually from code when I started a drag and then restoring it when finished. This worked great by the way but being able to set it for a given application is no longer possible - AFAIK. The UI options are going down the tubes until the UX sux!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Mouse Settings --> Mouse & touchpad --> More mouse options --> Pointer Options --> Motion Isn't this what yer after?
The best way to improve Windows is run it on a Mac. The best way to bring a Mac to its knees is to run Windows on it. ~ my brother Jeff
MacSpudster wrote:
Mouse Settings --> Mouse & touchpad --> More mouse options --> Pointer Options --> Motion
Wait how many clicks is that? :rolleyes: Oh, I see...from that Mouse Settings page I could've clicked "Additional mouse options" and gotten to the old dialog and motion settings. Phew... So they take up almost as much space on screen with the
RELATED SETTINGS
Additional mouse options...as they would've by just showing the options. :laugh: Giant fonts that are sentences of description. Put me down for "doesn't like". :rolleyes:
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Slowly but surely, with each new iteration of Windows 10, MS is migrating more and more of the old dialog boxes that work to a new UI that doesn't. On a similar rant: These days when you right-click the network icon next to the clock and try to access the Network and Sharing Center (which used to be RIGHT THERE), you now get brought to a Network Status page, which kinda has some of the old options, but not everything. For everything that's missing, there's a link to the Network and Sharing Center. In other words, you now have to go through an extra screen to locate the option that brings up the old dialog. I understand what they're ultimately trying to accomplish, but until they get there, try to explain why "this is better" to a non-technical person...
dandy72 wrote:
migrating more and more of the old dialog boxes that work to a new UI that doesn't.
Totally agree and your example is a great one that shows yet another failure that is similar to this whole MODERN UI failure that is a FAILURE OF UX (User Experience) ala I just remember that I hate using these products.
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How about "Show Window Contents while Dragging". I found the options dialog didn't have this setting any more - at all! I ended up setting the setting manually from code when I started a drag and then restoring it when finished. This worked great by the way but being able to set it for a given application is no longer possible - AFAIK. The UI options are going down the tubes until the UX sux!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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MacSpudster wrote:
Mouse Settings --> Mouse & touchpad --> More mouse options --> Pointer Options --> Motion
Wait how many clicks is that? :rolleyes: Oh, I see...from that Mouse Settings page I could've clicked "Additional mouse options" and gotten to the old dialog and motion settings. Phew... So they take up almost as much space on screen with the
RELATED SETTINGS
Additional mouse options...as they would've by just showing the options. :laugh: Giant fonts that are sentences of description. Put me down for "doesn't like". :rolleyes:
Basically: If a Forklift could lift forks, how many forks would a forklift lift? :doh: :wtf: :laugh:
The best way to improve Windows is run it on a Mac. The best way to bring a Mac to its knees is to run Windows on it. ~ my brother Jeff
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Basically: If a Forklift could lift forks, how many forks would a forklift lift? :doh: :wtf: :laugh:
The best way to improve Windows is run it on a Mac. The best way to bring a Mac to its knees is to run Windows on it. ~ my brother Jeff
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Most of the new UI/UX is terrible. The only defense of new UI by the new UI designers is: "You are old and you don't understand how great this is." Whatevs!! Here's the latest example from Win10. I wanted to speed up my mouse speed - make cursor move more for smaller amount of mouse movement. I went to Settings in Win10 and searched for "mouse". It suggested mouse settings. <BeginDrippingSarcasm> These are the new Win10 mouse settings with the helpful new user interface. Oh wow! </BeginDrippingSarcasm> https://i.stack.imgur.com/V7mwk.png[^] They are bigger on screen, and they have nifty things like slider and switches, but there are only 4 visible choices. Terrible UX (User Experience is what you remember not the User Interface). It's like that old saying,
Quote:
"People don't remember what you said, they remember how you made them feel."
UX is :
Quote:
"People don't remember what your User Interface does, they remember how they felt using it."
