Reminder - Java Licensing Changes ($$$)
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https://upperedge.com/oracle/using-java-heres-how-oracles-new-2019-java-se-licensing-affects-you/[^] After 1.8 Build 201, Java is no longer free for commercial use. Got an app that runs on Java? Your customers will be paying Oracle a MONTHLY licensing fee, per seat, to run your app. Think about that. At 10,000 seats, that's a $1.50 each (fewer machines is more expensive.) So, $15,000 a month to run an app or $180,000/year. Oh, and they're stepping up their auditing of Java use. With .NET now multi-platform, maturing, AND FREE, how does this move make any sense?
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Dave KreskowiakCorrect me if I'm wrong, this applies to the newer Java releases or also to the projects that use old runtimes? Because we know how it will go...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, this applies to the newer Java releases or also to the projects that use old runtimes? Because we know how it will go...
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
I think Version 8 Update 201 is the last free version for commercial use. Update 211 and up now falls under the new licensing scheme. Developer and personal use is still free.
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https://upperedge.com/oracle/using-java-heres-how-oracles-new-2019-java-se-licensing-affects-you/[^] After 1.8 Build 201, Java is no longer free for commercial use. Got an app that runs on Java? Your customers will be paying Oracle a MONTHLY licensing fee, per seat, to run your app. Think about that. At 10,000 seats, that's a $1.50 each (fewer machines is more expensive.) So, $15,000 a month to run an app or $180,000/year. Oh, and they're stepping up their auditing of Java use. With .NET now multi-platform, maturing, AND FREE, how does this move make any sense?
Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
Dave KreskowiakWow. I have a few former customers, one known by a TLA, who are major users of Java for their manufacturing control systems. It's a perfect fit for them because they have about six or seven different platforms they support with essentially the same apps. I doubt they will be updating anytime soon. It seems that Oracle considers generating additional revenue to be a higher priority than keeping users up to date with the software or even the future of the language. Oh well.
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https://upperedge.com/oracle/using-java-heres-how-oracles-new-2019-java-se-licensing-affects-you/[^] After 1.8 Build 201, Java is no longer free for commercial use. Got an app that runs on Java? Your customers will be paying Oracle a MONTHLY licensing fee, per seat, to run your app. Think about that. At 10,000 seats, that's a $1.50 each (fewer machines is more expensive.) So, $15,000 a month to run an app or $180,000/year. Oh, and they're stepping up their auditing of Java use. With .NET now multi-platform, maturing, AND FREE, how does this move make any sense?
Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
Dave KreskowiakYay! The death of Java! :jig:
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https://upperedge.com/oracle/using-java-heres-how-oracles-new-2019-java-se-licensing-affects-you/[^] After 1.8 Build 201, Java is no longer free for commercial use. Got an app that runs on Java? Your customers will be paying Oracle a MONTHLY licensing fee, per seat, to run your app. Think about that. At 10,000 seats, that's a $1.50 each (fewer machines is more expensive.) So, $15,000 a month to run an app or $180,000/year. Oh, and they're stepping up their auditing of Java use. With .NET now multi-platform, maturing, AND FREE, how does this move make any sense?
Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
Dave KreskowiakOracle's has a penchant for buying products, charging royalties, offering poor support, and pretty much killing said product. MySQL devs better beware.
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Yay! The death of Java! :jig:
Latest Article - A 4-Stack rPI Cluster with WiFi-Ethernet Bridging Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Marc Clifton wrote:
Yay! The death of Java! [Dance]
But I suppose it won't take javascript with... :sigh:
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https://upperedge.com/oracle/using-java-heres-how-oracles-new-2019-java-se-licensing-affects-you/[^] After 1.8 Build 201, Java is no longer free for commercial use. Got an app that runs on Java? Your customers will be paying Oracle a MONTHLY licensing fee, per seat, to run your app. Think about that. At 10,000 seats, that's a $1.50 each (fewer machines is more expensive.) So, $15,000 a month to run an app or $180,000/year. Oh, and they're stepping up their auditing of Java use. With .NET now multi-platform, maturing, AND FREE, how does this move make any sense?
Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
Your customers will [...]
Forgive me but could it be like this: The "Java-license" is the developer license, not the end user JVM license? A lot of other languages, e.g. Scala, produce JVM bytecode. And if it was every JVM executable then not a single Android app on the planet would be free. I see no mention of JVM nor Android in the text. I do see "commercial users" though. I do agree it still kinda sucks, but does not appear to be on an elephanting end-user magnitude.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Your customers will [...]
Forgive me but could it be like this: The "Java-license" is the developer license, not the end user JVM license? A lot of other languages, e.g. Scala, produce JVM bytecode. And if it was every JVM executable then not a single Android app on the planet would be free. I see no mention of JVM nor Android in the text. I do see "commercial users" though. I do agree it still kinda sucks, but does not appear to be on an elephanting end-user magnitude.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
Nope. From the Java download page:
Quote:
The new Oracle Technology Network License Agreement for Oracle Java SE is substantially different from prior Oracle Java licenses. The new license permits certain uses, such as personal use and development use, at no cost -- but other uses authorized under prior Oracle Java licenses may no longer be available. Please review the terms carefully before downloading and using this product. An FAQ is available here.
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Nope. From the Java download page:
Quote:
The new Oracle Technology Network License Agreement for Oracle Java SE is substantially different from prior Oracle Java licenses. The new license permits certain uses, such as personal use and development use, at no cost -- but other uses authorized under prior Oracle Java licenses may no longer be available. Please review the terms carefully before downloading and using this product. An FAQ is available here.
Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
Dave KreskowiakJava SE is AFAIK the development environment. Not the compiled products. And phone apps are for personal use. I don't quite see how the quote disagrees with what I said. Or did you mean enterprise apps?
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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Java SE is AFAIK the development environment. Not the compiled products. And phone apps are for personal use. I don't quite see how the quote disagrees with what I said. Or did you mean enterprise apps?
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
Bingo! Enterprise apps.
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