Where We Are
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j'accuse There are two important principals that are essential for any sort of system of justice. Not just two, but certainly these two. First - innocent until proven guilty. Second - The prohibition of ex post fact - making something illegal after it has been done and then using this to try and convict someone. The latter is enshrined in the US Constitution: Art 1, § 9. A powerful protection against tyrannical rule. Today, however, we have replaced both of these with mob-rule. This disease has infected both the right and the left, and in the name of pandering, all but the boldest politicians. As ever, being a politician is being a crowd pleaser. Part of the blame can be placed upon the curse of the ubiquitous hand-held devices. They teach you what your opinion should be; put information, right or wrong, at your finger tips so you don't really need to know anything, and, of course, in various manifestations, being driven to crave personal 'likes' by agreeing with the mob you help compose. Trying to be popular is much easier than thinking. And if in a crowd - always chant with them. Anonymous togetherness! As warm and cozy a feeling as one could hope for. If you are accused you are asked to resign or are summarily fired. If you did something perfectly acceptable (and even innocent of any malice) forty years ago, you are held to account by current standards - they, themselves, forged in a furnace of fraud. And fear . . . lest you be next accused. Oh! The feeling of power! The rush! - demanding penalties before trial - possibly from unnamed accusers. Buy more batteries for that bull-horn and await your own next chance to shout down your neighbor.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
If you are accused you are asked to resign or are summarily fired.
Nothing new about that. Generally speaking, employees have only limited protections when it comes to arbitrary termination. There is no constitutional process that must be followed and there never has been.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
This disease has infected both the right and the left,
Perhaps you can give some examples of how "the right" have mobbed to have someone found guilty\sacked?
Most recently, Republicans removed Rep. Steve King from all of his Committee assignments over his remarks concerning white supremacy.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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Most recently, Republicans removed Rep. Steve King from all of his Committee assignments over his remarks concerning white supremacy.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
I've dealt with you enough to know that I don't even need to bother researching any of that as none of it will be true but you'll refuse to accept that, so go troll somewhere else.
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I've dealt with you enough to know that I don't even need to bother researching any of that as none of it will be true but you'll refuse to accept that, so go troll somewhere else.
Keep you head in the sand. :laugh: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/steve-king-white-supremacy.html[^]
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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Most recently, Republicans removed Rep. Steve King from all of his Committee assignments over his remarks concerning white supremacy.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
Majerus wrote:
over his remarks
Precisely. As I understand it, the OP was asking for an example of guilty even if proven innocent by the right. Your example does not fit what the OP was asking for.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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j'accuse There are two important principals that are essential for any sort of system of justice. Not just two, but certainly these two. First - innocent until proven guilty. Second - The prohibition of ex post fact - making something illegal after it has been done and then using this to try and convict someone. The latter is enshrined in the US Constitution: Art 1, § 9. A powerful protection against tyrannical rule. Today, however, we have replaced both of these with mob-rule. This disease has infected both the right and the left, and in the name of pandering, all but the boldest politicians. As ever, being a politician is being a crowd pleaser. Part of the blame can be placed upon the curse of the ubiquitous hand-held devices. They teach you what your opinion should be; put information, right or wrong, at your finger tips so you don't really need to know anything, and, of course, in various manifestations, being driven to crave personal 'likes' by agreeing with the mob you help compose. Trying to be popular is much easier than thinking. And if in a crowd - always chant with them. Anonymous togetherness! As warm and cozy a feeling as one could hope for. If you are accused you are asked to resign or are summarily fired. If you did something perfectly acceptable (and even innocent of any malice) forty years ago, you are held to account by current standards - they, themselves, forged in a furnace of fraud. And fear . . . lest you be next accused. Oh! The feeling of power! The rush! - demanding penalties before trial - possibly from unnamed accusers. Buy more batteries for that bull-horn and await your own next chance to shout down your neighbor.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Let's not forget about the modern media. It's not enough that the old school media has been driven to click-bait headlines but now we have them accepting rumor and innuendo as fact. Any moron with a blog can accuse anyone of anything with no evidence and if it matches their preconceived bias the main stream media will propagate it to the unwashed masses. It's so bad now that they write entire articles about what other morons write on Twitter. Western society is doomed.
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Let's not forget about the modern media. It's not enough that the old school media has been driven to click-bait headlines but now we have them accepting rumor and innuendo as fact. Any moron with a blog can accuse anyone of anything with no evidence and if it matches their preconceived bias the main stream media will propagate it to the unwashed masses. It's so bad now that they write entire articles about what other morons write on Twitter. Western society is doomed.
