MP about CGI [ not a spoiler ]
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When will we have real full color CGI action ? Did you notice that in the matrix, the colors are not quite there ? I mean everyone is wearing black , white or beige. The action scenes are almost totally devoid of colors. I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware.You wont notice it if you arent looking. Cmon - atleast use 256 colors :eek: V
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When will we have real full color CGI action ? Did you notice that in the matrix, the colors are not quite there ? I mean everyone is wearing black , white or beige. The action scenes are almost totally devoid of colors. I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware.You wont notice it if you arent looking. Cmon - atleast use 256 colors :eek: V
??? You're kidding around? They were all in black, white and beige because it makes them look really frickin' cool! I'm sure you'll find a few (hundred thousand) sites on the tech they used, and I'm sure you'll find that they used unbelievably high quality photo rendering. J
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."
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When will we have real full color CGI action ? Did you notice that in the matrix, the colors are not quite there ? I mean everyone is wearing black , white or beige. The action scenes are almost totally devoid of colors. I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware.You wont notice it if you arent looking. Cmon - atleast use 256 colors :eek: V
*paul chokes on his kahuna sandwiche* You are taking the piss, right? I mean you are just trying to push our buttons, right? If not then... First off: Not every scene in the Matrix is CGI. Only bits. Second off: The colours are intentional. It is the style of the movie. Black is always in fashion. Black is cool. The Matrix is meant to be devoid of colour, with vivid colour (like the lady in the red dress in the original) meant to draw our intention because it stands out. The lack of colour hints towards the fact that this is all not real. Notice that Zion has many vivid colours in it. It is real world and starkly contrasts with the Matrix. So in conclusion: Go consult a fashion consultant. Realise that lack of colour was intentional. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Maunder wrote: knowing HTML doesn't mean having style, class or restraint.
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??? You're kidding around? They were all in black, white and beige because it makes them look really frickin' cool! I'm sure you'll find a few (hundred thousand) sites on the tech they used, and I'm sure you'll find that they used unbelievably high quality photo rendering. J
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."
Jamie Hale wrote: You're kidding around? He must be. I mean... well... umm.. err... Jeeesh I just can't wrap my mind around any other explanations for his question. He must be secretly British and taking the piss. Jamie Hale wrote: They were all in black, white and beige because it makes them look really frickin' cool! :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Maunder wrote: knowing HTML doesn't mean having style, class or restraint.
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*paul chokes on his kahuna sandwiche* You are taking the piss, right? I mean you are just trying to push our buttons, right? If not then... First off: Not every scene in the Matrix is CGI. Only bits. Second off: The colours are intentional. It is the style of the movie. Black is always in fashion. Black is cool. The Matrix is meant to be devoid of colour, with vivid colour (like the lady in the red dress in the original) meant to draw our intention because it stands out. The lack of colour hints towards the fact that this is all not real. Notice that Zion has many vivid colours in it. It is real world and starkly contrasts with the Matrix. So in conclusion: Go consult a fashion consultant. Realise that lack of colour was intentional. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Maunder wrote: knowing HTML doesn't mean having style, class or restraint.
Paul Watson wrote: draw our intention is that manipulation ;P
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Paul Watson wrote: draw our intention is that manipulation ;P
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Paul van der Walt wrote: is that manipulation I don't care what it is so long as she makes a cameo in Revolutions :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
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Paul van der Walt wrote: is that manipulation I don't care what it is so long as she makes a cameo in Revolutions :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
I sorta wondered about her when they were in the restaurant and the guy sent the special "pie" program. That chick looked a lot like the woman in red. J
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."
