More Win10 UI Fails
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Apps & Features is of course how you view the apps that are installed on your Win10 machine. It's another terrible UI fail by Win10. It is actually the REDUCTION of FEATURES. (Yes, I'm yelling! :) ) You can see the problem on this snapshot -- you can't see the entire text of each item without actually clicking on each item: :sigh: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0ctis.png[^] (Note: I purposefully made the window larger to see if the apps/features data would expand and it doesn't) Much Easier In the Past However in past you can see the entire text simply by moving the column splitter. https://i.stack.imgur.com/E7N1H.png[^] More Details Easier Of course, you can also see far more details much easier (version, install date, etc). Minimalization? Why not just remove the ability to see Apps & Features stuff at all? That'd be really clean UI, right? X|
For the full name, hover the mouse over the item and get a tool-tip type popup.
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Yeah, Metro UI sucks donkey spheres. The whole "Settings" app is clumsier, harder to use, and less friendly than "Control Panel" was - and it misses out many features. It probably works on a phone. Sort of. If you were one of the ten people worldwide who bought a Windows Phone, that is.
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Apps & Features is of course how you view the apps that are installed on your Win10 machine. It's another terrible UI fail by Win10. It is actually the REDUCTION of FEATURES. (Yes, I'm yelling! :) ) You can see the problem on this snapshot -- you can't see the entire text of each item without actually clicking on each item: :sigh: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0ctis.png[^] (Note: I purposefully made the window larger to see if the apps/features data would expand and it doesn't) Much Easier In the Past However in past you can see the entire text simply by moving the column splitter. https://i.stack.imgur.com/E7N1H.png[^] More Details Easier Of course, you can also see far more details much easier (version, install date, etc). Minimalization? Why not just remove the ability to see Apps & Features stuff at all? That'd be really clean UI, right? X|
The Windows 8 and above UI (and the update idiocy) got me to start dual booting with linux. I mainly only use Windows 10 for gaming and the occasional Photoshop session now. All my normal computing needs are now handled in Devuan Linux. All told, I have way fewer issues maintaining my Linux partition then my Windows 10 partition.
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Noticed recently my hidden notifications menu, when i show it, is broken. I assuming due to 4k monitor, with ui enlarge scaling on. Was looking for if Steam open, only showed 6 icons. assumed just 6 hidden. Nope, the panel is hidden behind the task bar.
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For the full name, hover the mouse over the item and get a tool-tip type popup.
StChasFrank wrote:
For the full name, hover the mouse over the item
Hover! I ain't got no time for hover!!! :mad: Just kidding. Thanks for the input and that is a good tip. However, hovering is a bad solution because it is BORING waiting on the tooltip. :rolleyes:
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The Windows 8 and above UI (and the update idiocy) got me to start dual booting with linux. I mainly only use Windows 10 for gaming and the occasional Photoshop session now. All my normal computing needs are now handled in Devuan Linux. All told, I have way fewer issues maintaining my Linux partition then my Windows 10 partition.
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Very cool you've made the switch. If I can find a Linux with a small footprint I may soon do the same. want to try Android Studio and development on Linux.
sasadler wrote:
Devuan Linux
Hadn't heard of that distro. I will check it out. Thanks
Devuan is basically Debian without System D. I've actually only had one problem so far (couple years in now). One of the recent updates of Thunderbird wasn't working correctly. There was an issue with AppArmor so just disabling AppArmor for Thunderbird fixed it.
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Devuan is basically Debian without System D. I've actually only had one problem so far (couple years in now). One of the recent updates of Thunderbird wasn't working correctly. There was an issue with AppArmor so just disabling AppArmor for Thunderbird fixed it.
sasadler wrote:
Devuan is basically Debian without System D.
:thumbsup: Interesting. and, my favorite distro is Debian. I use the Raspbian on RPi and have a container running at DigitalOcean.com that is a Debian instance.
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You're doing it wrong. You're using the settings app which sucks. In the search box by the start button type control. This will launch control panel If you only see a few icons, in the upper right of control panel, click view by: Large icons. There, now go to Programs and Features and enjoy the good old "Add remove programs" of yesteryear when things were better. You're welcome.
When your UI is so bad that searching for what you want is a better way to access it than through your UI... I mean.. That's pretty bad. ---------------------- I used to be able to see what my IP address was pre-win10 in an annoying number of clicks -- right-click wifi, network connections, right-click again properties... whatever it was... Details... and... there we go! my LAN address. Nowadays in win10? Forget about it. On the other hand, in cmd.exe...
ipconfig
Microsoft is helping us be better computer users by making the command-line a more attractive UI option!
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Apps & Features is of course how you view the apps that are installed on your Win10 machine. It's another terrible UI fail by Win10. It is actually the REDUCTION of FEATURES. (Yes, I'm yelling! :) ) You can see the problem on this snapshot -- you can't see the entire text of each item without actually clicking on each item: :sigh: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0ctis.png[^] (Note: I purposefully made the window larger to see if the apps/features data would expand and it doesn't) Much Easier In the Past However in past you can see the entire text simply by moving the column splitter. https://i.stack.imgur.com/E7N1H.png[^] More Details Easier Of course, you can also see far more details much easier (version, install date, etc). Minimalization? Why not just remove the ability to see Apps & Features stuff at all? That'd be really clean UI, right? X|
The "Settings" was terribad from the start, and it has never become good. The way they group things often doesn't make any sense, and I ended up using the search bar most of the time. While in Control Panel I can easily find the icon that I want.
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Yeah, Metro UI sucks donkey spheres. The whole "Settings" app is clumsier, harder to use, and less friendly than "Control Panel" was - and it misses out many features. It probably works on a phone. Sort of. If you were one of the ten people worldwide who bought a Windows Phone, that is.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
OriginalGriff wrote:
The whole "Settings" app is clumsier, harder to use, and less friendly than "Control Panel" was - and it misses out many features.
Indeed. I deliberately put links to the old Control Panel in various places because it offers a lot more settings in one place. And for the settings that are available in the App, it's intuitively easier to find where it is in Control Panel. Besides I hate the insistance to get rid of the real world button analogy. It was intuitive and worked well. The new, flat buttons that often don't even have a discernible border are hard to recognize as such, and keep you guessing where are the functional elements in a dialog. It was a huge mistake to drop the beveled button concept without an easy to recognize and use replacement.
OriginalGriff wrote:
It probably works on a phone.
The core concept of Metro was the unified UI that would work on hand-held, touch-enabled devices as well as desktops. It's obvious that such a concept could never reach the intuitivity and user-friendlyness of the existing UI frameworks in either world. MS tried and horribly failed with Windows 8. They should have learned that lesson and drop it alltogether.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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OriginalGriff wrote:
The whole "Settings" app is clumsier, harder to use, and less friendly than "Control Panel" was - and it misses out many features.
Indeed. I deliberately put links to the old Control Panel in various places because it offers a lot more settings in one place. And for the settings that are available in the App, it's intuitively easier to find where it is in Control Panel. Besides I hate the insistance to get rid of the real world button analogy. It was intuitive and worked well. The new, flat buttons that often don't even have a discernible border are hard to recognize as such, and keep you guessing where are the functional elements in a dialog. It was a huge mistake to drop the beveled button concept without an easy to recognize and use replacement.
OriginalGriff wrote:
It probably works on a phone.
The core concept of Metro was the unified UI that would work on hand-held, touch-enabled devices as well as desktops. It's obvious that such a concept could never reach the intuitivity and user-friendlyness of the existing UI frameworks in either world. MS tried and horribly failed with Windows 8. They should have learned that lesson and drop it alltogether.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
And it's not a lot of fun on a touch device either: the WookieTab is touch, and even with a nice 12" display, Settings is harder to use than Control Panel. The worst bit? No "Apply" or "OK" buttons - you touch, it's immediate; no chance to go "no, wrong checkbox".
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Rick York wrote:
I think they might have more sales if they provided the option to look like it used on W7 and XP. Their GUIs have been steadily getting worse since then.
100% agree!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Rick York wrote:
not a single compelling reason for me to use W10. Not a single one. That is, other than in some cases I have no other options.
