Mass complaints by developers cause Microsoft to change.
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Don't you wish this could happen? Microsoft only listens to complaints when enough people complain about the same thing. With nearly 14 million of us, Code Project members could put in a lot of complaints if we wanted to. The trick would be to organise the plan of ...um, I hesitate to use the word "attack" as this is not what I want to propose. However, if we could, amongst ourselves arrange to all send in a complaint about a particular bug, feature or lack of one, perhaps we could get some results. I would suggest we limit ourselves to something actually achievable, not, for instance, "Replacing Windows 10 with Windows 7 again", which would be lovely but M$ is unlikely to take any notice unless all 500+ million supposedly happy users requested it. We have the skills to auto-generate messages on the appropriate complaint message boards or fill out the bug reports. If enough members signed up to petition M$ on something we could generate the request messages for them and send them in. A couple of million requests, all for the same thing might have some impact. A bit like bots but with invested people and good intentions. Opinions?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Remember, people like Code Project members made Windows 10 happen.
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Don't you wish this could happen? Microsoft only listens to complaints when enough people complain about the same thing. With nearly 14 million of us, Code Project members could put in a lot of complaints if we wanted to. The trick would be to organise the plan of ...um, I hesitate to use the word "attack" as this is not what I want to propose. However, if we could, amongst ourselves arrange to all send in a complaint about a particular bug, feature or lack of one, perhaps we could get some results. I would suggest we limit ourselves to something actually achievable, not, for instance, "Replacing Windows 10 with Windows 7 again", which would be lovely but M$ is unlikely to take any notice unless all 500+ million supposedly happy users requested it. We have the skills to auto-generate messages on the appropriate complaint message boards or fill out the bug reports. If enough members signed up to petition M$ on something we could generate the request messages for them and send them in. A couple of million requests, all for the same thing might have some impact. A bit like bots but with invested people and good intentions. Opinions?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Oh please do not be so scared! That can be called much more suitable than the bad word! It's not an _attack_! As a matter of principle, it would only be one thing: _"Democratic expression with an organized media protest"_. Right? :)
Something about which we often break our head: "In the name of the Compiler, the Stack, and the Bug-Free Code. Amen." (source unknown)
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Don't you wish this could happen? Microsoft only listens to complaints when enough people complain about the same thing. With nearly 14 million of us, Code Project members could put in a lot of complaints if we wanted to. The trick would be to organise the plan of ...um, I hesitate to use the word "attack" as this is not what I want to propose. However, if we could, amongst ourselves arrange to all send in a complaint about a particular bug, feature or lack of one, perhaps we could get some results. I would suggest we limit ourselves to something actually achievable, not, for instance, "Replacing Windows 10 with Windows 7 again", which would be lovely but M$ is unlikely to take any notice unless all 500+ million supposedly happy users requested it. We have the skills to auto-generate messages on the appropriate complaint message boards or fill out the bug reports. If enough members signed up to petition M$ on something we could generate the request messages for them and send them in. A couple of million requests, all for the same thing might have some impact. A bit like bots but with invested people and good intentions. Opinions?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Forogar wrote:
With nearly 14 million of us, Code Project members could put in a lot of complaints if we wanted to. The trick would be to organise the plan of ...um, I hesitate to use the word "attack" as this is not what I want to propose.
Oh please do not be so scared! That can be called much more suitable than the bad word! It's not an _attack_! As a matter of principle, it would only be one thing: _"Democratic expression with an organized media protest"_. Right? :)
Something about which we often break our head: "In the name of the Compiler, the Stack, and the Bug-Free Code. Amen." (source unknown)
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You sound like someone with stockholm syndrome. Instead of arranging petitions to force a vendor to change, why not simply switch to something else? This is literally how it works with everything else - if a product sucks consumers move to another product.
Precisely. However, who makes better Products than Microsoft?
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Remember, people like Code Project members made Windows 10 happen.
Peter Adam wrote:
people like Code Project members made Windows 10 happen.
:confused: It wasn't going to happen on its own?
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Don't you wish this could happen? Microsoft only listens to complaints when enough people complain about the same thing. With nearly 14 million of us, Code Project members could put in a lot of complaints if we wanted to. The trick would be to organise the plan of ...um, I hesitate to use the word "attack" as this is not what I want to propose. However, if we could, amongst ourselves arrange to all send in a complaint about a particular bug, feature or lack of one, perhaps we could get some results. I would suggest we limit ourselves to something actually achievable, not, for instance, "Replacing Windows 10 with Windows 7 again", which would be lovely but M$ is unlikely to take any notice unless all 500+ million supposedly happy users requested it. We have the skills to auto-generate messages on the appropriate complaint message boards or fill out the bug reports. If enough members signed up to petition M$ on something we could generate the request messages for them and send them in. A couple of million requests, all for the same thing might have some impact. A bit like bots but with invested people and good intentions. Opinions?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Forogar wrote:
Don't you wish this could happen?
No.
Forogar wrote:
Microsoft only listens to complaints when enough people complain about the same thing.
Which is true for most companies. You have to prioritize. People complain so much about Microsoft but I don't see how they are any different than any other company of any product. Oh, except for the fact that they make it easier than anyone else to develop their products and make them better, creating millions of great careers in this world.
Forogar wrote:
Opinions?
Y'all are doing something wrong. Every other version of Windows is terrible but then they get it fixed by the next version. Other than that, all of their software works perfectly for me. I don't know what you all are doing. :^)
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Peter Adam wrote:
people like Code Project members made Windows 10 happen.
:confused: It wasn't going to happen on its own?
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Bring along some torches!
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
CodeWraith wrote:
Bring along some torches!
Just make sure you keep the order of operations correct. [Pillage Then Burn](https://www.schlockmercenary.com/blog/finish-your-pillaging-its-time-to-burn/)
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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CodeWraith wrote:
Bring along some torches!
Just make sure you keep the order of operations correct. [Pillage Then Burn](https://www.schlockmercenary.com/blog/finish-your-pillaging-its-time-to-burn/)
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Yesterday I played Fallout 4 and had some Supermutants [^] coming for a visit. The leader had this document[^] with their orders with him.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Don't you wish this could happen? Microsoft only listens to complaints when enough people complain about the same thing. With nearly 14 million of us, Code Project members could put in a lot of complaints if we wanted to. The trick would be to organise the plan of ...um, I hesitate to use the word "attack" as this is not what I want to propose. However, if we could, amongst ourselves arrange to all send in a complaint about a particular bug, feature or lack of one, perhaps we could get some results. I would suggest we limit ourselves to something actually achievable, not, for instance, "Replacing Windows 10 with Windows 7 again", which would be lovely but M$ is unlikely to take any notice unless all 500+ million supposedly happy users requested it. We have the skills to auto-generate messages on the appropriate complaint message boards or fill out the bug reports. If enough members signed up to petition M$ on something we could generate the request messages for them and send them in. A couple of million requests, all for the same thing might have some impact. A bit like bots but with invested people and good intentions. Opinions?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Peter Adam wrote:
people like Code Project members made Windows 10 happen.
:confused: It wasn't going to happen on its own?
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No. It was the reply to the Linux fans here (see influencer) who bashed Microsoft on every occasion to be slow to deliver code. Also they were early adopters, instantly downloading and installing every "fix" and "feature" they were provided by by their favorite distro. So, the rest got forced updates, constant change of UI and else to satisfy these influencers. But, since Linux is religion, with first commandment "Linux is better than Windows, at any given moment", Microsoft achieved nothing, and the rest of the world swallows.
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Yesterday I played Fallout 4 and had some Supermutants [^] coming for a visit. The leader had this document[^] with their orders with him.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
I obviously need a break when any document with a RETURN at the end looks like the back-of-beermat draft for a new method. :)
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Sounds nice in theory. The only problem is that, although there might be 14 million of us, getting even 14 developers to agree on what is top priority is a nigh-on impossible task.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
getting even 14 developers to agree on what is top priority is a nigh-on impossible task.
No problem. Bacon, anyone?
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Don't you wish this could happen? Microsoft only listens to complaints when enough people complain about the same thing. With nearly 14 million of us, Code Project members could put in a lot of complaints if we wanted to. The trick would be to organise the plan of ...um, I hesitate to use the word "attack" as this is not what I want to propose. However, if we could, amongst ourselves arrange to all send in a complaint about a particular bug, feature or lack of one, perhaps we could get some results. I would suggest we limit ourselves to something actually achievable, not, for instance, "Replacing Windows 10 with Windows 7 again", which would be lovely but M$ is unlikely to take any notice unless all 500+ million supposedly happy users requested it. We have the skills to auto-generate messages on the appropriate complaint message boards or fill out the bug reports. If enough members signed up to petition M$ on something we could generate the request messages for them and send them in. A couple of million requests, all for the same thing might have some impact. A bit like bots but with invested people and good intentions. Opinions?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
The first problem is getting consensus. So is the second, third and fourth.
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Precisely. However, who makes better Products than Microsoft?
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However, who makes better Products than Microsoft?
