VB & C++ Topic Ealier Got Me Thinking...
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VB6 is quite easy to interface with DLLs and Windows API, it has drawbacks (it is single thread for example) but all are easy to work around. Also it is harder to disassemble and that may be desirable. If you think that one of the biggest X-ray inspection machine producers has the controller part of the software in VB6 and its customers are the major multinational food companies...
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
The thing is don't blame the tool, blame the tool using the tool! We all must have come across the classic C/C++ spaghetti that works, who know how. Having a code or editor that enforces a given style is just asking for trouble later when people move away from it...
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Hi All, VB was (is?) seen as the quickest way to write Windows apps. I came to Windows from the embedded side, really reading data coming in via various ports and showing in Windows. VB6 was the quickest way as the company was run by a Micro-Sharft consultant. But there was Borland's C++ Builder and Delphi as well, BASIC was seen as the go to language for kids in my day I started with BBC Basic and C came with the Amiga... I was a little shocked to find BASIC being used in the wild...
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BASIC was seen as the go to language for kids in
VB.NETsimply isn't so. You know,VB.NETcoding is by far more similar toC#than toVB6.That's why I went for C# instead VB when I moved to .NET. I had many years as a C programmer.
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Hi All, VB was (is?) seen as the quickest way to write Windows apps. I came to Windows from the embedded side, really reading data coming in via various ports and showing in Windows. VB6 was the quickest way as the company was run by a Micro-Sharft consultant. But there was Borland's C++ Builder and Delphi as well, BASIC was seen as the go to language for kids in my day I started with BBC Basic and C came with the Amiga... I was a little shocked to find BASIC being used in the wild...
glennPattonWork wrote:
BASIC was seen as the go to language for kids in my day I started with BBC Basic and C came with the Amiga... I was a little shocked to find BASIC being used in the wild...
That's just ignorance I'm afraid. Before .net, VB6 was the only real solution for Enterprise apps, and there was nothing wrong with using it. Almost all enterprise solutions from houses that used an MS stack ran on VB6. The fact that "B" stands for "BASIC" and you think "BASIC is for kids" is simply your opinion, it isn't reality.
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VB6 is still quite used and maintained, to my horror. And yes, it's still the quickest way - VB6, it is. VB.NET has the same tools of C#, is more verbose and lacks a couple of features so it's really no longer useful, considering you can't directly port VB6 code onto .NET.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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VB6 is quite easy to interface with DLLs and Windows API, it has drawbacks (it is single thread for example) but all are easy to work around. Also it is harder to disassemble and that may be desirable. If you think that one of the biggest X-ray inspection machine producers has the controller part of the software in VB6 and its customers are the major multinational food companies...
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
den2k88 wrote:
VB6 ... is single thread for example
That's simply not true at all.
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den2k88 wrote:
VB6 ... is single thread for example
That's simply not true at all.
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glennPattonWork wrote:
BASIC was seen as the go to language for kids in my day I started with BBC Basic and C came with the Amiga... I was a little shocked to find BASIC being used in the wild...
That's just ignorance I'm afraid. Before .net, VB6 was the only real solution for Enterprise apps, and there was nothing wrong with using it. Almost all enterprise solutions from houses that used an MS stack ran on VB6. The fact that "B" stands for "BASIC" and you think "BASIC is for kids" is simply your opinion, it isn't reality.
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"BASIC is for kids" is simply your opinion, it isn't reality
It is neverthless, in my opinion too. And possibly in the ones of the language authors. The hint is in the acronym.
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Yeah, sorry, I've only worked on it for 6 years and a half each single day.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
When I started using VB it was VB4, then I used VB5 or the entirety of its life, then I used VB6 for its entirety before moving to .net 1.0. I'm not sure if your comment was some kind of attempt to "pull rank", but if it was I prefer to argue with facts rather than personal credentials :)
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When I started using VB it was VB4, then I used VB5 or the entirety of its life, then I used VB6 for its entirety before moving to .net 1.0. I'm not sure if your comment was some kind of attempt to "pull rank", but if it was I prefer to argue with facts rather than personal credentials :)
So you should know that VB6 is single thread. Each window, timer, event is processed sequentially.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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You're as equally entitled to your wrong opinion as the OP is :)
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So you should know that VB6 is single thread. Each window, timer, event is processed sequentially.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
VB6 doesn't have proper builtin support for multithreading, but that doesn't mean you can't. You can: FreeVBCode code snippet: A Thread to Visual Basic: Multi-Threading In VB5 and VB6[^] But as they say: Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I didn't mean to start a fight, BASIC is Beginners All purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, I heard all the way BASIC isn't used in the real world...
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I didn't mean to start a fight, BASIC is Beginners All purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, I heard all the way BASIC isn't used in the real world...
VisualBasic was very much used in the real world.
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So you should know that VB6 is single thread. Each window, timer, event is processed sequentially.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
I just created a WinForm app in .net, put a button with the click event taking 5 seconds to complete. When I click the button the GUI is non-responsive so I guess .net is single-threaded too.
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My comments are not opinion though, I've been involved in many complex, high-performance enterprise applications built on VB6.
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high-performance enterprise applications built on VB6
I agree that can be done (and top developers did). My comment applies to the (original) language name ('beginners' is there). Then one might discuss on the mass of mediocre developers attracted by
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high-performance enterprise applications built on VB6
I agree that can be done (and top developers did). My comment applies to the (original) language name ('beginners' is there). Then one might discuss on the mass of mediocre developers attracted by
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glennPattonWork wrote:
BASIC was seen as the go to language for kids in my day I started with BBC Basic and C came with the Amiga... I was a little shocked to find BASIC being used in the wild...
That's just ignorance I'm afraid. Before .net, VB6 was the only real solution for Enterprise apps, and there was nothing wrong with using it. Almost all enterprise solutions from houses that used an MS stack ran on VB6. The fact that "B" stands for "BASIC" and you think "BASIC is for kids" is simply your opinion, it isn't reality.
The B does not stand for BASIC, but for "BEGINNERS". With C++ and Delphi there were enough alternatives. VB6 was Access on steroids. VB.NET is born from that. --edit Who in their right mind would risc the existence of their enterprise by allowing VB-code?
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