That is your compelling reason and it is all of our compelling reasons. :sigh: EDIT I say this because I'm a WinDev. However, as I move more toward mobile Android and iOS Native dev (not Xamarin) I see that if I moved entirely over I could move to a Linux desktop (Squee!!! This is the year of the Linux Desktop!!!) :laugh:
raddevus wrote:
I say this because I'm a WinDev. However, as I move more toward mobile Android and iOS Native dev (not Xamarin) I see that if I moved entirely over I could move to a Linux desktop
Over the years I have more than once asked myself if I should move to Linux rather than bearing MicroSoft moving my cheese over and over again. But always I decided that ultimately it wasn't worth the effort. Since Windows 8 I'm closer to making that decision than ever. I am still using Windows 7 for as long as I can on as many machines as I can. But if I'm forced to move away from W7, it's more than likely that I will not move to any Windows version any more.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Apps & Features is of course how you view the apps that are installed on your Win10 machine. It's another terrible UI fail by Win10. It is actually the REDUCTION of FEATURES. (Yes, I'm yelling! :) ) You can see the problem on this snapshot -- you can't see the entire text of each item without actually clicking on each item: :sigh: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0ctis.png[^] (Note: I purposefully made the window larger to see if the apps/features data would expand and it doesn't) Much Easier In the Past However in past you can see the entire text simply by moving the column splitter. https://i.stack.imgur.com/E7N1H.png[^] More Details Easier Of course, you can also see far more details much easier (version, install date, etc). Minimalization? Why not just remove the ability to see Apps & Features stuff at all? That'd be really clean UI, right? X|
1. It seems you don't use latest Windows 10 Version - so maybe upgrade? The Apps & Features and a lot of other Settings got better… so it seems they listen at least.. 2. There is a Tooltip now to see the complete Name - not as good as the columns, but at least no click…
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The "Settings" was terribad from the start, and it has never become good. The way they group things often doesn't make any sense, and I ended up using the search bar most of the time. While in Control Panel I can easily find the icon that I want.
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1. It seems you don't use latest Windows 10 Version - so maybe upgrade? The Apps & Features and a lot of other Settings got better… so it seems they listen at least.. 2. There is a Tooltip now to see the complete Name - not as good as the columns, but at least no click…
johannesnestler wrote:
It seems you don't use latest Windows 10 Version - so maybe upgrade?
Yeah, that is probably correct, because it is at work and the infrastructure team leaves us a version or two behind in order to insure that upgrades don't hurt us. I did see the tooltip, but you have to hover and wait which is not optimal. Thanks for the input.
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When your UI is so bad that searching for what you want is a better way to access it than through your UI... I mean.. That's pretty bad. ---------------------- I used to be able to see what my IP address was pre-win10 in an annoying number of clicks -- right-click wifi, network connections, right-click again properties... whatever it was... Details... and... there we go! my LAN address. Nowadays in win10? Forget about it. On the other hand, in cmd.exe...
ipconfig
Microsoft is helping us be better computer users by making the command-line a more attractive UI option!
I suspect they pushed Windows search after they realized that for some unknown reason the Metro devs threw discoverability out of the Windows(TM).
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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For the full name, hover the mouse over the item and get a tool-tip type popup.
I've found taht the tool tip window is limited size, too. Some of the tool tips I've seen are clipped, and to date I have not found any way to access that information that is clipped off in the tool tip window :sigh:
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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When your UI is so bad that searching for what you want is a better way to access it than through your UI... I mean.. That's pretty bad. ---------------------- I used to be able to see what my IP address was pre-win10 in an annoying number of clicks -- right-click wifi, network connections, right-click again properties... whatever it was... Details... and... there we go! my LAN address. Nowadays in win10? Forget about it. On the other hand, in cmd.exe...
ipconfig
Microsoft is helping us be better computer users by making the command-line a more attractive UI option!
I can find my IP address on Win 10 (1809) as follows: Click on the wireless icon in the tray Click on the Properties link for the current network Scroll down to the bottom; there's a section labeled Properties where I can see my IP address. (two clicks and a scroll) Or, I can open Control Panel, search for Network, click on View network connections, right-click on the connection and choose Status, then click on Details. (after opening Control Panel, typing and three clicks) But at the end of the day, ipconfig is still fastest.
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Rick York wrote:
I think they might have more sales if they provided the option to look like it used on W7 and XP.
The option to make it look like NT 2000 was what made me finally upgrade to XP (I don't know about anyone else, but things like rounded corners and transparency don't do a thing for me -- in fact, they put me off). Vista had the same option. On first boot of a new Vista machine, it offered: "Do you want all the WOW! cr@p, or do you want a computer?" (I think that that was the exact wording). Without the WOW! cr@p (and with "Classic" mode giving it the NT 2000 GUI), it was a damned good machine, and a very stable OS. But now, the company is run by marketing morons*, and designers who dream of being as good as apple's designers -- and such incredible geniuses obviously know better than users what is best for users, don't they? * A title they've earned over and over again.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
And for years the marketing morons' guiding principles for UI design as been to hide or remove access to all the detailed information I need.