Search for Mouse Speed So there is no choice on the Mouse Settings nifty new UI to change the mouse speed. I search the "Find a setting"... Look what pops up!!! https://i.stack.imgur.com/JJr2G.png[^] The Old Stuff Is Actually Better The very well designed and thoroughly tested (over 20 years of the same thing) original mouse settings dialog with nice tabs and very nice text explaining what everything is and...and...and... THE POINT ====> It is nice and compact and easy to use. The Additional Problem The other problem is that because win10 doesn't even wrap up this original functionality you have to LEARN TWO UIs now. Imagine if you are new to computers and you are looking for mouse speed. Now you have to look through the nifty new UI and then eventually land on the old UI anyways. Total garbage!! I'm trying to be subtle but can you tell how I feel about it? :laugh: :laugh:
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MacSpudster wrote:
If a Forklift could lift forks, how many forks would a forklift lift?
:laugh: :laugh: I will consider my answer, do the math and get back to you with an answer ASAP. :)
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I use 'Classic Shell' which among other things changes the Start Menu to look just like Windows 7. You can find the Mouse Settings from the Control Panel menu.
Roland M Smith wrote:
I use 'Classic Shell'
Interesting. a third-party shell? Wow.
Roland M Smith wrote:
You can find the Mouse Settings from the Control Panel men
Hahaha, you've opened up another door for me to bring a rant! you cannot get to Control Panel from the Start Menu (right-click) any more. :mad: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0FWZ0.png[^] :laugh: Or, did you mean in ClassicShell?
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Forogar wrote:
The UI options are going down the tubes until the UX sux!
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Agree 100% and another great example of the failure of Win10 UI.
I blame the Steves of the world. Steve Jobs for coming up with the iPad and convincing the world that touch screens were the future. Then Steve Ballmer for going into a panic and thinking the world was going to abandon Windows in favor of tablets unless it went all touch-friendly and giving us Windows 8 as a response. Then they scaled it back with 10 seeing the failure that 8 was, but MS would never admit to making a mistake and abandon that step back of a UI. 7 is still the last usable version of Windows. It's no accident it's also the last version that predates touch UIs. Someone prove me wrong.
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Roland M Smith wrote:
I use 'Classic Shell'
Interesting. a third-party shell? Wow.
Roland M Smith wrote:
You can find the Mouse Settings from the Control Panel men
Hahaha, you've opened up another door for me to bring a rant! you cannot get to Control Panel from the Start Menu (right-click) any more. :mad: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0FWZ0.png[^] :laugh: Or, did you mean in ClassicShell?
raddevus wrote:
you cannot get to Control Panel from the Start Menu (right-click) any more
To me, the solution I eventually found for that makes things simpler than accessing it from the Start menu right-click in the first place: Pin the Control Panel applet right on the taskbar.
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Roland M Smith wrote:
I use 'Classic Shell'
Interesting. a third-party shell? Wow.
Roland M Smith wrote:
You can find the Mouse Settings from the Control Panel men
Hahaha, you've opened up another door for me to bring a rant! you cannot get to Control Panel from the Start Menu (right-click) any more. :mad: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0FWZ0.png[^] :laugh: Or, did you mean in ClassicShell?
Classic Shell[^] In Classic Shell with the Start Menu set to Windows 7 you get a Control Panel menu item with all the CP widgets below it.
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If the answer is gross, that's fine. I'll weight for the answer, none the less.
The best way to improve Windows is run it on a Mac. The best way to bring a Mac to its knees is to run Windows on it. ~ my brother Jeff
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I blame the Steves of the world. Steve Jobs for coming up with the iPad and convincing the world that touch screens were the future. Then Steve Ballmer for going into a panic and thinking the world was going to abandon Windows in favor of tablets unless it went all touch-friendly and giving us Windows 8 as a response. Then they scaled it back with 10 seeing the failure that 8 was, but MS would never admit to making a mistake and abandon that step back of a UI. 7 is still the last usable version of Windows. It's no accident it's also the last version that predates touch UIs. Someone prove me wrong.
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raddevus wrote:
you cannot get to Control Panel from the Start Menu (right-click) any more
To me, the solution I eventually found for that makes things simpler than accessing it from the Start menu right-click in the first place: Pin the Control Panel applet right on the taskbar.