Apocalypse Now, Part Two
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Apocalypse Now, Part Two
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Exactly.
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Most recently, Republicans removed Rep. Steve King from all of his Committee assignments over his remarks concerning white supremacy.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
At least he actually did what he was accused of ! I'm thinking about various people losing their jobs because women, for example, accused them of sexual something and the didn't like it. Some of them deserve prison for what they've done. Others deserve financial damages for being wrongfully accused. All were punished without the benefit of a trial. Dems, meanwhile, all pile on to the Virginia governor. Nearly forty years ago he did something that was, like it or not, socially acceptable. Dressing up in costumes - especially for a performance . . . Well it all depends upon who you are - a recent black celebrity used the term "Jew Money" and excused himself by saying it was not perjoritive but complimentary as it recognized their financing of many productions. Well - by the same token, shouldn't black face, even at the minstrel show level, be considered a compliment to the black singers? As they say, what's good for the goose . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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j'accuse There are two important principals that are essential for any sort of system of justice. Not just two, but certainly these two. First - innocent until proven guilty. Second - The prohibition of ex post fact - making something illegal after it has been done and then using this to try and convict someone. The latter is enshrined in the US Constitution: Art 1, § 9. A powerful protection against tyrannical rule. Today, however, we have replaced both of these with mob-rule. This disease has infected both the right and the left, and in the name of pandering, all but the boldest politicians. As ever, being a politician is being a crowd pleaser. Part of the blame can be placed upon the curse of the ubiquitous hand-held devices. They teach you what your opinion should be; put information, right or wrong, at your finger tips so you don't really need to know anything, and, of course, in various manifestations, being driven to crave personal 'likes' by agreeing with the mob you help compose. Trying to be popular is much easier than thinking. And if in a crowd - always chant with them. Anonymous togetherness! As warm and cozy a feeling as one could hope for. If you are accused you are asked to resign or are summarily fired. If you did something perfectly acceptable (and even innocent of any malice) forty years ago, you are held to account by current standards - they, themselves, forged in a furnace of fraud. And fear . . . lest you be next accused. Oh! The feeling of power! The rush! - demanding penalties before trial - possibly from unnamed accusers. Buy more batteries for that bull-horn and await your own next chance to shout down your neighbor.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Today, however, we have replaced both of these with mob-rule.
The lynching has a long and dishonourable history in the U.S. The only difference is that now the entire planet can play. :sigh:
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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At least he actually did what he was accused of ! I'm thinking about various people losing their jobs because women, for example, accused them of sexual something and the didn't like it. Some of them deserve prison for what they've done. Others deserve financial damages for being wrongfully accused. All were punished without the benefit of a trial. Dems, meanwhile, all pile on to the Virginia governor. Nearly forty years ago he did something that was, like it or not, socially acceptable. Dressing up in costumes - especially for a performance . . . Well it all depends upon who you are - a recent black celebrity used the term "Jew Money" and excused himself by saying it was not perjoritive but complimentary as it recognized their financing of many productions. Well - by the same token, shouldn't black face, even at the minstrel show level, be considered a compliment to the black singers? As they say, what's good for the goose . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
All were punished without the benefit of a trial.
That's what you get with 'At Will' employment. One can be fired because a boss doesn't like a facebook page. Perhaps the protections provided by collective bargaining could mitigate the worst excesses.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
that was, like it or not, socially acceptable.
Well, it was acceptable in that particular nearly all-white environment. But it was also the 1980's. No, black-face was not acceptable in the broader society. As far as I am aware, the Virginia Governor cannot be compelled to resign and it does not appear that he will resign voluntarily.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Well it all depends upon who you are
Nothing new there. Money talks. I don't know who you are referring to, but I doubt anyone has much leverage with which to punish him. If he makes money, his record label - assuming he is a recording celebrity - is unlikely to drop him.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Today, however, we have replaced both of these with mob-rule.
