Gab.com 'no-platformed', thoughts?
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In case you don't know, Gab.com had everything internet pulled out from under them for having the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter as one of their users. Article[^] Just wondering what the community here at CP thinks about this. Does Gab.com deserve this, do you think that they are the victim of circumstance, or is this this a coordinated attack against them**? What does this say about the freedom of the internet? Could any site or service be erased from the internet for providing alternative services? Discuss. ** Given the speed at which they disappeared from the web, I'm leaning toward attack.
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Foothill wrote:
Does Gab.com deserve this
No, they don't. If someone thinks they do, then so do Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. They also hosted posts from the anti-semitic shooter.
Foothill wrote:
coordinated attack against them
It certainly was. Because it's a site that caters to conservatives and believes in freedom of speech.
Foothill wrote:
freedom of the internet
That's gone, unless you go dark.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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In case you don't know, Gab.com had everything internet pulled out from under them for having the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter as one of their users. Article[^] Just wondering what the community here at CP thinks about this. Does Gab.com deserve this, do you think that they are the victim of circumstance, or is this this a coordinated attack against them**? What does this say about the freedom of the internet? Could any site or service be erased from the internet for providing alternative services? Discuss. ** Given the speed at which they disappeared from the web, I'm leaning toward attack.
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The issue going on right now with Gab.com is a temporary issue (not having and hosting company aka "not platformed"). However, Gab.com is a major blow to the leftist social media companies, who are going to fight Gab.com tooth and nail. Problem is, what hosting company will have the guts to host Gab.com and deal with the retaliatory threats by Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.?
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In case you don't know, Gab.com had everything internet pulled out from under them for having the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter as one of their users. Article[^] Just wondering what the community here at CP thinks about this. Does Gab.com deserve this, do you think that they are the victim of circumstance, or is this this a coordinated attack against them**? What does this say about the freedom of the internet? Could any site or service be erased from the internet for providing alternative services? Discuss. ** Given the speed at which they disappeared from the web, I'm leaning toward attack.
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Services like GoDaddy and PayPal are under no obligation to provide service to anyone and Gab has no first amendment right to compel them to provide service.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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Services like GoDaddy and PayPal are under no obligation to provide service to anyone and Gab has no first amendment right to compel them to provide service.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
Exactly. The majority of hosting companies are leftist companies and will NEVER host a company like Gab.com. So, Gab will have to find a company that will not be bullied by the left. That in itself, is almost impossible these days.
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Exactly. The majority of hosting companies are leftist companies and will NEVER host a company like Gab.com. So, Gab will have to find a company that will not be bullied by the left. That in itself, is almost impossible these days.
Slacker007 wrote:
The majority of hosting companies are leftist companies
Am I suppose to take that statement seriously? Because I don't.
Slacker007 wrote:
that will not be bullied by the left. That in itself, is almost impossible these days.
Am I suppose to take that statement seriously? Because I don't. You do realize it's Republicans who think we should not have Net Neutrality. The providers should be able to block or throttle content providers that they do no approve of, or that compete with them or don't pay what they demand.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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Slacker007 wrote:
The majority of hosting companies are leftist companies
Am I suppose to take that statement seriously? Because I don't.
Slacker007 wrote:
that will not be bullied by the left. That in itself, is almost impossible these days.
Am I suppose to take that statement seriously? Because I don't. You do realize it's Republicans who think we should not have Net Neutrality. The providers should be able to block or throttle content providers that they do no approve of, or that compete with them or don't pay what they demand.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
Then don't. :laugh: Who gives a shit what you take seriously or not.
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Then don't. :laugh: Who gives a shit what you take seriously or not.
Slacker007 wrote:
Then don't
I already said I don't. I clearly don't need your permission to recognize your nonsense.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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In case you don't know, Gab.com had everything internet pulled out from under them for having the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter as one of their users. Article[^] Just wondering what the community here at CP thinks about this. Does Gab.com deserve this, do you think that they are the victim of circumstance, or is this this a coordinated attack against them**? What does this say about the freedom of the internet? Could any site or service be erased from the internet for providing alternative services? Discuss. ** Given the speed at which they disappeared from the web, I'm leaning toward attack.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Then don't
I already said I don't. I clearly don't need your permission to recognize your nonsense.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
Majerus wrote:
I clearly don't need your permission to recognize your nonsense.
Shirley, you do. :laugh:
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Services like GoDaddy and PayPal are under no obligation to provide service to anyone and Gab has no first amendment right to compel them to provide service.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
While I completely agree that a company should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, what reasons would prompt several business to take out their DNS service and their hosting on the same day. Unless it is for unpaid bills and both billing cycles have very close due-dates, I can see no reason any company would throw away money and risk the PR hit. IMHO, it's a statement. Should Gab go after them just like the LBGTQ++ community went after the cake makers and florists for turning them away? Basically, forcing them to provide services against their will. In some states, they 'should' win. If they provide services in the public domain, they cannot discriminate against current and potential clients. What do you think?
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The left is so far corrupt it's amazing anyone still supports them. I guess some people just hate freedom. :sigh:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
If I had the kind of money necessary to build a data center (hosting), get ICANN certified (DNS provisioning), and get PCI Compliant certified (payment processing), it would be no stretch to offer a platform for competition but the folks in Silicon Valley certainly do like their walled gardens.
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Services like GoDaddy and PayPal are under no obligation to provide service to anyone and Gab has no first amendment right to compel them to provide service.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
Majerus wrote:
Services like GoDaddy and PayPal are under no obligation to provide service to anyone and Gab has no first amendment right to compel them to provide service.
Awesome! So you agree that cake makers and photographers and printers can refuse service to someone with whom they disagree! :thumbsup::thumbsup:
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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While I completely agree that a company should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, what reasons would prompt several business to take out their DNS service and their hosting on the same day. Unless it is for unpaid bills and both billing cycles have very close due-dates, I can see no reason any company would throw away money and risk the PR hit. IMHO, it's a statement. Should Gab go after them just like the LBGTQ++ community went after the cake makers and florists for turning them away? Basically, forcing them to provide services against their will. In some states, they 'should' win. If they provide services in the public domain, they cannot discriminate against current and potential clients. What do you think?
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Foothill wrote:
it's a statement.
I suspect it is a statement. They don't want to be associated with anti-Semitism. I don't really find that unreasonable.
Foothill wrote:
In some states, they 'should' win
I doubt it. While those denied service at the bakery and florists had state laws protecting them from discrimination, I am not aware of any law that provides protection for political beliefs.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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Majerus wrote:
Services like GoDaddy and PayPal are under no obligation to provide service to anyone and Gab has no first amendment right to compel them to provide service.
Awesome! So you agree that cake makers and photographers and printers can refuse service to someone with whom they disagree! :thumbsup::thumbsup:
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
So you agree that cake makers and photographers and printers can refuse service to someone with whom they disagree!
As far as I am aware, there are no laws that protect racists from discrimination, unlike the laws that protect gays.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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Foothill wrote:
it's a statement.
I suspect it is a statement. They don't want to be associated with anti-Semitism. I don't really find that unreasonable.
Foothill wrote:
In some states, they 'should' win
I doubt it. While those denied service at the bakery and florists had state laws protecting them from discrimination, I am not aware of any law that provides protection for political beliefs.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
Good points. Do you think that overt political discrimination will be come much more commonplace? There has been some discussion around the idea that the U.S. is currently experiencing a cold civil war.
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Good points. Do you think that overt political discrimination will be come much more commonplace? There has been some discussion around the idea that the U.S. is currently experiencing a cold civil war.
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Foothill wrote:
Do you think that overt political discrimination will be come much more commonplace?
I'd say it's already becoming commonplace. The numerous voter suppression law that have been springing up after the Supreme Court gutted the Civil Rights act are overt attempts to suppress political speech(voting).
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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Then don't. :laugh: Who gives a shit what you take seriously or not.
He's got a great point - who's trying to kill Net Neutrality? As that kicks in, the wealthiest will control reality. Think about how the Coke bros. basically rant the electoral systems by using their wealth to bully candidates into (1) submission, or (b) spending huge amounts on rivals. On the right, they condemn George Soros for using his money - and squint their eyes and look away if it's from the right. Is there really a difference? Sit back - not here - and re-analyze. the complaints about the power of the left are the same as those about the power of the right. They may accessorize differently, but when it comes down to it, they are much like a political toroid. If you back up far enough in one direction you end up finding your ass banging against someone equally fanatic on the "opposite" side. It can be cast in a thousand ways, one of which is "They" (and you can pick your "They", I can pick mine) want to make you live the way they think you should live. Vis-versa and all that.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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While I completely agree that a company should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, what reasons would prompt several business to take out their DNS service and their hosting on the same day. Unless it is for unpaid bills and both billing cycles have very close due-dates, I can see no reason any company would throw away money and risk the PR hit. IMHO, it's a statement. Should Gab go after them just like the LBGTQ++ community went after the cake makers and florists for turning them away? Basically, forcing them to provide services against their will. In some states, they 'should' win. If they provide services in the public domain, they cannot discriminate against current and potential clients. What do you think?
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Just a comment on the stores (cake makers). If they do business in public; with the public, and expect protection from public services (police, fire) and the use of public resources to support the operation of their business, then they have to accommodate all of those who contribute to making their public business possible. If they go private - well that's what privacy is all about. Advertise in churches and get all their business that way, for example. No store-front sales. No walk ins. We can't control how people feel about things; what's abhorrent and what is not. If, however, we let it invade the public domain, then we go down the crapper as a community pretty quickly. That's what I think.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
So you agree that cake makers and photographers and printers can refuse service to someone with whom they disagree!
As far as I am aware, there are no laws that protect racists from discrimination, unlike the laws that protect gays.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
Actually, when I lived in Chicago area for a while, there was a photo processing lab that would not print picture of what they felt were obscenities. This could be too skimpy a swim suit or a mother nursing her baby. I think they were called Skruklands, or something similar to that. The were "chrisitians" - who think G-d's blessing a woman with the ability to nurse her baby is obscene. What other dirty things did G-d do?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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In case you don't know, Gab.com had everything internet pulled out from under them for having the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter as one of their users. Article[^] Just wondering what the community here at CP thinks about this. Does Gab.com deserve this, do you think that they are the victim of circumstance, or is this this a coordinated attack against them**? What does this say about the freedom of the internet? Could any site or service be erased from the internet for providing alternative services? Discuss. ** Given the speed at which they disappeared from the web, I'm leaning toward attack.
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No long story. It's intensely difficult. The main part of free speech, by and large, is the right of someone to say what you don't want them to say. But how far can it go before the "free speech" escapes from being their right of expression to one of oppression. As soon as that starts, it is no longer free speech, but assault. But where is that line? If one encourages violence against another person/group/etc., that's got to be out of bounds. Free speech should not be a hiding place to send off others to do your dirty work. Gab.com is typical of far too many platforms in that they pretend that they're innocent and involved with preserving the public good and rights. One could see their point of view. But what did they do when the promotion of violence against others appeared on their site, and did so in a well organized manner. When they become a go-to place for it? Does that cross the line. Is their whining "we didn't do nuthin' " valid when they are the enablers? Then we go back to the earlier statement: free speech is the right of someone to say what you don't want to hear. You are, however, liable to the consequences your free speech causes as liberty is not bought so cheaply that you can hide behind it to excuse everything as your right
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010