Well, Now Open Source Coding is Ruined
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
F*ckin liberals ruin everything.
What does it have to do with liberals? Oh, you are just one of those who blame everything on liberals, true or not.
Very Large Brain wrote:
What does it have to do with liberals?
It has been my experience that the religious conservative right is usually against profanity, and not so much the liberals.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
F*ckin liberals ruin everything.
I can't find anything that doesn't suggests that Conservatives, not Liberals, have championed every effort in US history that was attempting to censor curse words from some media or public forum. Can you provide an example of Liberals doing that? Not to mention as well that it appears that Liberals are more likely to be the ones actually doing the swearing. Liberals swear more on Twitter than rightwingers, says study | Science | The Guardian[^]
Exactly. :thumbsup:
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Very Large Brain wrote:
What does it have to do with liberals?
It has been my experience that the religious conservative right is usually against profanity, and not so much the liberals.
Slacker007 wrote:
It has been my experience that the religious conservative right is usually against profanity
Profanity against its own religion. They don't care of profanity to other religions. There are numerous examples of that throughout human history, from every religion.
Slacker007 wrote:
and not so much the liberals.
Certainly not.
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From my own experience, in the UK, I used to be very much a liberal. However what seems to have happened is that people on the left have moved further left which has meant that those of us who don't move to the left are sometimes considered to be far-right. I wanted to check my own views so I took The Political Compass Test[^] and to my surprise it turns out that I am just right of the vertical centre line and a little below the horizontal centre line towards libertarian. I then took the test answering the questions in the manner that I imagine a friend of mine, who has views that are fairly popular in the prevailing political climate, would and interestingly enough it turned out that it resulted in a rather far left result. So I don't think the word liberal can be used very much nowadays because those of us who are liberal are seen as being far-right as more people have moved further to the left.
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Many people now make a distinction between "classical liberal" and "liberal" for just the reasons you highlight. I think Bill Maher does this too. He frequently calls out liberals for their lack of tolerance, whilst identifying himself as a classic liberal.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
F*ckin liberals
Why is it that 'liberals' are nowadays the most illiberal of people?
That's because liberal doesn't mean what a lot of people think it means.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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That's because liberal doesn't mean what a lot of people think it means.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Very Large Brain wrote:
What does it have to do with liberals?
It has been my experience that the religious conservative right is usually against profanity, and not so much the liberals.
Slacker007 wrote:
religious
I don't know that religion really has much to do with it. I grew up very religious. I was taught not to swear, but not because religion taught not to, but because swearing reflected your maturity level and ability to form a sentence.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Someone submitted a bug report for OpenJDK. Well it's not really a bug report - it's a complaint about profanity (they claim 12 instances) in the code comments. I don't personally put profanity in comments, but it's an open-source project, and since people a lot younger than me are contributors, I'm sure their sense of professionalism has not been as finely tuned as mine, and they're apt to let slip the occasional "f*ck" here and there. It's certainly not worthy of a bug report, nor a response from the maintainers. F*ckin liberals ruin everything. Despite what anyone might think, coders don't need to be protected from occasional profanity in code comments.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
coders don't need to be protected from occasional profanity in code comments.
I do. I am very sensitive. :-O But if it's open source, can't they edit out the comments themselves? Of course someone would figure it out and then go back and put even more in. Either way, sounds like a losing battle.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Someone submitted a bug report for OpenJDK. Well it's not really a bug report - it's a complaint about profanity (they claim 12 instances) in the code comments. I don't personally put profanity in comments, but it's an open-source project, and since people a lot younger than me are contributors, I'm sure their sense of professionalism has not been as finely tuned as mine, and they're apt to let slip the occasional "f*ck" here and there. It's certainly not worthy of a bug report, nor a response from the maintainers. F*ckin liberals ruin everything. Despite what anyone might think, coders don't need to be protected from occasional profanity in code comments.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Profanity is contingent on a religious foundation. It's an old-timey version of microaggressions and intersectional politics. If nothing is divine, nothing is profane.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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Slacker007 wrote:
religious
I don't know that religion really has much to do with it. I grew up very religious. I was taught not to swear, but not because religion taught not to, but because swearing reflected your maturity level and ability to form a sentence.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I was taught not to swear, but not because religion taught not to, but because swearing reflected your maturity level and ability to form a sentence.
