More Win10 UI Fails
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Apps & Features is of course how you view the apps that are installed on your Win10 machine. It's another terrible UI fail by Win10. It is actually the REDUCTION of FEATURES. (Yes, I'm yelling! :) ) You can see the problem on this snapshot -- you can't see the entire text of each item without actually clicking on each item: :sigh: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0ctis.png[^] (Note: I purposefully made the window larger to see if the apps/features data would expand and it doesn't) Much Easier In the Past However in past you can see the entire text simply by moving the column splitter. https://i.stack.imgur.com/E7N1H.png[^] More Details Easier Of course, you can also see far more details much easier (version, install date, etc). Minimalization? Why not just remove the ability to see Apps & Features stuff at all? That'd be really clean UI, right? X|
If you have more than one version of ssms, you know the pains of having to guess which one to click on. At least they made the icon for 2017 different, so that one's not a problem. On my system, I have 2008, 2014, 2016, and 2017. The first 3 all look the same in metro ui and programs list.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If it didn't look different, people would not buy it. The discussion is as old as Office
Those are two very good points. But then : 1. who buys it? I got it free... didn't we all? 2. I'm older than Office. :laugh:
raddevus wrote:
1. who buys it? I got it free... didn't we all?
The succes of Windows and Office are to blame on software-piracy. That's what got it that market-share.
raddevus wrote:
2. I'm older than Office.
So, you read the discussions on the new buttons that Office 95 introduced, the discussion on the new UI of Office 97, the discussion on how great the new menu-bar is for productivity. The "consistency" thing that was so touted to save money has long been abandoned by marketing.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I can't fathom the concept of people buying it because it looks different. I think they might have more sales if they provided the option to look like it used on W7 and XP. Their GUIs have been steadily getting worse since then. I have not talked to anyone who prefers the appearance of W10 to any older ones. For me personally, there is not a single compelling reason for me to use W10. Not a single one. That is, other than in some cases I have no other options. If I did I certainly would not be using it. Thankfully, my development boxes at work still use W7 and I have zero interest in moving any of them from it. We do not install ANY new systems using W10 and that is going to continue for the foreseeable future.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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I can't fathom the concept of people buying it because it looks different. I think they might have more sales if they provided the option to look like it used on W7 and XP. Their GUIs have been steadily getting worse since then. I have not talked to anyone who prefers the appearance of W10 to any older ones. For me personally, there is not a single compelling reason for me to use W10. Not a single one. That is, other than in some cases I have no other options. If I did I certainly would not be using it. Thankfully, my development boxes at work still use W7 and I have zero interest in moving any of them from it. We do not install ANY new systems using W10 and that is going to continue for the foreseeable future.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
Rick York wrote:
I can't fathom the concept of people buying it because it looks different.
I can't fathom managment either, but that's how it works.
Rick York wrote:
I think they might have more sales if they provided the option to look like it used on W7 and XP.
If people do not see changes, they're not there.
Rick York wrote:
We do not install ANY new systems using W10 and that is going to continue for the foreseeable future.
Unless you are moving to Linux, that is a really bad idea :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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raddevus wrote:
1. who buys it? I got it free... didn't we all?
The succes of Windows and Office are to blame on software-piracy. That's what got it that market-share.
raddevus wrote:
2. I'm older than Office.
So, you read the discussions on the new buttons that Office 95 introduced, the discussion on the new UI of Office 97, the discussion on how great the new menu-bar is for productivity. The "consistency" thing that was so touted to save money has long been abandoned by marketing.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The succes of Windows and Office are to blame on software-piracy.
I meant free licensed upgrade.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
you read the discussions on the new buttons that Office 95
I've read everything from all times that has ever been published anywhere. I told you, I'm old. :laugh:
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I can't fathom the concept of people buying it because it looks different. I think they might have more sales if they provided the option to look like it used on W7 and XP. Their GUIs have been steadily getting worse since then. I have not talked to anyone who prefers the appearance of W10 to any older ones. For me personally, there is not a single compelling reason for me to use W10. Not a single one. That is, other than in some cases I have no other options. If I did I certainly would not be using it. Thankfully, my development boxes at work still use W7 and I have zero interest in moving any of them from it. We do not install ANY new systems using W10 and that is going to continue for the foreseeable future.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
Rick York wrote:
I think they might have more sales if they provided the option to look like it used on W7 and XP. Their GUIs have been steadily getting worse since then.
100% agree!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Rick York wrote:
not a single compelling reason for me to use W10. Not a single one. That is, other than in some cases I have no other options.
That is your compelling reason and it is all of our compelling reasons. :sigh: EDIT I say this because I'm a WinDev. However, as I move more toward mobile Android and iOS Native dev (not Xamarin) I see that if I moved entirely over I could move to a Linux desktop (Squee!!! This is the year of the Linux Desktop!!!) :laugh:
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If you have more than one version of ssms, you know the pains of having to guess which one to click on. At least they made the icon for 2017 different, so that one's not a problem. On my system, I have 2008, 2014, 2016, and 2017. The first 3 all look the same in metro ui and programs list.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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raddevus wrote:
1. who buys it? I got it free... didn't we all?
The succes of Windows and Office are to blame on software-piracy. That's what got it that market-share.
raddevus wrote:
2. I'm older than Office.
So, you read the discussions on the new buttons that Office 95 introduced, the discussion on the new UI of Office 97, the discussion on how great the new menu-bar is for productivity. The "consistency" thing that was so touted to save money has long been abandoned by marketing.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Software piracy is a different animal.
Most of the "I got mine free" is due to the package being pre-installed when the machine is purchased. Many companies order their Win 10 machines with Office pre-installed by the vendor at the request of the purchaser.
__________________ Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now. © 2009, Rex Hammock
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Software piracy is a different animal.
Most of the "I got mine free" is due to the package being pre-installed when the machine is purchased. Many companies order their Win 10 machines with Office pre-installed by the vendor at the request of the purchaser.
__________________ Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now. © 2009, Rex Hammock
Jalapeno Bob wrote:
Most of the "I got mine free" is due to the package being pre-installed when the machine is purchased. Many companies order their Win 10 machines with Office pre-installed by the vendor at the request of the purchaser.
Most of the companies I worked for used pirated installations for Win95 and ME. Without piracy, MS would not have been a success.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Apps & Features is of course how you view the apps that are installed on your Win10 machine. It's another terrible UI fail by Win10. It is actually the REDUCTION of FEATURES. (Yes, I'm yelling! :) ) You can see the problem on this snapshot -- you can't see the entire text of each item without actually clicking on each item: :sigh: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0ctis.png[^] (Note: I purposefully made the window larger to see if the apps/features data would expand and it doesn't) Much Easier In the Past However in past you can see the entire text simply by moving the column splitter. https://i.stack.imgur.com/E7N1H.png[^] More Details Easier Of course, you can also see far more details much easier (version, install date, etc). Minimalization? Why not just remove the ability to see Apps & Features stuff at all? That'd be really clean UI, right? X|
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Rick York wrote:
I can't fathom the concept of people buying it because it looks different.
I can't fathom managment either, but that's how it works.
Rick York wrote:
I think they might have more sales if they provided the option to look like it used on W7 and XP.
If people do not see changes, they're not there.
Rick York wrote:
We do not install ANY new systems using W10 and that is going to continue for the foreseeable future.
Unless you are moving to Linux, that is a really bad idea :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Unless you are moving to Linux, that is a really bad idea :)
Not for us. Moving to W10 would be an even worse idea and that is why we have not and will not any time soon. Our machines don't see any public networks so security is not a major concern. We can't even access the internet with them and that's just as well.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Apps & Features is of course how you view the apps that are installed on your Win10 machine. It's another terrible UI fail by Win10. It is actually the REDUCTION of FEATURES. (Yes, I'm yelling! :) ) You can see the problem on this snapshot -- you can't see the entire text of each item without actually clicking on each item: :sigh: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0ctis.png[^] (Note: I purposefully made the window larger to see if the apps/features data would expand and it doesn't) Much Easier In the Past However in past you can see the entire text simply by moving the column splitter. https://i.stack.imgur.com/E7N1H.png[^] More Details Easier Of course, you can also see far more details much easier (version, install date, etc). Minimalization? Why not just remove the ability to see Apps & Features stuff at all? That'd be really clean UI, right? X|
Still an issue in 1809. But at least you can search the list now. :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Unless you are moving to Linux, that is a really bad idea :)
Not for us. Moving to W10 would be an even worse idea and that is why we have not and will not any time soon. Our machines don't see any public networks so security is not a major concern. We can't even access the internet with them and that's just as well.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Apps & Features is of course how you view the apps that are installed on your Win10 machine. It's another terrible UI fail by Win10. It is actually the REDUCTION of FEATURES. (Yes, I'm yelling! :) ) You can see the problem on this snapshot -- you can't see the entire text of each item without actually clicking on each item: :sigh: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0ctis.png[^] (Note: I purposefully made the window larger to see if the apps/features data would expand and it doesn't) Much Easier In the Past However in past you can see the entire text simply by moving the column splitter. https://i.stack.imgur.com/E7N1H.png[^] More Details Easier Of course, you can also see far more details much easier (version, install date, etc). Minimalization? Why not just remove the ability to see Apps & Features stuff at all? That'd be really clean UI, right? X|
You're doing it wrong. You're using the settings app which sucks. In the search box by the start button type control. This will launch control panel If you only see a few icons, in the upper right of control panel, click view by: Large icons. There, now go to Programs and Features and enjoy the good old "Add remove programs" of yesteryear when things were better. You're welcome.