Just about everyone, IME. In fact, some of Microsoft's products were literally so bad that they killed them off in favour of open source alternatives. TFVC was such a dumpster-fire that MS bought github instead of trying to fix it. Windows Mobile was so bad that it caused the largest phone manufacturer to become the smallest phone manufacturer in less than 18 months. Windows CE was such a pain to use that every single embedded device OS uses something else (more often than not, Linux). Right now I think it might even be officially dead from Microsoft. Their edge browser engine was so unfixable they simply replaced it with one they didn't write. Their OS, in general, is so unsuitable for cloud computing that, right now, there are more Linux instances on Azure than their are Windows instances on Azure. So, yeah, other than a few outliers that really are humdingers in terms of revenue, the majority of their stuff is simply ignored by the world. C# appears to be one thing they got correct. Lets see how long it is before a new boss comes in to MS and f***s it up.
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However, who makes better Products than Microsoft?
Just about everyone, IME. In fact, some of Microsoft's products were literally so bad that they killed them off in favour of open source alternatives. TFVC was such a dumpster-fire that MS bought github instead of trying to fix it. Windows Mobile was so bad that it caused the largest phone manufacturer to become the smallest phone manufacturer in less than 18 months. Windows CE was such a pain to use that every single embedded device OS uses something else (more often than not, Linux). Right now I think it might even be officially dead from Microsoft. Their edge browser engine was so unfixable they simply replaced it with one they didn't write. Their OS, in general, is so unsuitable for cloud computing that, right now, there are more Linux instances on Azure than their are Windows instances on Azure. So, yeah, other than a few outliers that really are humdingers in terms of revenue, the majority of their stuff is simply ignored by the world. C# appears to be one thing they got correct. Lets see how long it is before a new boss comes in to MS and f***s it up.
Member 13301679 wrote:
Just about everyone
Nobody makes a better office suite nor a better OS. Development tools by Microsoft far outshine anyone else. They pioneered touch-screen. Version Control in TFS is better than the others. Your opinion is different than mine but the fact that they still run the software speaks volumes.
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Member 13301679 wrote:
Just about everyone
Nobody makes a better office suite nor a better OS. Development tools by Microsoft far outshine anyone else. They pioneered touch-screen. Version Control in TFS is better than the others. Your opinion is different than mine but the fact that they still run the software speaks volumes.
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Well, you asked who makes better software than Microsoft, and I gave a few examples of the top of my head where they make poor software. I also said they have a few humdinger cash-cows (i.e. Windows, Office, Xbox and Azure). Even their OS is limited to desktop use almost exclusively, and that's because that's what came with the PC or that's what corporates buy. When users where given a choice to buy devices with or without Windows on them, they rejected Windows almost universally. On the desktop users get no choice. Everywhere else they chose something other than Windows.
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Well, you asked who makes better software than Microsoft, and I gave a few examples of the top of my head where they make poor software. I also said they have a few humdinger cash-cows (i.e. Windows, Office, Xbox and Azure). Even their OS is limited to desktop use almost exclusively, and that's because that's what came with the PC or that's what corporates buy. When users where given a choice to buy devices with or without Windows on them, they rejected Windows almost universally. On the desktop users get no choice. Everywhere else they chose something other than Windows.
Member 13301679 wrote:
they rejected Windows almost universally.
I bought a PC and installed Linux instead of Windows once. Worst computer mistake I've ever made. Windows is so many times better than Linux.
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Member 13301679 wrote:
they rejected Windows almost universally.
I bought a PC and installed Linux instead of Windows once. Worst computer mistake I've ever made. Windows is so many times better than Linux.
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Windows is so many times better than Linux.
Is that why Linux is preferred over Windows for supercomputers? Or for large HA clusters? Or small clusters? Or servers? Or high-resource workstations? Or tablets? Or phones? Or credit-card terminals? Or car on-board computers? Or car infotainment systems? Or industrial control systems? Or IoT devices? For the desktop, Windows is ubiquituous. Outside of that single, narrow space Linux has been chosen time and time again by industry over Windows offerings. Now, I've written software for Supercomputing clusters, for HA clusters, for phones, credit-card terminals, Industrial systems, IoT devices, factories, and even munitions control systems, and all of those systems run Linux, not Windows. On the desktop, the OS is allowed to be unreliable so Windows is great! When the software is controlling explosives, any failure mode is unacceptable and so Windows is very rarely seen. Now I'm glad that Windows works for you, and you seem to quite like it, but in pure numbers alone the number of Windows installations is a fraction of the number of Linux systems out there. Android (running on Linux, natch) alone has roughly twice as many users as MS Windows globally. Once Windows hits the numbers that Linux has, then we can actually compare them - now there is no point because Windows usage is so tiny compared to Linux usage.