This was my experience as well. My parents weren't atheists but were certainly not very religious. My father despised the Catholic Church for collecting tithes from poor people who could hardly feed themselves while the priests wore fine robes and the churches were full of gold plated icons and idols. As far as religion goes I was told to make up my own mind as to what I wanted to believe - so I chose to believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and a god (or gods) who interfered in the world occasionally (because otherwise certain things were just too much of a stretch for coincidence) and skipped the rest of the palaver. We did go to church (Church of England) occasionally at Xmas to hear the carol singing at the special services - but otherwise we didn't bother.
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Someone submitted a bug report for OpenJDK. Well it's not really a bug report - it's a complaint about profanity (they claim 12 instances) in the code comments. I don't personally put profanity in comments, but it's an open-source project, and since people a lot younger than me are contributors, I'm sure their sense of professionalism has not been as finely tuned as mine, and they're apt to let slip the occasional "f*ck" here and there. It's certainly not worthy of a bug report, nor a response from the maintainers. F*ckin liberals ruin everything. Despite what anyone might think, coders don't need to be protected from occasional profanity in code comments.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
F*ckin liberals ruin everything.
In reality, it the Republiscum religious right that are the thought police on everything obscene and dirty. Just check your history and censorship. Liberals fuck up different things with their agendas - but "dirty words" are not among those things. Glancing at a foxy babe in a hot outfit may now qualify as sexual assault - but at least she can wear the outfit!
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Profanity is contingent on a religious foundation. It's an old-timey version of microaggressions and intersectional politics. If nothing is divine, nothing is profane.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
Merde!
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Slacker007 wrote:
religious
I don't know that religion really has much to do with it. I grew up very religious. I was taught not to swear, but not because religion taught not to, but because swearing reflected your maturity level and ability to form a sentence.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
ZurdoDev wrote:
I was taught not to swear, but not because religion taught not to, but because swearing reflected your maturity level and ability to form a sentence.
Swear by it: why bad language is good for you | Emma Byrne | Life and style | The Guardian[^] Why Swearing Is Good for Your Health, Says Science | Reader's Digest[^] Science Says That People Who Curse a Lot Have Better Vocabularies Than Those Who Don't[^] I have a 600+ form VB6 project with lots of goto's for your parents; you're never too old to learn :thumbsup:
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ZurdoDev wrote:
I was taught not to swear, but not because religion taught not to, but because swearing reflected your maturity level and ability to form a sentence.
Swear by it: why bad language is good for you | Emma Byrne | Life and style | The Guardian[^] Why Swearing Is Good for Your Health, Says Science | Reader's Digest[^] Science Says That People Who Curse a Lot Have Better Vocabularies Than Those Who Don't[^] I have a 600+ form VB6 project with lots of goto's for your parents; you're never too old to learn :thumbsup:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Swear by it: why bad language is good for you | Emma Byrne | Life and style | The Guardian[^] Why Swearing Is Good for Your Health, Says Science | Reader's Digest[^] Science Says That People Who Curse a Lot Have Better Vocabularies Than Those Who Don't[^]
You found it on the internet, so it must be true. :laugh: If swearing makes you a healthier person, then you have bigger problems. :laugh:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Swear by it: why bad language is good for you | Emma Byrne | Life and style | The Guardian[^] Why Swearing Is Good for Your Health, Says Science | Reader's Digest[^] Science Says That People Who Curse a Lot Have Better Vocabularies Than Those Who Don't[^]
You found it on the internet, so it must be true. :laugh: If swearing makes you a healthier person, then you have bigger problems. :laugh:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
ZurdoDev wrote:
You found it on the internet, so it must be true. :laugh:
Thousands of articles, multiple research, all say it is healthy. Of course, your parents explained otherwise, and they are always right :rolleyes:
ZurdoDev wrote:
If swearing makes you a healthier person, then you have bigger problems. :laugh:
If you pretend not to, you're a hypocrit.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
You found it on the internet, so it must be true. :laugh:
Thousands of articles, multiple research, all say it is healthy. Of course, your parents explained otherwise, and they are always right :rolleyes:
ZurdoDev wrote:
If swearing makes you a healthier person, then you have bigger problems. :laugh:
If you pretend not to, you're a hypocrit.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
It's simple. Swearing relieves stress. But if you can't relieve stress without swearing then you have bigger problems. Simple.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If you pretend not to, you're a hypocrit.