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When will we have real full color CGI action ? Did you notice that in the matrix, the colors are not quite there ? I mean everyone is wearing black , white or beige. The action scenes are almost totally devoid of colors. I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware.You wont notice it if you arent looking. Cmon - atleast use 256 colors :eek: V
Vivek Rajan wrote: Did you notice that in the matrix, the colors are not quite there ? I mean everyone is wearing black , white or beige. The action scenes are almost totally devoid of colors Have you ever watched Traffic? The movie about drugs with Zeta Jones and Douglas? The scenes in Mexico are yellow and bright. The scenes in DC are blue and dim. It is not a problem with their camera equipment or cheap video editing software, it was an intentional style to seperate the two locations.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
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Vivek Rajan wrote: Did you notice that in the matrix, the colors are not quite there ? I mean everyone is wearing black , white or beige. The action scenes are almost totally devoid of colors Have you ever watched Traffic? The movie about drugs with Zeta Jones and Douglas? The scenes in Mexico are yellow and bright. The scenes in DC are blue and dim. It is not a problem with their camera equipment or cheap video editing software, it was an intentional style to seperate the two locations.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
Paul Watson wrote: it was an intentional style What? I thought that's what Mexico really looks like! J
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."
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*paul chokes on his kahuna sandwiche* You are taking the piss, right? I mean you are just trying to push our buttons, right? If not then... First off: Not every scene in the Matrix is CGI. Only bits. Second off: The colours are intentional. It is the style of the movie. Black is always in fashion. Black is cool. The Matrix is meant to be devoid of colour, with vivid colour (like the lady in the red dress in the original) meant to draw our intention because it stands out. The lack of colour hints towards the fact that this is all not real. Notice that Zion has many vivid colours in it. It is real world and starkly contrasts with the Matrix. So in conclusion: Go consult a fashion consultant. Realise that lack of colour was intentional. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Maunder wrote: knowing HTML doesn't mean having style, class or restraint.
Paul Watson wrote: You are taking the piss, right? I mean you are just trying to push our buttons, right? Only partly :-) Yeah black is too cool , very cool, so cool that I am not even allowed to say exactly how cool it is :cool:. My point was : apart from being really really cool , black also helps rendering. Unfortunately at the expense of reality. I guess we have to wait for the next generation of CGI-hardware-gizmos if we want to see Mr Smith in a Hawaiian Shirt :-)
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I sorta wondered about her when they were in the restaurant and the guy sent the special "pie" program. That chick looked a lot like the woman in red. J
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."
Jamie Hale wrote: I sorta wondered about her when they were in the restaurant and the guy sent the special "pie" program. That chick looked a lot like the woman in red. Wow I had not thought of that until now. You only catch a glimpse of her in the Matrix, but I reckon you are right. Same build and Hollywood blonde hair. Good one Jamie. The Matrix: Women in red = Fiona Johnson The Matrix Realoaded: Chocolate orgasm lady = No idea, can't find out (but you are probably right)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
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Paul Watson wrote: You are taking the piss, right? I mean you are just trying to push our buttons, right? Only partly :-) Yeah black is too cool , very cool, so cool that I am not even allowed to say exactly how cool it is :cool:. My point was : apart from being really really cool , black also helps rendering. Unfortunately at the expense of reality. I guess we have to wait for the next generation of CGI-hardware-gizmos if we want to see Mr Smith in a Hawaiian Shirt :-)
Your argument doesn't hold. Look closely at the hair textures. Or skin textures. J
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."
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Paul Watson wrote: You are taking the piss, right? I mean you are just trying to push our buttons, right? Only partly :-) Yeah black is too cool , very cool, so cool that I am not even allowed to say exactly how cool it is :cool:. My point was : apart from being really really cool , black also helps rendering. Unfortunately at the expense of reality. I guess we have to wait for the next generation of CGI-hardware-gizmos if we want to see Mr Smith in a Hawaiian Shirt :-)
Vivek Rajan wrote: My point was : apart from being really really cool , black also helps rendering. Unfortunately at the expense of reality. I guess we have to wait for the next generation of CGI-hardware-gizmos if we want to see Mr Smith in a Hawaiian Shirt I highly doubt it Vivek. John Geata and his team did not go to all that trouble and then think "oh shit, colour is too expensive, lets ditch it for a Quake like 16 colour pallette." Read this article and be freaked out about the power that went into the CGI of Matrix Reloaded. I am pretty sure it can handle colour just fine, hawain shirts and all. "The massive datastreams from these cameras - one gigabyte a second" "The Arius scanner is accurate down to 25 microns"
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
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Vivek Rajan wrote: Did you notice that in the matrix, the colors are not quite there ? I mean everyone is wearing black , white or beige. The action scenes are almost totally devoid of colors Have you ever watched Traffic? The movie about drugs with Zeta Jones and Douglas? The scenes in Mexico are yellow and bright. The scenes in DC are blue and dim. It is not a problem with their camera equipment or cheap video editing software, it was an intentional style to seperate the two locations.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
Traffic was good. In that movie the effects really worked for the movie. Not for the Matrix. When Neo fights a dozen Mr Smiths in a apartment playground, we are in the real world. I mean the Matrix is simulating a real world isnt it. A real world has colors. I dont recall seeing much color in that scene. If you say the lack of colors is supposed to hint that we are in a "simulated real world", then why do we have lots of color in other scenes? Overall , it is a well known fact that todays state of the art in CGI prefers darkness to brightness, low color to high color. In dark environments, all of the observers attention can be focused on an illuminated subject - so the "dark stuff" can be efficiently rendered or even clipped. The movie didnt suck. The CGI was just too evident.
