Win10 Strikes again: More Bad (new) UI/UX

[dandy72]

raddevus wrote:

you cannot get to Control Panel from the Start Menu (right-click) any more

To me, the solution I eventually found for that makes things simpler than accessing it from the Start menu right-click in the first place: Pin the Control Panel applet right on the taskbar.

[Roland M Smith]

Classic Shell[^] In Classic Shell with the Start Menu set to Windows 7 you get a Control Panel menu item with all the CP widgets below it.

[raddevus]

MacSpudster wrote:

If the answer is gross, that's fine. I'll weight for the answer, none the less.

Every night I lie awake dreaming of puns like that. :rolleyes:

[raddevus]

dandy72 wrote:

Steve Jobs

dandy72 wrote:

Steve Ballmer

Down with Steves!!

dandy72 wrote:

Someone prove me wrong.

No one can. :laugh:

[raddevus]

dandy72 wrote:

Pin the Control Panel applet right on the taskbar.

Good answer... ...but...WHINE ====> I already have so many other things pinned!!! :sigh: WHINE :laugh:

[Jorgen Andersson]

It's because they wanted a unified operating system for everything, so everything needs to work with your fingers. So allow me to introduce the Apple Pencil - Apple[^]

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

[raddevus]

Jörgen Andersson wrote:

So allow me to introduce the Apple Pencil - Apple[^]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I know. My son has an iPad that he uses for notes at college and it really works for him but when I saw that he had purchased a stylus I was like screaming, "Steve Jobs killed my stylus and now they're back?!?!!!!! No way!!!" Remember how Jobs ranted against the stylus saying no one wanted to use them. Arghghghgggg!!!!

[Lutoslaw]

*A friend or whoever comes to a visit* - Hey, what's a pass to WI-FI? - Give me a second, I will check in the settings... uhm, oh... uhuh.... aaah... Navigating new-old Win 10 UI reminds me this comic: xkcd: Troubleshooting[^]

[Daniel Pfeffer]

To the [Eric Conspiracy](http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/E/Eric-Conspiracy.html) we can now add the Steve Conspiracy... :laugh:

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

[Nathan Minier]

Users like you are why I have to jump through hoops to patch legacy apps rather than modernizing the codebase. Thanks :p

"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor

[raddevus]

Yep, that's a great xkcd to explain win10 User Experience. :thumbsup:

[raddevus]

Nathan Minier wrote:

rather than modernizing the codebase.

:) Really though I don't mind the modernizing if it is done properly. And I don't mind it if it is done completely so I am not stuck halfway in both worlds. As a matter of fact, I think everyone should shift away from Windows Forms. Those old controls just look too...uh...old. :)

[dandy72]

Get a 4K monitor. :-) I'm currently counting 19 items on the taskbar (excluding the Cortana and Task View icons), and it's not even using one third of the available width.

[dandy72]

Jacek Gajek wrote:

*A friend or whoever comes to a visit* - Hey, what's a pass to WI-FI? - Give me a second, I will check in the settings... uhm, oh... uhuh.... aaah...

I've solved that problem with a PowerShell script. Sorry about the formatting - it insists on pasting it that way.

$output = netsh wlan show profiles
$profiles = @()

foreach ( $line in $output )
{
$index = $line.LastIndexOf( ": " )
if ( $index -eq -1 ) { continue }
$afterColon = $line.Substring( $index + 2 )
if ( $afterColon.Trim() -ne "" ) { $profiles += $afterColon }
}

$profilesWithPasswords = @()
foreach ( $profile in $profiles | Sort-Object )
{
$output = netsh wlan show profiles "$profile" key=clear
$pwd = ""
$authentication = ""

foreach ( $line in $output )
{
    $index = $line.LastIndexOf( "Authentication" )
    if ( $index -ne -1 )
    {
        $index = $line.LastIndexOf( ": " )
        if ( $index -eq -1 ) { $authentication = "" }
        else { $authentication = $line.Substring( $index + 2 ) }
        continue
    }

    $index = $line.LastIndexOf( "Key Content" )
    if ( $index -ne -1 )
    {
        $index = $line.LastIndexOf( ": " )
        if ( $index -eq -1 ) { continue }

        $pwd = $line.Substring( $index + 2 ).Trim()
        continue
    }
}
if ( $pwd -eq "" )
{
    if ( $authentication -ne "Open" ) { $pwd = "" }
    #else { $pwd = "" }
}
$profilesWithPasswords += New-Object -TypeName PSObject -Prop ( @{ 'Profile'=$profile; 'Password'=$pwd } )

}
Write-Host "Found $($profilesWithPasswords.Count) wifi profiles:"
$profilesWithPasswords | Format-Table Profile, Password

[raddevus]

dandy72 wrote:

and it's not even using one third of the available width.

...width?? Oh, wait, you have the taskbar at the bottom (horizontal). That's old school. Mine's on the left side (vertical). It makes sense if you think about it since screens are so wide now. I've made a lot of converts to this new TaskBar Vertical Way. If you try it for a few minutes, you'll change too. :rolleyes: Now, I've planted the idea you can't not try it. :laugh: And, yes, at work I have two screens and it is on the left side of my right screen and it works great. It's right there in the middle of the desktop. :thumbsup: What can I say, I'm amazingly innovative. :-\ :laugh:

[dandy72]

Ok, so my 19 (+2) icons are taking roughly half the vertical space on the 4K monitor. FWIW, I've used vertical taskbars for a good while, years ago. I'm somewhat ambivalent; I can take it or leave it. One of my secondary monitors is arranged vertically (1200x1920)--even though it's great for long web pages or coding windows (which benefit from being taller than wide), a vertical taskbar is definitely a non-starter on *that* monitor, as you're already left with very little space horizontally. And I *hate* auto-collapsing taskbars, so I'm not even going there.

[Lutoslaw]

...seriously? Not saying that I know every XKCD comic, but I totally do... and that solution reminds another one: xkcd: Command Line Fu[^]

[dandy72]

Well, I don't know of any way, with the UI, to show *all* passwords for *all* Wi-Fi profiles that the system has *ever* connected to. So the script has other uses.

[S Douglas]

Had to kill them off so they could invent them! :laugh:

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Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.

[S Douglas]

A dialog\App off screen is the one that pisses me off. :mad: Even more so when the {win} + {Arrow} key combo don't work.

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Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.