Why is IPv6 so complicated?
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IPv4, so simple, just four numbers from 0 to 255 giving the highest IP address as: 255.255.255.255 Some reserved, such as 192.168.0.0-255 or 192.168.1.0-255, and a few others I can't remember. So then, we run out of IPv4 addresses and we need another. If I had to do this, I would have first had "IPv5" with five sets: 255.255.255.255.255 - the IPv4 would be contained with 255.255.255.255.0, which is a heck of a lot more addresses! After that just 255.255.255.255.255.0, etc. Compatibility with older IPv4 addresses is simple, all IPv4 addresses are just "IPv5", "IPv6" or "IPv7", etc. with the last one, two or however many sets being 0. Simples! An IPv4 address or 123.234.123.234 would be represented in "IPv8" as 123.234.123.234.0.0.0.0 without any further complication! Why did they have to come up with a new, complex system that is not backwards compatible and is therefore much harder to implement and therefore not being taken up as quickly as it could have been? Your thoughts and deeper knowledge appreciated. [update] The zeroes could be leading instead of trailing, eg. 0.255.255.255.255
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
What annoys me most is that when I ping a domain name to find out its IP address, it sometimes comes up with an IPv6 address -- and there's no way in the fruggin' world I'm going to remember that!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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What annoys me most is that when I ping a domain name to find out its IP address, it sometimes comes up with an IPv6 address -- and there's no way in the fruggin' world I'm going to remember that!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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What annoys me most is that when I ping a domain name to find out its IP address, it sometimes comes up with an IPv6 address -- and there's no way in the fruggin' world I'm going to remember that!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
What annoys me most is that when I ping a domain name to find out its IP address, it sometimes comes up with an IPv6 address -- and there's no way in the fruggin' world I'm going to remember that!
All you need to remember is a single number: 4 ping -4 localhost Best Wishes, -David Delaune
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I do sometimes but not intentionally. I have a list written down with a whole bunch of them but I access some of them so often that I remember their address.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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IPv4, so simple, just four numbers from 0 to 255 giving the highest IP address as: 255.255.255.255 Some reserved, such as 192.168.0.0-255 or 192.168.1.0-255, and a few others I can't remember. So then, we run out of IPv4 addresses and we need another. If I had to do this, I would have first had "IPv5" with five sets: 255.255.255.255.255 - the IPv4 would be contained with 255.255.255.255.0, which is a heck of a lot more addresses! After that just 255.255.255.255.255.0, etc. Compatibility with older IPv4 addresses is simple, all IPv4 addresses are just "IPv5", "IPv6" or "IPv7", etc. with the last one, two or however many sets being 0. Simples! An IPv4 address or 123.234.123.234 would be represented in "IPv8" as 123.234.123.234.0.0.0.0 without any further complication! Why did they have to come up with a new, complex system that is not backwards compatible and is therefore much harder to implement and therefore not being taken up as quickly as it could have been? Your thoughts and deeper knowledge appreciated. [update] The zeroes could be leading instead of trailing, eg. 0.255.255.255.255
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Because doing things from scratch after you've learned from past mistakes is more sensible than continuing pretty much where you left off.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
What annoys me most is that when I ping a domain name to find out its IP address, it sometimes comes up with an IPv6 address -- and there's no way in the fruggin' world I'm going to remember that!
