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    Dean Roddey
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    So I was cleaning my coffee grinder this morning and dropped the little feeder thingie, which proceeded to chip off a number of important bits. After a brief panic, I managed to super-glue it back together, but it reminded me of the perhaps oft casually considered but seldom spoken debt that the software industry owes to South/Central America. Could it actually even be over-estimated? I'm not sure it could. How many lines of code a year are written under the influence of coffee? What's one of the few, or possible even the only, consistently free amenity that software companies offer their employees? Of course coffee isn't the only stimulative product from Central America, and others may have often contributed. But coffee is far and away the fuel that powers the software industry. You'd think that the big companies would have long since made moves to consolidate their control over this important resource, sort of the way the US moved to control pitchblende deposits in the early 40s once it became apparent what sort of energies here hiding in there.

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      So I was cleaning my coffee grinder this morning and dropped the little feeder thingie, which proceeded to chip off a number of important bits. After a brief panic, I managed to super-glue it back together, but it reminded me of the perhaps oft casually considered but seldom spoken debt that the software industry owes to South/Central America. Could it actually even be over-estimated? I'm not sure it could. How many lines of code a year are written under the influence of coffee? What's one of the few, or possible even the only, consistently free amenity that software companies offer their employees? Of course coffee isn't the only stimulative product from Central America, and others may have often contributed. But coffee is far and away the fuel that powers the software industry. You'd think that the big companies would have long since made moves to consolidate their control over this important resource, sort of the way the US moved to control pitchblende deposits in the early 40s once it became apparent what sort of energies here hiding in there.

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      ZurdoDev
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      Dean Roddey wrote:

      But coffee is far and away the fuel that powers the software industry

      I probably agree with you; however, in 20 years of doing development work, I've never worked with another developer that drank coffee, including myself.

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        So I was cleaning my coffee grinder this morning and dropped the little feeder thingie, which proceeded to chip off a number of important bits. After a brief panic, I managed to super-glue it back together, but it reminded me of the perhaps oft casually considered but seldom spoken debt that the software industry owes to South/Central America. Could it actually even be over-estimated? I'm not sure it could. How many lines of code a year are written under the influence of coffee? What's one of the few, or possible even the only, consistently free amenity that software companies offer their employees? Of course coffee isn't the only stimulative product from Central America, and others may have often contributed. But coffee is far and away the fuel that powers the software industry. You'd think that the big companies would have long since made moves to consolidate their control over this important resource, sort of the way the US moved to control pitchblende deposits in the early 40s once it became apparent what sort of energies here hiding in there.

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        Rick York
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        I think it's South America, Colombia to be specific, that supplies most of the coffee beans for the USA. I could be wrong though and I am not a coffee drinker either.

        "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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          So I was cleaning my coffee grinder this morning and dropped the little feeder thingie, which proceeded to chip off a number of important bits. After a brief panic, I managed to super-glue it back together, but it reminded me of the perhaps oft casually considered but seldom spoken debt that the software industry owes to South/Central America. Could it actually even be over-estimated? I'm not sure it could. How many lines of code a year are written under the influence of coffee? What's one of the few, or possible even the only, consistently free amenity that software companies offer their employees? Of course coffee isn't the only stimulative product from Central America, and others may have often contributed. But coffee is far and away the fuel that powers the software industry. You'd think that the big companies would have long since made moves to consolidate their control over this important resource, sort of the way the US moved to control pitchblende deposits in the early 40s once it became apparent what sort of energies here hiding in there.

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          k5054
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          While I don't dispute your thesis that Coffee, and caffeine in general, has had a huge impact on software development, Central America has little to do with it:

          From Wikipedia:

          The genus Coffea is native to tropical Africa (specifically having its origin in Ethiopia and Sudan) and Madagascar, the Comoros, Mauritius, and Réunion in the Indian Ocean

          Furthermore the top 5 Coffee producing nations are [List of countries by coffee production - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_coffee\_production) Brazil 2.6 Million Metric Tons Vietnam 1.7 " " Columbia 0.8 " " Indonesia 0.7 " " Ethiopia 0.4 " "

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            I think it's South America, Colombia to be specific, that supplies most of the coffee beans for the USA. I could be wrong though and I am not a coffee drinker either.

            "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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            Dean Roddey
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            I hadn't really thought about it, but a quick check seems to indicate that Brazil is the biggest, and surprisingly Vietnam is the second and Indonesia is fourth. Columbia and Mexico third and seventh. Oh well, geography was never my strong point.

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              While I don't dispute your thesis that Coffee, and caffeine in general, has had a huge impact on software development, Central America has little to do with it:

              From Wikipedia:

              The genus Coffea is native to tropical Africa (specifically having its origin in Ethiopia and Sudan) and Madagascar, the Comoros, Mauritius, and Réunion in the Indian Ocean

              Furthermore the top 5 Coffee producing nations are [List of countries by coffee production - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_coffee\_production) Brazil 2.6 Million Metric Tons Vietnam 1.7 " " Columbia 0.8 " " Indonesia 0.7 " " Ethiopia 0.4 " "

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              Dean Roddey
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              Yeh, someone already beat you to it.

