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  • B Bernhard Hiller

    When you reach the world of Enlightenment according to Zen, there's neither time nor causality anymore. Without time, you cannot say which item came first: response or command. And now, consequently, it is not possible to tell if a response was caused by a command, or a command was caused by a response. Om. :)

    Oh sanctissimi Wilhelmus, Theodorus, et Fredericus!

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    I really need to hire you in as a consultant to work with this guy. Unfortunately we haven't had consultant money in years, so... :|

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      From the TCP/IP interface specification for some hardware I have to talk to: A command is always sent from the CT to the WS and a response is always sent from the WS to the CT. The term command and response no longer dictate the order that the messages are sent, that is, the WS may send a response first and the CT will respond by sending a command. And people wonder why I don't have any hair left...

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      Lost User
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      Quantum computing at its finest.

      "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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      • G Gary Wheeler

        From the TCP/IP interface specification for some hardware I have to talk to: A command is always sent from the CT to the WS and a response is always sent from the WS to the CT. The term command and response no longer dictate the order that the messages are sent, that is, the WS may send a response first and the CT will respond by sending a command. And people wonder why I don't have any hair left...

        Software Zen: delete this;

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        • G Gary Wheeler

          I really need to hire you in as a consultant to work with this guy. Unfortunately we haven't had consultant money in years, so... :|

          Software Zen: delete this;

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          Daniel Pfeffer
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          You should try saying the money hum: Om money padme hum :)

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          • G Gary Wheeler

            From the TCP/IP interface specification for some hardware I have to talk to: A command is always sent from the CT to the WS and a response is always sent from the WS to the CT. The term command and response no longer dictate the order that the messages are sent, that is, the WS may send a response first and the CT will respond by sending a command. And people wonder why I don't have any hair left...

            Software Zen: delete this;

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            irneb
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            Methinks they might have been physicists writing the documentation. They must've been struggling with the relativity / causality issues and trying to come to grips with the implications. I.e. in their mind effect may in fact precede cause. Thus the command may follow the result, which may all have happened weeks before the request!

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            • G Gary Wheeler

              From the TCP/IP interface specification for some hardware I have to talk to: A command is always sent from the CT to the WS and a response is always sent from the WS to the CT. The term command and response no longer dictate the order that the messages are sent, that is, the WS may send a response first and the CT will respond by sending a command. And people wonder why I don't have any hair left...

              Software Zen: delete this;

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              Lost User
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              Gary Wheeler wrote:

              A command is always sent from the CT to the WS and a response is always sent from the WS to the CT. The term command and response no longer dictate the order that the messages are sent, that is, the WS may send a response first and the CT will respond by sending a command.

              I think it's just the software engineer being stuck on the English language rather than focusing on the logical aspect of the documentation. Gratuitous network responses are very common in the networking world. [Gratuitous ARP Response](https://wiki.wireshark.org/Gratuitous\_ARP) There are also gratuitous RIP and eBGP responses. Probably a dozen other network protocols supporting gratuitous response messages. That's all I can think of at the moment. Best Wishes, -David Delaune

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                Gary Wheeler wrote:

                A command is always sent from the CT to the WS and a response is always sent from the WS to the CT. The term command and response no longer dictate the order that the messages are sent, that is, the WS may send a response first and the CT will respond by sending a command.

                I think it's just the software engineer being stuck on the English language rather than focusing on the logical aspect of the documentation. Gratuitous network responses are very common in the networking world. [Gratuitous ARP Response](https://wiki.wireshark.org/Gratuitous\_ARP) There are also gratuitous RIP and eBGP responses. Probably a dozen other network protocols supporting gratuitous response messages. That's all I can think of at the moment. Best Wishes, -David Delaune

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                Randor wrote:

                think it's just the software engineer being stuck on the English language rather than focusing on the logical aspect of the documentation

                Got it in one. He was stuck on the notion that incoming messages to him were called 'commands', even when they were responses to something he sent, and vice versa.

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                • R RugbyLeague

                  quantum communication :omg:

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                  peterkmx
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                  and I would add " … mixed with negation of causality theory … " :-)

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                  • G Gary Wheeler

                    From the TCP/IP interface specification for some hardware I have to talk to: A command is always sent from the CT to the WS and a response is always sent from the WS to the CT. The term command and response no longer dictate the order that the messages are sent, that is, the WS may send a response first and the CT will respond by sending a command. And people wonder why I don't have any hair left...

                    Software Zen: delete this;

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                    yes but … this creates mind blowing possibilities: consider that "command" is not a command and "response" is not a response, like in The Matrix "spoon" is not a spoon (or something like that), perhaps this way we will get somewhere with deciphering this stuff … :-)

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                    • G Gary Wheeler

                      Well, I only do it in self-defense...

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                      Forogar
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                      Is that the kind of self-defence where you attack first and then get a response?

                      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                        Is that the kind of self-defence where you attack first and then get a response?

                        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                        Graeme Henderson
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                        Or, as we say in soccer, "getting your retaliation in first"

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                        • G Gary Wheeler

                          From the TCP/IP interface specification for some hardware I have to talk to: A command is always sent from the CT to the WS and a response is always sent from the WS to the CT. The term command and response no longer dictate the order that the messages are sent, that is, the WS may send a response first and the CT will respond by sending a command. And people wonder why I don't have any hair left...

                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                          Dr Walt Fair PE
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                          If only we mre humand could give answers before we get the questions!

                          CQ de W5ALT

                          Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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