Old age shows its mark...
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
Old FORTRAN habits die hard ... I do the same, but at least I have to declare them these days. Old FORTRAN programmers never die, they RETURN to caller
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Old FORTRAN habits die hard ... I do the same, but at least I have to declare them these days. Old FORTRAN programmers never die, they RETURN to caller
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
True, true. But at least it is faster than typing 'rowndx' or (Deity forbid!) 'elementIndex'
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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stoneyowl2 wrote:
Who cares?
The next guy to look at the code after you. And that includes you in 2 weeks. :-D
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If the next guy (or me) can't figure out what the 'i', or 'j' or 'k' is used for, then the need to get a different job (or take a FORTRAN course!).
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
I have never touched Fortran or Cobol and I use the same conventions, I have no idea where I picked it up from as I learnt to code on a commodore 64 and then from a SuperBase manual.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
Are you telling that there is an other way to do loops? (To be honest I never did FORTRAN, but the i,j,k variable names came down to me via C while learning)
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
Consistency is a blessing. :thumbsup: I have my own names for common things that go back almost 20 years...they are in finger memory and great for copy/pasting. You could reasonably argue that the names a programmer uses for common items become a fingerprint of sorts. I get the Fortran background of 'i','j', and 'k' but have always disliked single character variable names since we're now (since the '80s) allowed to be a bit more descriptive...so I use a lot of 2 letter names instead! :laugh: Like you said though, whatever works! :) BTW, where UI items are concerned, it irritates me to see developers who are content with Textbox1, Textbox2, etc. X|
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
I also used i,j,k for indices, why does it bother you? Although someone ask me, once, to use more descriptive name, so I indulged him and refactor my indice to "variableIndiceForArrayIndexFrom0ToListCount" which, granted, is much more descriptive and easy to read! :laugh:
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
well another memory muscle reason for many... before FORTRAN many learned BASIC (back in the day when a school would have 2 or 3 TRS-80 or similar computers, the first version (Model I with 4k RAM) only had single char variables A..Z. Later the Model II (with the massive 16k) allowed 2 letters AA..ZZ. anyhoo it was actually in the Programming Guide (probably inspired from FORTRAN) that suggested I, J, K, L... for "general" integers (in particular FOR loops), (also ref: I for iterator) S, T, U for general strings. "Important" variables used A, B, C (effectively the global variables) suggested sticking to single letters for compatibility with Model I. Some versions of FORTRAN also had that 2 letter limit. "That way you could better determine what any variable was for/about." mock it if you will, but given the naming limitations of the time at least some were already invested enough to come up with some common coding styles. - Nowadays i, j as iterators/offsets even makes appearances in mathematics, - when you see "for (i = 0; ..." you already know the intent (unless you or the programmer are idiot(s), and that's even if it's someone else's code. -- and inasmuch almost makes it better to keep using i, j ... unless you're some sort of purist 'style wanker' who says 'the code may be misunderstood' ..... (and let's face it: such comments are nearly always a reflection of the lack of abilities of the idiot quoting them).
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
But of course. The shorter the scope, the shorter the name. The longer the scope, the longer the name. Waaayyy back in a Pascal class I took in the mid-80s (on a PDP-11), for one assignment I chose to use the number of syllables of nonsense words to indicate the usage of the variables. Try typing "tafimadiddle" many times on a VT-100 (no cut/paste).
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
Though being rather young I do have the same habit. Guess I've picked that one up when taking my first C class 9 years ago (that is longer than it actually feels), and I just stuck with it, though I'm not using it as often in C#, where most of the stuff is Linq (x => x) it is there - Or I just use foreach.
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Consistency is a blessing. :thumbsup: I have my own names for common things that go back almost 20 years...they are in finger memory and great for copy/pasting. You could reasonably argue that the names a programmer uses for common items become a fingerprint of sorts. I get the Fortran background of 'i','j', and 'k' but have always disliked single character variable names since we're now (since the '80s) allowed to be a bit more descriptive...so I use a lot of 2 letter names instead! :laugh: Like you said though, whatever works! :) BTW, where UI items are concerned, it irritates me to see developers who are content with Textbox1, Textbox2, etc. X|
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
Developers who are content with Textbox1, Textbox2 irk the crap out of me, never mind merely irritate.
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
Good for you! we all know that the compiler is MUCH slower to parse loopIndex than a simple i :)
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I have never touched Fortran or Cobol and I use the same conventions, I have no idea where I picked it up from as I learnt to code on a commodore 64 and then from a SuperBase manual.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
Some early BASIC versions allowed up to 26 numeric variables; i through m (?) were integers, everything else floating point. It's a reflection of the generosity of 26 variables that in practice most of us only ever needed i, j, k as integers; we really were spoiled for choice.
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Okay, I was writing some code and noticed that I was using 'i','j', and 'k' for looping indices - it shook me that I still retained that habit. :doh: Then I thought: "Who cares? They do the job" :laugh:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
Mathematicians used i, j and k as indexes long before Babbage's Analythical Machine. It did not come with Fortran. When I was a student, the professors insisted on long, descriptive names in our programming hand-ins. I looked over the shoulder of one of my classmates: His integer variables where named I01, I02,... float variables F01, F02... I shook my head: Prof xxx will explode into small pices when he sees that code! My classmate smiled back: Oh no, of course I make a global subsistute of I01 with NumberOfFruitBaskets, I02 with NumberOfApplesPerBasket, F01 with AverageWeightPerApple and so on, but I can't be bothered with typing those long names when I develop the program! (He was the brightest kid in class, and certainly had the mental capacity to keep the asossication between F01 and the average apple weight.) In my current job, one group revising our coding standards suggested that code lines were restricted to at most 72 characters (they were serious about that!). My project asked for an exception, as we had rules for the naming of cross-module #define constants that in some cases lead to identifiers exceeding the 72 char limit. ... I think that is going a little bit too far in the other direction.
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Old FORTRAN habits die hard ... I do the same, but at least I have to declare them these days. Old FORTRAN programmers never die, they RETURN to caller
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