All you need to remember is a single number: 4 ping -4 localhost Best Wishes, -David Delaune
Assuming that the site has an IPv4 address. One of the reasons for introducing IPv6 is that internet ran out of addresses; there is not one for everyone. In the years to come, we will see an increasing fraction of DNS entries having IPv6 addresses only. At work, we have so many machines that we have consumed the IPv4 addresses allocated to us, so they have IPv6 addresses only. Another aspect with IPv4 vs. IPv6: The lack of IP addresses have lead a lot of ISPs to allocate IPv4 addresses temporarily, on demand, to their customers. The address you use today, someone else may use tomorrow. If you offer a service, you have to pay extra for a fixed IP address. Lots of companies dynamically translate a fairly small number of external IPv4 addresses to a large set of internal addresses. With IPv6 there is no technical need for doing such temporary / dynamic allocations; all devices will (/may) have persistent IPv6 addresses. So if you have looked it up in DNS once, you may keep the translation "forever" in your local cache, and will not depend on DNS again for that address. This is certainly not by definition; even IPv6 addresses may change (or e.g. a given service is taken over by a different device), but there is far less technical need to update or translate the IP address. Our dependence on DNS stability will be significantly reduced, once static IPv6 addresses are commonplace. That also means that authorities who want to ban certain web sites will have far less use of DNS censorship; if you have obtained the IPv6 of some illegal site once, you don't need DNS any more. On the other hand: If you had one IPv4 address yesterday, another one two days ago, and a third one today, that would to a certain degree mask your use of dubious services. When you get yourself a fixed IP address, it is far easier to identify the traffic going to you from anywhere along the route, without tracing how your IP address changes over time.
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It's just derived from the MAC address.
I did not know that. However, does that mean if you have more than one network card you have more than one IPv6 address? ...and your address will change if you replace a faulty or slow network card?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Fun fact: Modern operating systems generate a new (client) IPv6 address daily for the sake of privacy. Don't even need to change your NIC, just wait long enough.
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IPv4, so simple, just four numbers from 0 to 255 giving the highest IP address as: 255.255.255.255 Some reserved, such as 192.168.0.0-255 or 192.168.1.0-255, and a few others I can't remember. So then, we run out of IPv4 addresses and we need another. If I had to do this, I would have first had "IPv5" with five sets: 255.255.255.255.255 - the IPv4 would be contained with 255.255.255.255.0, which is a heck of a lot more addresses! After that just 255.255.255.255.255.0, etc. Compatibility with older IPv4 addresses is simple, all IPv4 addresses are just "IPv5", "IPv6" or "IPv7", etc. with the last one, two or however many sets being 0. Simples! An IPv4 address or 123.234.123.234 would be represented in "IPv8" as 123.234.123.234.0.0.0.0 without any further complication! Why did they have to come up with a new, complex system that is not backwards compatible and is therefore much harder to implement and therefore not being taken up as quickly as it could have been? Your thoughts and deeper knowledge appreciated. [update] The zeroes could be leading instead of trailing, eg. 0.255.255.255.255
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Is this similar to "32 bit CPU is enough, why 64 bit is so complicated?" The point is to enable every sand grain to be connected: geology - Can every grain of sand be addressed in IPv6? - Skeptics Stack Exchange[^] Like it or not, China is progressing on IPv6 very fast, simply for your 5G phones and IOTs.
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Is this similar to "32 bit CPU is enough, why 64 bit is so complicated?" The point is to enable every sand grain to be connected: geology - Can every grain of sand be addressed in IPv6? - Skeptics Stack Exchange[^] Like it or not, China is progressing on IPv6 very fast, simply for your 5G phones and IOTs.
Who claims that 32 bit is simple? I know it can be, but when I was teaching elementary computer architecture (as a software man, seeing architecture from a software man to software students) trying to explain the IA-32 mess has kept me forever away from attempting to learn IA-64. I had lost the architecture battle: I was fighting for MC68030 based *nix workstations (so it is long ago!), but the department head overruled the decision preferred by the majority of the teaching and technical staff, demanding that we go for Intel. In my lectures, I did sneak in some examples from non-Intel architectures, but couldn't give the students exercizes on anything but IA-32. If Intel did a thorough cleanup with IA-64, it might be far easier to understand. I don't know. IA-32 gave me so many frustrations that I never wanted to touch another IA-whatever architecture. The only thing that is impressive about IA-32 is how they can make that mess spin around as fast as it does. You would think that interpreting hodgepodge of instruction and addressing formats, the MMS and everything, would take so many clock cycles than any other achitecture could easily beat it. The fact that IA-32 essentially knocked down all competiton proves one thing: The hardware implementation guys at Intel must be super clever. I wouldn't say the same about those guys drawing up the x86 architecture. But that was long ago, of course.