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Traffic was good. In that movie the effects really worked for the movie. Not for the Matrix. When Neo fights a dozen Mr Smiths in a apartment playground, we are in the real world. I mean the Matrix is simulating a real world isnt it. A real world has colors. I dont recall seeing much color in that scene. If you say the lack of colors is supposed to hint that we are in a "simulated real world", then why do we have lots of color in other scenes? Overall , it is a well known fact that todays state of the art in CGI prefers darkness to brightness, low color to high color. In dark environments, all of the observers attention can be focused on an illuminated subject - so the "dark stuff" can be efficiently rendered or even clipped. The movie didnt suck. The CGI was just too evident.
Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
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Vivek Rajan wrote: My point was : apart from being really really cool , black also helps rendering. Unfortunately at the expense of reality. I guess we have to wait for the next generation of CGI-hardware-gizmos if we want to see Mr Smith in a Hawaiian Shirt I highly doubt it Vivek. John Geata and his team did not go to all that trouble and then think "oh shit, colour is too expensive, lets ditch it for a Quake like 16 colour pallette." Read this article and be freaked out about the power that went into the CGI of Matrix Reloaded. I am pretty sure it can handle colour just fine, hawain shirts and all. "The massive datastreams from these cameras - one gigabyte a second" "The Arius scanner is accurate down to 25 microns"
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaVivek Rajan wrote (about the Matrix): I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware... ...Cmon - atleast use 256 colors...
Paul Watson wrote: Read this article and be freaked out about the power that went into the CGI of Matrix Reloaded. I am pretty sure it can handle colour just fine, hawain shirts and all. Thanks for the link paul. Good one. Also check out insidecg.com No doubt these guys are extreeemely talented. The best we have. My point was the hardware is just not there yet.
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When will we have real full color CGI action ? Did you notice that in the matrix, the colors are not quite there ? I mean everyone is wearing black , white or beige. The action scenes are almost totally devoid of colors. I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware.You wont notice it if you arent looking. Cmon - atleast use 256 colors :eek: V
Colour (note correct spelling ;P) isn't much of a factor in CGI, its the mechanical details that cause problems. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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When will we have real full color CGI action ? Did you notice that in the matrix, the colors are not quite there ? I mean everyone is wearing black , white or beige. The action scenes are almost totally devoid of colors. I assume they are using low colors because they want faster rendering using cheaper hardware.You wont notice it if you arent looking. Cmon - atleast use 256 colors :eek: V
Er, CGI may not be quite perfect yet, but i do believe they've progressed a bit beyond VGA in their rendering capabilities. As i recall, "Fight Club" also had a rather dark, washed-out look to it, but i somehow doubt this was for the benefit of the CGI team...
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Jamie Hale wrote: You're kidding around? He must be. I mean... well... umm.. err... Jeeesh I just can't wrap my mind around any other explanations for his question. He must be secretly British and taking the piss. Jamie Hale wrote: They were all in black, white and beige because it makes them look really frickin' cool! :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Maunder wrote: knowing HTML doesn't mean having style, class or restraint.