The lynching has a long and dishonourable history in the U.S. The only difference is that now the entire planet can play. :sigh:
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
An interesting perspective. Lynchings Burnings Beheadings (in your neck of the woods) and the odd Expulsions and partial dismemberments. Larger audiences. Instant replay. And just about anyone can play!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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j'accuse There are two important principals that are essential for any sort of system of justice. Not just two, but certainly these two. First - innocent until proven guilty. Second - The prohibition of ex post fact - making something illegal after it has been done and then using this to try and convict someone. The latter is enshrined in the US Constitution: Art 1, § 9. A powerful protection against tyrannical rule. Today, however, we have replaced both of these with mob-rule. This disease has infected both the right and the left, and in the name of pandering, all but the boldest politicians. As ever, being a politician is being a crowd pleaser. Part of the blame can be placed upon the curse of the ubiquitous hand-held devices. They teach you what your opinion should be; put information, right or wrong, at your finger tips so you don't really need to know anything, and, of course, in various manifestations, being driven to crave personal 'likes' by agreeing with the mob you help compose. Trying to be popular is much easier than thinking. And if in a crowd - always chant with them. Anonymous togetherness! As warm and cozy a feeling as one could hope for. If you are accused you are asked to resign or are summarily fired. If you did something perfectly acceptable (and even innocent of any malice) forty years ago, you are held to account by current standards - they, themselves, forged in a furnace of fraud. And fear . . . lest you be next accused. Oh! The feeling of power! The rush! - demanding penalties before trial - possibly from unnamed accusers. Buy more batteries for that bull-horn and await your own next chance to shout down your neighbor.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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What is so annoying is the actions of politicians and others who go along with it, actively or passively. There are almost no voices of reason to call this out.
The voices are those of pandering politicians and loud-mouths on power trips. Interesting info from yesterday (related to Georgia Governor): when surveyed, about 58% of the black in the state pretty much agreed with the concept - it was a long time ago. And he's been good for them. But the loud-mouths are the ones that get on TV. Ditto, locally, with the amazon office complex: that (bitch) Rep. Cortez got a movement going to oppose it and got plenty of press - and only now are the local people (a place called Long Island City) finally getting off their collective asses and saying they want the big pile of jobs that's coming. My (quite right-wing sounding) take is that if the people had good jobs then she'd lose her constituency. Will wishing "a pox upon them" have any chance of working?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Most recently, Republicans removed Rep. Steve King from all of his Committee assignments over his remarks concerning white supremacy.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
Doesn't fit. His white supremacy offenses are current, not from 40 years ago.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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The voices are those of pandering politicians and loud-mouths on power trips. Interesting info from yesterday (related to Georgia Governor): when surveyed, about 58% of the black in the state pretty much agreed with the concept - it was a long time ago. And he's been good for them. But the loud-mouths are the ones that get on TV. Ditto, locally, with the amazon office complex: that (bitch) Rep. Cortez got a movement going to oppose it and got plenty of press - and only now are the local people (a place called Long Island City) finally getting off their collective asses and saying they want the big pile of jobs that's coming. My (quite right-wing sounding) take is that if the people had good jobs then she'd lose her constituency. Will wishing "a pox upon them" have any chance of working?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Rep. Cortez got a movement going to oppose it
I think you are crediting her with a lot more power and influence than she has. She's not the only one that thinks that $3 billion in subsidies to Amazon is excessive.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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The voices are those of pandering politicians and loud-mouths on power trips. Interesting info from yesterday (related to Georgia Governor): when surveyed, about 58% of the black in the state pretty much agreed with the concept - it was a long time ago. And he's been good for them. But the loud-mouths are the ones that get on TV. Ditto, locally, with the amazon office complex: that (bitch) Rep. Cortez got a movement going to oppose it and got plenty of press - and only now are the local people (a place called Long Island City) finally getting off their collective asses and saying they want the big pile of jobs that's coming. My (quite right-wing sounding) take is that if the people had good jobs then she'd lose her constituency. Will wishing "a pox upon them" have any chance of working?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
as "AOC" says: The Benjamins are a-talkin...
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Doesn't fit. His white supremacy offenses are current, not from 40 years ago.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Doesn't fit.
Sitecore's question did not implicitly or explicitly require the offense be decades old.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
His white supremacy offenses are current
He's been in office for 15 years and his recent outburst is not a unique outlier.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Rep. Cortez got a movement going to oppose it
I think you are crediting her with a lot more power and influence than she has. She's not the only one that thinks that $3 billion in subsidies to Amazon is excessive.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
Even so, "AOC" acknowledges that Amazon would bring in $30 Billion in tax revenue (not necessarily directly from them but from personal income taxes, other external business taxes, etc). So 10x return on the investment of $3 Billion. That's quite good. I don't see what she's complaining about.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Doesn't fit.
Sitecore's question did not implicitly or explicitly require the offense be decades old.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
His white supremacy offenses are current
He's been in office for 15 years and his recent outburst is not a unique outlier.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
yes, but the origin of the thread does imply it.
Majerus wrote:
recent outburst is not a unique outlier
exactly the point
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun