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  • L Lost User

    Forogar wrote:

    ...um, I hesitate to use the word "attack" as this is not what I want to propose.

    "boycott".

    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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    Forogar
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    "boycott" - a good word but too many negative connotations. "protest" - is not good in the same way. "lobby" - feels too political and therefore negative also.

    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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    • F Forogar

      "boycott" - a good word but too many negative connotations. "protest" - is not good in the same way. "lobby" - feels too political and therefore negative also.

      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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      Lost User
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      Maybe we should impose sanctions? Anyhow, it worked before. After enough complaints, Clippy was removed :thumbsup:

      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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      • L Lost User

        Maybe we should impose sanctions? Anyhow, it worked before. After enough complaints, Clippy was removed :thumbsup:

        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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        OriginalGriff
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        But not tattooed on every square centimetre of the skin of the guy who thought him up, then each centimetre slowly penetrated with a genuine (but red hot) paperclip until he died screaming in agony. Which is what I asked for.

        Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          But not tattooed on every square centimetre of the skin of the guy who thought him up, then each centimetre slowly penetrated with a genuine (but red hot) paperclip until he died screaming in agony. Which is what I asked for.

          Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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          Lost User
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          Hi, it looks like you're writing a letter :-D

          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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          • L Lost User

            Hi, it looks like you're writing a letter :-D

            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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            OriginalGriff
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            Obligatory Clippy[^]

            Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
            "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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            • S Slacker007

              Count me in, as long as the raid loot is spread across the team evenly. :) need good tanks, healers, and damage dealers. They have some nasty bosses, so good tanks to draw aggro is advised.

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              CodeWraith
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              Bring along some torches!

              I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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              • C CodeWraith

                I would prefer the traditional method. It's more fun. Let's go to Redmond in person and build some battering rams, seige towers, trebuchets....

                I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                Mike Hankey
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                I volunteer to operate the Trebuchet!

                I'm currently unsupervised, I know it freaks me out too! JaxCoder.com

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                • S Slacker007

                  Count me in, as long as the raid loot is spread across the team evenly. :) need good tanks, healers, and damage dealers. They have some nasty bosses, so good tanks to draw aggro is advised.

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                  Dr Walt Fair PE
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                  Wecould ravage the offices, women, etc, just like a good old Viking raid

                  Sounds like fun day!

                  CQ de W5ALT

                  Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                  • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                    I volunteer to operate the Trebuchet!

                    I'm currently unsupervised, I know it freaks me out too! JaxCoder.com

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                    CodeWraith
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                    Great! Just don't drop the stones on your feet. They are really heavy. I know just the right place to order the adequate outfit. What are our team colors? Green and orange?

                    I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                    • C CodeWraith

                      I would prefer the traditional method. It's more fun. Let's go to Redmond in person and build some battering rams, seige towers, trebuchets....

                      I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                      GuyThiebaut
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                      How about a wooden rabbit?[^]

                      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                      ― Christopher Hitchens

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                      • G GuyThiebaut

                        How about a wooden rabbit?[^]

                        “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                        ― Christopher Hitchens

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                        CodeWraith
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                        Don't need the link for that one. If we do that, we must be sure to be in it and get out right after we are inside. And since it's Mickeysoft, we should change the design to a mouse.

                        I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                        • C CodeWraith

                          I would prefer the traditional method. It's more fun. Let's go to Redmond in person and build some battering rams, seige towers, trebuchets....

                          I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                          RickZeeland
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                          Yeah, we want to be free to do what we want to do :cool: "Loaded" by Primal Scream - YouTube[^]

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                          • F Forogar

                            Don't you wish this could happen? Microsoft only listens to complaints when enough people complain about the same thing. With nearly 14 million of us, Code Project members could put in a lot of complaints if we wanted to. The trick would be to organise the plan of ...um, I hesitate to use the word "attack" as this is not what I want to propose. However, if we could, amongst ourselves arrange to all send in a complaint about a particular bug, feature or lack of one, perhaps we could get some results. I would suggest we limit ourselves to something actually achievable, not, for instance, "Replacing Windows 10 with Windows 7 again", which would be lovely but M$ is unlikely to take any notice unless all 500+ million supposedly happy users requested it. We have the skills to auto-generate messages on the appropriate complaint message boards or fill out the bug reports. If enough members signed up to petition M$ on something we could generate the request messages for them and send them in. A couple of million requests, all for the same thing might have some impact. A bit like bots but with invested people and good intentions. Opinions?

                            - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                            Mark_Wallace
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                            Sounds nice in theory. The only problem is that, although there might be 14 million of us, getting even 14 developers to agree on what is top priority is a nigh-on impossible task.