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                So I was cleaning my coffee grinder this morning and dropped the little feeder thingie, which proceeded to chip off a number of important bits. After a brief panic, I managed to super-glue it back together, but it reminded me of the perhaps oft casually considered but seldom spoken debt that the software industry owes to South/Central America. Could it actually even be over-estimated? I'm not sure it could. How many lines of code a year are written under the influence of coffee? What's one of the few, or possible even the only, consistently free amenity that software companies offer their employees? Of course coffee isn't the only stimulative product from Central America, and others may have often contributed. But coffee is far and away the fuel that powers the software industry. You'd think that the big companies would have long since made moves to consolidate their control over this important resource, sort of the way the US moved to control pitchblende deposits in the early 40s once it became apparent what sort of energies here hiding in there.

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                In particular Costa Rica, they're coffee is superb and I'm not sure I could function let alone code without it!

                Got my site back up after my time in the woods! JaxCoder.com

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                  I hadn't really thought about it, but a quick check seems to indicate that Brazil is the biggest, and surprisingly Vietnam is the second and Indonesia is fourth. Columbia and Mexico third and seventh. Oh well, geography was never my strong point.

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                  Rick York
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                  I agree - those are surprises.

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                    In particular Costa Rica, they're coffee is superb and I'm not sure I could function let alone code without it!

                    Got my site back up after my time in the woods! JaxCoder.com

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                    I just checked and the coffee I've been drinking for a while now is from Guatemala and Brazil. It's single estate stuff, or claims to be, that for whatever reason happens to actually be available in stores here in the rural'ish South East. I'd have to make a bit of a drive to get better.

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                      Dean Roddey wrote:

                      But coffee is far and away the fuel that powers the software industry

                      I probably agree with you; however, in 20 years of doing development work, I've never worked with another developer that drank coffee, including myself.

                      Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                      Fabio Franco
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                      ZurdoDev wrote:

                      n 20 years of doing development work, I've never worked with another developer that drank coffee, including myself.

                      That's very weird, with how many developers have you worked with? I actually never worked with another developer that did not drink off. I am always the weird'o that does not drink coffee. And I have worked with MANY developers and never met a single one that is not fueled by coffee except me. I am however fueled by caffeine through either capsules or energy drinks, just because I don't like the taste of coffee.

                      To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia

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                        So I was cleaning my coffee grinder this morning and dropped the little feeder thingie, which proceeded to chip off a number of important bits. After a brief panic, I managed to super-glue it back together, but it reminded me of the perhaps oft casually considered but seldom spoken debt that the software industry owes to South/Central America. Could it actually even be over-estimated? I'm not sure it could. How many lines of code a year are written under the influence of coffee? What's one of the few, or possible even the only, consistently free amenity that software companies offer their employees? Of course coffee isn't the only stimulative product from Central America, and others may have often contributed. But coffee is far and away the fuel that powers the software industry. You'd think that the big companies would have long since made moves to consolidate their control over this important resource, sort of the way the US moved to control pitchblende deposits in the early 40s once it became apparent what sort of energies here hiding in there.

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                        This meme I encountered says it all for me:

                        Quote:

                        Coffee spelled backwards is eeffoc. Just know that I don't give eeffoc until I've had my coffee.

                        Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.

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                          I just checked and the coffee I've been drinking for a while now is from Guatemala and Brazil. It's single estate stuff, or claims to be, that for whatever reason happens to actually be available in stores here in the rural'ish South East. I'd have to make a bit of a drive to get better.

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                          "single estate"... is that the coffee equivalent of "single barrel"? I'd definitely prefer the latter (I don't drink coffee). :-)

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                            So I was cleaning my coffee grinder this morning and dropped the little feeder thingie, which proceeded to chip off a number of important bits. After a brief panic, I managed to super-glue it back together, but it reminded me of the perhaps oft casually considered but seldom spoken debt that the software industry owes to South/Central America. Could it actually even be over-estimated? I'm not sure it could. How many lines of code a year are written under the influence of coffee? What's one of the few, or possible even the only, consistently free amenity that software companies offer their employees? Of course coffee isn't the only stimulative product from Central America, and others may have often contributed. But coffee is far and away the fuel that powers the software industry. You'd think that the big companies would have long since made moves to consolidate their control over this important resource, sort of the way the US moved to control pitchblende deposits in the early 40s once it became apparent what sort of energies here hiding in there.

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                            Gary Wheeler
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                            Dean Roddey wrote:

                            How many lines of code a year are written under the influence of coffee?

