Allons enfants de la patrie!
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If renewable fuels were a viable alternative then free market capitalism would have put them at the customers disposal. Instead they arent, so taxes are used to force people to change, and they dont like being screwed.
Mark Parity wrote:
you disagree with the need to decrease our reliance on fossil fuels
Of course I disagree. CO2 is good for the planet.
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Anti-Carbon-Tax Revolt Threatens To Paralyse France | Watts Up With That?[^] The French tell Macron where to stick his carbon tax.
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They're upset about a tax which is designed in part to reduce car usage. And they express this by blocking roads thereby reducing their ability to use their cars. How very French.
We did the same in the UK. It was effective.
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We did the same in the UK. It was effective.
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Yet the UK has a carbon tax. And from what I've read it has led to a significant reduction in use of coal for power. Well done you lot.
Calling me a liar? Fuel protests in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia[^]
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Was it? Petrol is still sky-high and when the costs of oil drop the price stays the same, but the second the cost of oil goes up the price of petrol does too. Almost everyone agrees we are being ripped off but no-one wants to do anything about it. When you charge people £100 to fill up their car and the only profit you make is from the Mars bar they buy at the same time then something is very wrong.
It had an immediate effect if you recall.
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We did the same in the UK. It was effective.
Was it? Petrol is still sky-high and when the costs of oil drop the price stays the same, but the second the cost of oil goes up the price of petrol does too. Almost everyone agrees we are being ripped off but no-one wants to do anything about it. When you charge people £100 to fill up their car and the only profit you make is from the Mars bar they buy at the same time then something is very wrong.
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Calling me a liar? Fuel protests in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia[^]
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Might have been sarcasm. :)
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Is some of the extra money raised via taxation being used to fund renewable energy to some extent though? (minus costs for fees and paying bribes etc. :laugh: ) If it is then its somewhat ok-ish, unless you disagree with the need to decrease our reliance on fossil fuels and switch over to more sustainable energy sources. That would be very shortsighted.
Mark Parity wrote:
the need to decrease our reliance on fossil fuels and switch over to more sustainable energy sources. That would be very shortsighted.
In the short run, fossil fuels are by far the most economical. That is why the market hasn't developed viable alternatives. (I don't consider "renewable energy" funded by massive subsidies to be viable.) In the medium term, fossil fuels will run out sometime. They will need to be replaced by something, but that is not necessarily wind power, tidal power, or Earth-bound solar power. Nuclear power has zero emissions, and there are viable methods of disposal (e.g. encasing in glass and then burying the glass cases in very deep mines). In the long term, the most likely form of power is solar power. Efficient collection of solar power requires technological advances (e.g. in space technology), but no major scientific advances. For example, if we set up solar collectors in space, we would have a constant supply of power that is not dependent on the weather. I leave the problem of transmitting the power to Earth as an exercise for the student. :)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Might have been sarcasm. :)
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Mark Parity wrote:
the need to decrease our reliance on fossil fuels and switch over to more sustainable energy sources. That would be very shortsighted.
In the short run, fossil fuels are by far the most economical. That is why the market hasn't developed viable alternatives. (I don't consider "renewable energy" funded by massive subsidies to be viable.) In the medium term, fossil fuels will run out sometime. They will need to be replaced by something, but that is not necessarily wind power, tidal power, or Earth-bound solar power. Nuclear power has zero emissions, and there are viable methods of disposal (e.g. encasing in glass and then burying the glass cases in very deep mines). In the long term, the most likely form of power is solar power. Efficient collection of solar power requires technological advances (e.g. in space technology), but no major scientific advances. For example, if we set up solar collectors in space, we would have a constant supply of power that is not dependent on the weather. I leave the problem of transmitting the power to Earth as an exercise for the student. :)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
I agree with most of your reply. I don't believe nuclear power is a viable option though, unless it can be made 100% safe (can it ever be 100% safe?), if it goes wrong the consequences are substantial as the world has already seen a couple of times. Solar has to be the way forward, its our solar system's safest most reliable nuclear power plant and its already up and running. :-)
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I agree with most of your reply. I don't believe nuclear power is a viable option though, unless it can be made 100% safe (can it ever be 100% safe?), if it goes wrong the consequences are substantial as the world has already seen a couple of times. Solar has to be the way forward, its our solar system's safest most reliable nuclear power plant and its already up and running. :-)
Ahem, <BeginSalesmanVoice> I give you the breeder reactor[^]. </EndSalesmandVoice> Edit** I know it's not perfect but it is still far better then those light water reactors that we built thousands of.
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It had an immediate effect if you recall.
Yeah, to p*** off an entire country and actually turn them against the protesters.
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Yeah, to p*** off an entire country and actually turn them against the protesters.
Gordon changed his fuel tax policy as I recall it.
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Anti-Carbon-Tax Revolt Threatens To Paralyse France | Watts Up With That?[^] The French tell Macron where to stick his carbon tax.
A couple of years ago the big miners in Oz mounted a major media scare campaign against a carbon tax, lobby groups, paid for pollies, funded academics the lot. They spent multi millions to get the tax scrapped. 2018 and the very same miners are calling for a carbon tax. I do wonder what has changed in the last couple of years to make it advantageous to the miners to have such a tax.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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A couple of years ago the big miners in Oz mounted a major media scare campaign against a carbon tax, lobby groups, paid for pollies, funded academics the lot. They spent multi millions to get the tax scrapped. 2018 and the very same miners are calling for a carbon tax. I do wonder what has changed in the last couple of years to make it advantageous to the miners to have such a tax.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
2018 and the very same miners are calling for a carbon tax. I do wonder what has changed in the last couple of years to make it advantageous to the miners to have such a tax.
Too many Prime Minister's in a row rolled too quickly. It was the miners and their campaign that started Kev down the slippery slope to begin with.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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If renewable fuels were a viable alternative then free market capitalism would have put them at the customers disposal. Instead they arent, so taxes are used to force people to change, and they dont like being screwed.
Mark Parity wrote:
you disagree with the need to decrease our reliance on fossil fuels
Of course I disagree. CO2 is good for the planet.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
If renewable fuels were a viable alternative then free market capitalism would have put them at the customers disposal. Instead they arent, so taxes are used to force people to change, and they dont like being screwed.
Come on, you know as well as I do that it's just one big conspiracy. As we all know engines that will run on water have been around since the 40's but the big end of town is keeping the man down so they can reap the fortunes from fossil fuels.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
2018 and the very same miners are calling for a carbon tax. I do wonder what has changed in the last couple of years to make it advantageous to the miners to have such a tax.
Too many Prime Minister's in a row rolled too quickly. It was the miners and their campaign that started Kev down the slippery slope to begin with.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
There is something despicable when an interest group, the miners, can roll the govt.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Anti-Carbon-Tax Revolt Threatens To Paralyse France | Watts Up With That?[^] The French tell Macron where to stick his carbon tax.
In the days prior to the evacuation of Dunkirk, newly minted Prime Minister Winston Churchill had English intelligence begin spreading rumours in France that Hitler would be raising gasoline taxes and removing farm subsidies. One week later the enraged French populace had defeated the entire German army and were marching on Berlin... :laugh: :laugh:
Socialism is the Axe Body Spray of political ideologies: It never does what it claims to do, but people too young to know better keep buying it anyway. (Glenn Reynolds)