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                            • L Lost User

                              Sorry, but that is effectively a spam attack, because a large percentage of such a group would probably be of the "meh" opinion.

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                              Mark_Wallace
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                              Spam? I'd call it a revolution. And one that's well past time, at that.

                              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                              • G GuyThiebaut

                                How about a wooden rabbit?[^]

                                “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                Lost User
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                                GuyThiebaut wrote:

                                How about a wooden rabbit?[^]

                                ...and now I know who will taunt them some more. Now remember, Your mother was a hamster, and your father semelt of elderberries.

                                Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                                • C CodeWraith

                                  I would prefer the traditional method. It's more fun. Let's go to Redmond in person and build some battering rams, seige towers, trebuchets....

                                  I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

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                                  dandy72
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                                  CodeWraith wrote:

                                  traditional

                                  How old are you?

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                                  • F Forogar

                                    Don't you wish this could happen? Microsoft only listens to complaints when enough people complain about the same thing. With nearly 14 million of us, Code Project members could put in a lot of complaints if we wanted to. The trick would be to organise the plan of ...um, I hesitate to use the word "attack" as this is not what I want to propose. However, if we could, amongst ourselves arrange to all send in a complaint about a particular bug, feature or lack of one, perhaps we could get some results. I would suggest we limit ourselves to something actually achievable, not, for instance, "Replacing Windows 10 with Windows 7 again", which would be lovely but M$ is unlikely to take any notice unless all 500+ million supposedly happy users requested it. We have the skills to auto-generate messages on the appropriate complaint message boards or fill out the bug reports. If enough members signed up to petition M$ on something we could generate the request messages for them and send them in. A couple of million requests, all for the same thing might have some impact. A bit like bots but with invested people and good intentions. Opinions?

                                    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                    Nelek
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                                    Correction... we are nearly 14 million users... Maybe 1 million developers?

                                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                    • F Forogar

                                      Don't you wish this could happen? Microsoft only listens to complaints when enough people complain about the same thing. With nearly 14 million of us, Code Project members could put in a lot of complaints if we wanted to. The trick would be to organise the plan of ...um, I hesitate to use the word "attack" as this is not what I want to propose. However, if we could, amongst ourselves arrange to all send in a complaint about a particular bug, feature or lack of one, perhaps we could get some results. I would suggest we limit ourselves to something actually achievable, not, for instance, "Replacing Windows 10 with Windows 7 again", which would be lovely but M$ is unlikely to take any notice unless all 500+ million supposedly happy users requested it. We have the skills to auto-generate messages on the appropriate complaint message boards or fill out the bug reports. If enough members signed up to petition M$ on something we could generate the request messages for them and send them in. A couple of million requests, all for the same thing might have some impact. A bit like bots but with invested people and good intentions. Opinions?

                                      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                      Mycroft Holmes
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                                      You've got buckleys, apathy will kill the idea before it gets going. However you might try something like the weekly survey, The weekly BUG, but your numbers are going to be insignificant. Propose a bug, get votes on board, have CP present it to MS. I'm pretty sure CM has a good pipeline into MS by now.

                                      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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                                      • F Forogar

                                        Don't you wish this could happen? Microsoft only listens to complaints when enough people complain about the same thing. With nearly 14 million of us, Code Project members could put in a lot of complaints if we wanted to. The trick would be to organise the plan of ...um, I hesitate to use the word "attack" as this is not what I want to propose. However, if we could, amongst ourselves arrange to all send in a complaint about a particular bug, feature or lack of one, perhaps we could get some results. I would suggest we limit ourselves to something actually achievable, not, for instance, "Replacing Windows 10 with Windows 7 again", which would be lovely but M$ is unlikely to take any notice unless all 500+ million supposedly happy users requested it. We have the skills to auto-generate messages on the appropriate complaint message boards or fill out the bug reports. If enough members signed up to petition M$ on something we could generate the request messages for them and send them in. A couple of million requests, all for the same thing might have some impact. A bit like bots but with invested people and good intentions. Opinions?

                                        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                        User 13269747
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                                        You sound like someone with stockholm syndrome. Instead of arranging petitions to force a vendor to change, why not simply switch to something else? This is literally how it works with everything else - if a product sucks consumers move to another product.

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          GuyThiebaut wrote:

                                          How about a wooden rabbit?[^]

                                          ...and now I know who will taunt them some more. Now remember, Your mother was a hamster, and your father semelt of elderberries.

                                          Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                                          GuyThiebaut
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                                          This time maybe we should fart in their general direction.

                                          “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                          ― Christopher Hitchens

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