                            In my case coffee serves the following two purposes: (1) Brown stuff with cream and sweetener is a required part of my morning. There must be many cups of the stuff. My doctor has convinced me to reduce it to 33% caffeinated, but has no problems with the quantity (a pot-full a day). (2) As long as (1) is met, I won't have my big debut on CNN in the afternoon and I let the rest of you live.

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                              "single estate"... is that the coffee equivalent of "single barrel"? I'd definitely prefer the latter (I don't drink coffee). :-)

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                              Dean Roddey
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                              It would be like the wine world's single vineyard I guess. I.e. it's not just some big seller going around and grabbing beans/grapes from various places and blending it all together, losing the specific characteristics of a particular grape/bean. Not that some coffee blends aren't good, but (in theory at least) single estate/vineyard stuff is more 'ground level' and gives the growers an alternate route to market than the bulk sellers. Of course maybe in reality it's meet the new boss, same as the old boss, I dunno.

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                                So I was cleaning my coffee grinder this morning and dropped the little feeder thingie, which proceeded to chip off a number of important bits. After a brief panic, I managed to super-glue it back together, but it reminded me of the perhaps oft casually considered but seldom spoken debt that the software industry owes to South/Central America. Could it actually even be over-estimated? I'm not sure it could. How many lines of code a year are written under the influence of coffee? What's one of the few, or possible even the only, consistently free amenity that software companies offer their employees? Of course coffee isn't the only stimulative product from Central America, and others may have often contributed. But coffee is far and away the fuel that powers the software industry. You'd think that the big companies would have long since made moves to consolidate their control over this important resource, sort of the way the US moved to control pitchblende deposits in the early 40s once it became apparent what sort of energies here hiding in there.

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                                Peltier Cooler
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                                I thought that's why we had the Munroe Doctrine?

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                                  So I was cleaning my coffee grinder this morning and dropped the little feeder thingie, which proceeded to chip off a number of important bits. After a brief panic, I managed to super-glue it back together, but it reminded me of the perhaps oft casually considered but seldom spoken debt that the software industry owes to South/Central America. Could it actually even be over-estimated? I'm not sure it could. How many lines of code a year are written under the influence of coffee? What's one of the few, or possible even the only, consistently free amenity that software companies offer their employees? Of course coffee isn't the only stimulative product from Central America, and others may have often contributed. But coffee is far and away the fuel that powers the software industry. You'd think that the big companies would have long since made moves to consolidate their control over this important resource, sort of the way the US moved to control pitchblende deposits in the early 40s once it became apparent what sort of energies here hiding in there.

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                                  Mark_Wallace
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                                  Since more of my time is spent on writing text, not code, coffee is not helpful. "Write drunk, edit sober" Hemingway.

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                                    ZurdoDev wrote:

                                    n 20 years of doing development work, I've never worked with another developer that drank coffee, including myself.

                                    That's very weird, with how many developers have you worked with? I actually never worked with another developer that did not drink off. I am always the weird'o that does not drink coffee. And I have worked with MANY developers and never met a single one that is not fueled by coffee except me. I am however fueled by caffeine through either capsules or energy drinks, just because I don't like the taste of coffee.

                                    To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia

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                                    Maybe he arrives after everyone has finished their coffee for the day.

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                                      So I was cleaning my coffee grinder this morning and dropped the little feeder thingie, which proceeded to chip off a number of important bits. After a brief panic, I managed to super-glue it back together, but it reminded me of the perhaps oft casually considered but seldom spoken debt that the software industry owes to South/Central America. Could it actually even be over-estimated? I'm not sure it could. How many lines of code a year are written under the influence of coffee? What's one of the few, or possible even the only, consistently free amenity that software companies offer their employees? Of course coffee isn't the only stimulative product from Central America, and others may have often contributed. But coffee is far and away the fuel that powers the software industry. You'd think that the big companies would have long since made moves to consolidate their control over this important resource, sort of the way the US moved to control pitchblende deposits in the early 40s once it became apparent what sort of energies here hiding in there.

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                                      Jeff Clausius SG
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                                      Coffee and software development? Not by a long shot. Coffee is kids' stuff. There's a reason Jolt Cola[^] is the namesake for a 26+ year excellence in software award Jolt Awards - Deletionpedia.org[^]

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                                        Coffee and software development? Not by a long shot. Coffee is kids' stuff. There's a reason Jolt Cola[^] is the namesake for a 26+ year excellence in software award Jolt Awards - Deletionpedia.org[^]

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                                        Dean Roddey
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                                        You kids and your hard drugs...

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                                          You kids and your hard drugs...

                                          Explorans limites defectum

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                                          LOL! I guess if one would want buggy, non-working code hallucinogens would be the way to go. Regardless, there were a number of 100+ hour work weeks living off (c)old pizza and soda in my past. You might as well hooked us up an IV for the Jolt colas we were downing to get the project finished on time.

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