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Who claims that 32 bit is simple? I know it can be, but when I was teaching elementary computer architecture (as a software man, seeing architecture from a software man to software students) trying to explain the IA-32 mess has kept me forever away from attempting to learn IA-64. I had lost the architecture battle: I was fighting for MC68030 based *nix workstations (so it is long ago!), but the department head overruled the decision preferred by the majority of the teaching and technical staff, demanding that we go for Intel. In my lectures, I did sneak in some examples from non-Intel architectures, but couldn't give the students exercizes on anything but IA-32. If Intel did a thorough cleanup with IA-64, it might be far easier to understand. I don't know. IA-32 gave me so many frustrations that I never wanted to touch another IA-whatever architecture. The only thing that is impressive about IA-32 is how they can make that mess spin around as fast as it does. You would think that interpreting hodgepodge of instruction and addressing formats, the MMS and everything, would take so many clock cycles than any other achitecture could easily beat it. The fact that IA-32 essentially knocked down all competiton proves one thing: The hardware implementation guys at Intel must be super clever. I wouldn't say the same about those guys drawing up the x86 architecture. But that was long ago, of course.
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Translate your post to hexadecimal, you will see that IPV4 and your proposal are not straightforward as they look in decimal. Try to think as microcontroller.
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In the case of DNS failure, it has saved me quite a few times when DNS crashed, and DNS on a large scale can die too look at the DYN Denial of service attack that affected most of the east coast, also for me numbers seem to be easier to remember than names or strings depending on the complexity so IPv4 was simple enough to remember.
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IPv4, so simple, just four numbers from 0 to 255 giving the highest IP address as: 255.255.255.255 Some reserved, such as 192.168.0.0-255 or 192.168.1.0-255, and a few others I can't remember. So then, we run out of IPv4 addresses and we need another. If I had to do this, I would have first had "IPv5" with five sets: 255.255.255.255.255 - the IPv4 would be contained with 255.255.255.255.0, which is a heck of a lot more addresses! After that just 255.255.255.255.255.0, etc. Compatibility with older IPv4 addresses is simple, all IPv4 addresses are just "IPv5", "IPv6" or "IPv7", etc. with the last one, two or however many sets being 0. Simples! An IPv4 address or 123.234.123.234 would be represented in "IPv8" as 123.234.123.234.0.0.0.0 without any further complication! Why did they have to come up with a new, complex system that is not backwards compatible and is therefore much harder to implement and therefore not being taken up as quickly as it could have been? Your thoughts and deeper knowledge appreciated. [update] The zeroes could be leading instead of trailing, eg. 0.255.255.255.255
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
politics man (read economics). they make everything anew so that common people won't know how things work anymore. it is not allowed for people to know all, how the car, the computer, the internet, the washing machine... works. you have time to learn only one thing in life and for the rest of things you can only be a consumer. that thing moves the business, by making new things that brake how old things work. and those new things are going to be explained by a mass of new technical abbreviations and acronyms that have almost exactly the same meaning as the old ones, but these are brand new. and the hipsters are going to love this and show off. at the same time science is moving in the opposite direction. scientists are trying to discover the unified natural law that explains everything.
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politics man (read economics). they make everything anew so that common people won't know how things work anymore. it is not allowed for people to know all, how the car, the computer, the internet, the washing machine... works. you have time to learn only one thing in life and for the rest of things you can only be a consumer. that thing moves the business, by making new things that brake how old things work. and those new things are going to be explained by a mass of new technical abbreviations and acronyms that have almost exactly the same meaning as the old ones, but these are brand new. and the hipsters are going to love this and show off. at the same time science is moving in the opposite direction. scientists are trying to discover the unified natural law that explains everything.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
What annoys me most is that when I ping a domain name to find out its IP address, it sometimes comes up with an IPv6 address -- and there's no way in the fruggin' world I'm going to remember that!
All you need to remember is a single number: 4 ping -4 localhost Best Wishes, -David Delaune
Is that right? Cheers! I'll give it a try, next time a ping returns an ipv6 address.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Hey, get a real man's job, and you'll find out.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!