How so?
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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It's simple. Swearing relieves stress. But if you can't relieve stress without swearing then you have bigger problems. Simple.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If you pretend not to, you're a hypocrit.
How so?
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
ZurdoDev wrote:
It's simple. Swearing relieves stress. But if you can't relieve stress without swearing then you have bigger problems. Simple.
No-one claimed it is the only way of relieving stress; also, someone who CAN curse will have less problems than someone who CANNOT, given all other things being equal.
ZurdoDev wrote:
How so?
Because it is human; you will still feel the same things, you're just conditioned not to express it.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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ZurdoDev wrote:
It's simple. Swearing relieves stress. But if you can't relieve stress without swearing then you have bigger problems. Simple.
No-one claimed it is the only way of relieving stress; also, someone who CAN curse will have less problems than someone who CANNOT, given all other things being equal.
ZurdoDev wrote:
How so?
Because it is human; you will still feel the same things, you're just conditioned not to express it.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
No-one claimed it is the only way of relieving stress;
I agree.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
someone who CAN curse will have less problems than someone who CANNOT
I see you are the one believing in fairy tales.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
you will still feel the same things, you're just conditioned not to express it.
Wrong. I can express it in other more educated ways. Let's make an analogy. Your argument is "hitting the wall when you are mad is healthy because it relieves stress and so therefore, if you don't hit the wall when stressed you are worse off than someone who does." Can you see now how ridiculous your argument is? If you want to swear go ahead and swear. But don't try to pretend it makes you better than people who use their brain when confronted with stress. It's primitive and caveman-ish. When you get a little older, I imagine you might see that.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Someone submitted a bug report for OpenJDK. Well it's not really a bug report - it's a complaint about profanity (they claim 12 instances) in the code comments. I don't personally put profanity in comments, but it's an open-source project, and since people a lot younger than me are contributors, I'm sure their sense of professionalism has not been as finely tuned as mine, and they're apt to let slip the occasional "f*ck" here and there. It's certainly not worthy of a bug report, nor a response from the maintainers. F*ckin liberals ruin everything. Despite what anyone might think, coders don't need to be protected from occasional profanity in code comments.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
coders don't need to be protected from occasional profanity in code comments
While I agree with that point, I can see the other point of view as well. Sure it's someone just being overly expressive, but imo it's unprofessional, unnecessary, and shouldn't be tolerated especially in an open-source project...especially if the goal is to attract future contributors. It's not about censorship but being professional. They can keep those whiny expletives to themselves. No, it's not worthy of a bug report, so why the f*ck don't the maintainers weed that sh*t out and everyone's happy? :laugh: :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
No-one claimed it is the only way of relieving stress;
I agree.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
someone who CAN curse will have less problems than someone who CANNOT
I see you are the one believing in fairy tales.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
you will still feel the same things, you're just conditioned not to express it.
Wrong. I can express it in other more educated ways. Let's make an analogy. Your argument is "hitting the wall when you are mad is healthy because it relieves stress and so therefore, if you don't hit the wall when stressed you are worse off than someone who does." Can you see now how ridiculous your argument is? If you want to swear go ahead and swear. But don't try to pretend it makes you better than people who use their brain when confronted with stress. It's primitive and caveman-ish. When you get a little older, I imagine you might see that.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
ZurdoDev wrote:
I see you are the one believing in fairy tales.
No, that was the outcome of the scientific research. Let me simplify so that even YOU can understand; if I can relieve stress by cursing AND by hitting my cat, I have more options than if I don't curse and hit my cat.
ZurdoDev wrote:
Let's make an analogy. Your argument is "hitting the wall when you are mad is healthy because it relieves stress and so therefore, if you don't hit the wall when stressed you are worse off than someone who does." Can you see now how ridiculous your argument is?
You are being rediculous; cursing is not the same as hitting things.
ZurdoDev wrote:
If you want to swear go ahead and swear.
Like I need permission :rolleyes:
ZurdoDev wrote:
But don't try to pretend it makes you better than people who use their brain when confronted with stress.
Never claimed to be "better".
ZurdoDev wrote:
It's primitive and caveman-ish. When you get a little older, I imagine you might see that.
So now you're claiming that I'm feeling superiour to you, because you cannot accept that your parents lied? :)
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