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You're doing it wrong. You're using the settings app which sucks. In the search box by the start button type control. This will launch control panel If you only see a few icons, in the upper right of control panel, click view by: Large icons. There, now go to Programs and Features and enjoy the good old "Add remove programs" of yesteryear when things were better. You're welcome.
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I can't fathom the concept of people buying it because it looks different. I think they might have more sales if they provided the option to look like it used on W7 and XP. Their GUIs have been steadily getting worse since then. I have not talked to anyone who prefers the appearance of W10 to any older ones. For me personally, there is not a single compelling reason for me to use W10. Not a single one. That is, other than in some cases I have no other options. If I did I certainly would not be using it. Thankfully, my development boxes at work still use W7 and I have zero interest in moving any of them from it. We do not install ANY new systems using W10 and that is going to continue for the foreseeable future.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
Rick York wrote:
I think they might have more sales if they provided the option to look like it used on W7 and XP.
The option to make it look like NT 2000 was what made me finally upgrade to XP (I don't know about anyone else, but things like rounded corners and transparency don't do a thing for me -- in fact, they put me off). Vista had the same option. On first boot of a new Vista machine, it offered: "Do you want all the WOW! cr@p, or do you want a computer?" (I think that that was the exact wording). Without the WOW! cr@p (and with "Classic" mode giving it the NT 2000 GUI), it was a damned good machine, and a very stable OS. But now, the company is run by marketing morons*, and designers who dream of being as good as apple's designers -- and such incredible geniuses obviously know better than users what is best for users, don't they? * A title they've earned over and over again.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Windows 10 UX gets much better with inexpensive enhancements from Stardock (Start10, Fences, Groupy...) and DeskSoft Window Manager... highly recommended.
netizenk wrote:
Windows 10 UX gets much better with inexpensive enhancements from Stardock (Start10, Fences, Groupy...) and DeskSoft Window Manager
Glad to hear that M$ has created another industry so other devs can get rich too. :| I guess I should start cranking out the Win10 enhancement plugins. :rolleyes:
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You're doing it wrong. You're using the settings app which sucks. In the search box by the start button type control. This will launch control panel If you only see a few icons, in the upper right of control panel, click view by: Large icons. There, now go to Programs and Features and enjoy the good old "Add remove programs" of yesteryear when things were better. You're welcome.
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Still an issue in 1809. But at least you can search the list now. :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
I'm sorry -- Are you from the past?!
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Apps & Features is of course how you view the apps that are installed on your Win10 machine. It's another terrible UI fail by Win10. It is actually the REDUCTION of FEATURES. (Yes, I'm yelling! :) ) You can see the problem on this snapshot -- you can't see the entire text of each item without actually clicking on each item: :sigh: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0ctis.png[^] (Note: I purposefully made the window larger to see if the apps/features data would expand and it doesn't) Much Easier In the Past However in past you can see the entire text simply by moving the column splitter. https://i.stack.imgur.com/E7N1H.png[^] More Details Easier Of course, you can also see far more details much easier (version, install date, etc). Minimalization? Why not just remove the ability to see Apps & Features stuff at all? That'd be really clean UI, right? X|
