Global tobacco treaty will curb freedom, but not smoking...
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"...The bottom line is that treaties, taxes, and tyranny won't curb smoking in the United States or abroad," Neale said. "It's time to snuff out the U.S. role in the global anti-tobacco treaty." ""U.S. politicians have no right ordering Americans not to smoke -- much less people halfway around the world," Neale said. "Smoking is a personal choice, not an international crisis. Adults should have the right to engage in behavior that hurts no one but themselves, as long as they're willing to accept the consequences."" http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?function=view&record=642[^] :mad: I am tired of politics and law makers! It's not that I don't think smoking is not bad, it is just the fact that our freedoms are getting eliminated day by day by each law made, it seems:( <On the other hand, this might be a sign that the tobacco companies might not have a death grip on US politicians anymore.:confused:> Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein (INTP)Smoking *can* hurt others, if you are not careful who you do it around. of course, so can speaking your mind indiscriminately, albeit in different ways... The US has a responsibility to do this, as we are home to many large tobacco companies. and weapons manufacturers... And it is occasionally necessary to limit freedoms for a greater good. besides, if you think smoking tobacco is getting unnecessarily difficult, try lighting up certain other sorts of dried vegetation... you ain't seen nothing yet. :|
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Smoking *can* hurt others, if you are not careful who you do it around. of course, so can speaking your mind indiscriminately, albeit in different ways... The US has a responsibility to do this, as we are home to many large tobacco companies. and weapons manufacturers... And it is occasionally necessary to limit freedoms for a greater good. besides, if you think smoking tobacco is getting unnecessarily difficult, try lighting up certain other sorts of dried vegetation... you ain't seen nothing yet. :|
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I'd show a smile but I'm too weak I'd share with you, could I only speak
Shog9 wrote: And it is occasionally necessary to limit freedoms for a greater good. this is a socialistic viewpoint! I thought we lived in the USA:wtf: "It's none of the government's business whether people smoke." Shog9 wrote: and weapons manufacturers :laugh: Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein (INTP) -
Smoking *can* hurt others, if you are not careful who you do it around. of course, so can speaking your mind indiscriminately, albeit in different ways... The US has a responsibility to do this, as we are home to many large tobacco companies. and weapons manufacturers... And it is occasionally necessary to limit freedoms for a greater good. besides, if you think smoking tobacco is getting unnecessarily difficult, try lighting up certain other sorts of dried vegetation... you ain't seen nothing yet. :|
- Shog9 -
I'd show a smile but I'm too weak I'd share with you, could I only speak
Shog9 wrote: it is occasionally necessary to limit freedoms for a greater good. It is never acceptable to limit personal freedom for any greater good. It is, however, entirely acceptable to punish and hold accountable those who exercise their freedoms in an irresponsible manner resulting in harm to others.
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Shog9 wrote: And it is occasionally necessary to limit freedoms for a greater good. this is a socialistic viewpoint! I thought we lived in the USA:wtf: "It's none of the government's business whether people smoke." Shog9 wrote: and weapons manufacturers :laugh: Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein (INTP) -
JoeSox wrote: I thought we lived in the USA We do - seat belt laws, drinking age, "hate crimes", the lot. We are the goverment's business, or haven't you noticed?
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Shog9 wrote: seat belt laws state/local gov can handle it Shog9 wrote: drinking age state/local gov can handle it Shog9 wrote: "hate crimes", state/local gov can handle it Please keep socialism out of federal government, WE would all be a lot happier in our pursuit of happiness, in the long run. just trying to bring "balance to the force"[^] ;P :-D Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein (INTP) -
Shog9 wrote: seat belt laws state/local gov can handle it Shog9 wrote: drinking age state/local gov can handle it Shog9 wrote: "hate crimes", state/local gov can handle it Please keep socialism out of federal government, WE would all be a lot happier in our pursuit of happiness, in the long run. just trying to bring "balance to the force"[^] ;P :-D Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein (INTP)JoeSox wrote: state/local gov handle it JoeSox wrote: state/local gov can JoeSox wrote: can JoeSox wrote: Please keep socialism out of federal government Keep it out? It's already there! And unless you've got a good plan to ween these state gov'ts off of federal funds, you can just get used to seeing more and more of it there. Where are we going in this handbasket again?
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I'd show a smile but I'm too weak I'd share with you, could I only speak
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JoeSox wrote: state/local gov handle it JoeSox wrote: state/local gov can JoeSox wrote: can JoeSox wrote: Please keep socialism out of federal government Keep it out? It's already there! And unless you've got a good plan to ween these state gov'ts off of federal funds, you can just get used to seeing more and more of it there. Where are we going in this handbasket again?
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I'd show a smile but I'm too weak I'd share with you, could I only speak
Shog9 wrote: Keep it out? It's already there! :rolleyes: I know :frustrated: Shog9 wrote: And unless you've got a good plan to ween these state gov'ts off of federal funds, you can just get used to seeing more and more of it there. vote third party. vote contraction not expansion:-D at the very least, voting third party will force the two-party monopoly to adopt some of their ideas. Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein (INTP) -
Shog9 wrote: Keep it out? It's already there! :rolleyes: I know :frustrated: Shog9 wrote: And unless you've got a good plan to ween these state gov'ts off of federal funds, you can just get used to seeing more and more of it there. vote third party. vote contraction not expansion:-D at the very least, voting third party will force the two-party monopoly to adopt some of their ideas. Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein (INTP)JoeSox wrote: at the very least, voting third party will force the two-party monopoly to adopt some of their ideas. i'm not as optimistic... (no way!) remember, GWB lost the popular vote. but that hasn't stopped him from totally ignoring the desires of anyone but a minority of the minority who voted for him. To vote with no response is to follow the way of the coward.
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JoeSox wrote: at the very least, voting third party will force the two-party monopoly to adopt some of their ideas. i'm not as optimistic... (no way!) remember, GWB lost the popular vote. but that hasn't stopped him from totally ignoring the desires of anyone but a minority of the minority who voted for him. To vote with no response is to follow the way of the coward.
Chris Losinger wrote: remember, GWB lost the popular vote. but that hasn't stopped him from totally ignoring the desires of anyone but a minority of the minority who voted for him. true, but if more 3rd party Senators and House reps were present, The Bush Admin would be "put in check" by these other parties. The system of checks and balances are in place, we just have to use it properly. I know in the '92 race, Perot used many of the Libertarian ideas, this forced the other candidates to address these issues, I think this lead to two successfull terms for Bill C. And the country was overall pretty happy. Now matter what, the main point thrown in the face of voting third party, imo, is "to vote for a winner", don't throw your vote away. I hate this analogy for many reasons. My Grandfather loved to use this argument against me.:rolleyes: Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein (INTP) -
Smoking *can* hurt others, if you are not careful who you do it around. of course, so can speaking your mind indiscriminately, albeit in different ways... The US has a responsibility to do this, as we are home to many large tobacco companies. and weapons manufacturers... And it is occasionally necessary to limit freedoms for a greater good. besides, if you think smoking tobacco is getting unnecessarily difficult, try lighting up certain other sorts of dried vegetation... you ain't seen nothing yet. :|
- Shog9 -
I'd show a smile but I'm too weak I'd share with you, could I only speak