I see Matt found a new friend
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There's a quote that it's the worst system, except all the others. But morons believing internet shit about AGW not being real, Muslims being evil and refugees being terrorists are making it worse
Who said AGW isnt real? I just told you it is, many many times. Let me repeat, man made CO2 has a mild and beneficial warming effect. Got it? And I said Islam is fascism. Not evil. Keep your childish sky fairy terms to your self please, and dont attribute them to others.
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Christian Graus wrote:
how can democracy function?
It doesn't, it's just better than all the alternatives we've tested. That's probably a quote of some kind BTW, I just can't be arsed to check.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
That's probably a quote of some kind BTW, I just can't be arsed to check.
Winston Churchill - Google "churchill on democracy"
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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There's a quote that it's the worst system, except all the others. But morons believing internet shit about AGW not being real, Muslims being evil and refugees being terrorists are making it worse
Oh, and in case you are actually interested in a grown up discussion about Islam this is what I am talking about: International propagation of Salafism and Wahhabism - Wikipedia[^] Petro dollars are funding Wahhabi mosques and madrassas around the globe, resulting in the increasing extremism of Islam in many countries. You might be interested in the fact that the black face covering worn by women in Saudi Arabia is used increasingly globally. This gives you a clue that the influence of Wahhabi Islam is spreading. It is like a cancer in Islam. IT is quite possible for most muslims to live moderately and at peace with other religions, but with this cancer at their heart driving their global agenda (and we can include the Muslim Brotherhood here too) what chance does the passive majority have of seeing their wishes fulfilled? Never is the answer. Let me quote Churchill for you: "A fervent minority will displace a complacent majority" Muslims in the west might well want to live peacefully, but clearly they are incapable of policing Islam. Let me highlight that for you. Peaceful muslims are incapable of policing Islam. Do you understand what I mean by that? I said it to a muslim I used to work with once and he had no idea (indicating just how out of touch he was). Islam if it wants to be seen as a peaceful religion MUST control, exclude, and limit it's violent extremist sects. If not the entire religion will be tarred with the same brush and we will have to police Islam for them. And that means us deciding what aspects of it are and are not acceptable in the west. Of course hopefully the moderate muslims can succeed, and do this for themselves, but since they are often persecuted for the moderism by fellow muslims, listen to Tawhidi on thisReforming Islam (Imam Tawhidi Interview) - YouTube[^], and attacked just for wearing a santa hat: Boxer Amir Khan is accused of being 'unIslamic' over Christmas photo | Daily Mail Online[
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There's a quote that it's the worst system, except all the others. But morons believing internet shit about AGW not being real, Muslims being evil and refugees being terrorists are making it worse
Let's not forget about other morons believing internet shit about AGW destroying the planet in 12 years (because some "scientist" with a big fat grant said so), all Muslims (even the ones flying planes into buildings and blowing up churches) are just poor misunderstood angels and all refugees have a god given right to live anywhere and can cross sovereign borders at will.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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No it doesnt. Venus has an atmosphere 100 times as thick as the earth. Its surface temperature is to do with pressure, not CO2. Mars has an almost pure CO2 atmosphere too yet its surface is cold. It has very low atmospheric pressure.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Its surface temperature is to do with pressure, not CO2.
By the amount.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
It has very low atmospheric pressure.
And is a bit further from the nearest star. Impressed by the amount of idiots that actually vote you up :D
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
CO2 causes mild warming and is a benefit to the planet.
In low doses, yes. In higher doses, it becomes a greenhouse, like Venus. Same NASA.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Don't bother him with reality.....
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Let's not forget about other morons believing internet shit about AGW destroying the planet in 12 years (because some "scientist" with a big fat grant said so), all Muslims (even the ones flying planes into buildings and blowing up churches) are just poor misunderstood angels and all refugees have a god given right to live anywhere and can cross sovereign borders at will.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
Hey Mike. I remember you being right wing enough to buy in to the Trump kool aide. How have you been? What's interesting to me about the right is that they either are stupid, or they are too dishonest to correctly state my views. I presume you're merely misinformed, so I'll clarify for you. AGW and it's harm on the earth is visible today. It's easy to see. But, either way, smart people believe experts over Alan Jones I believe there's been one incident of planes in buildings, over a decade ago. Either way, I've never met a person who suggests that Islamic terrorists are 'misunderstood angels', that's an example of the simple mindedness of the right. The Muslims must all be good, or all bad. The world can't have nuance. That's too confusing. Yes, refugees do have a right to live and a right to cross borders IF the country signed the refugee convention, they immediately present themselves to authorities and submit to processing, and prove their claims. This is in fact international law.
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Sir Winston always said it best.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
He said some pretty dreadful things as well....
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Its surface temperature is to do with pressure, not CO2.
By the amount.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
It has very low atmospheric pressure.
And is a bit further from the nearest star. Impressed by the amount of idiots that actually vote you up :D
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
And is a bit further from the nearest star.
So you are now saying it is insolation that is behind surface temperature and not CO2?
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Don't bother him with reality.....
Venus has a surface temperature of about 450 C It has a very slow rotation, about 80 earth days long. During that time the surface temperature does not vary. NOw what does that tell you about the surface temperature being driven by the greenhouse effect which starts with the surface being heated by the sun?
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There's a quote that it's the worst system, except all the others. But morons believing internet shit about AGW not being real, Muslims being evil and refugees being terrorists are making it worse
Hmm? Cant you answer my post above or is it too grown up for you?
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Oh, and in case you are actually interested in a grown up discussion about Islam this is what I am talking about: International propagation of Salafism and Wahhabism - Wikipedia[^] Petro dollars are funding Wahhabi mosques and madrassas around the globe, resulting in the increasing extremism of Islam in many countries. You might be interested in the fact that the black face covering worn by women in Saudi Arabia is used increasingly globally. This gives you a clue that the influence of Wahhabi Islam is spreading. It is like a cancer in Islam. IT is quite possible for most muslims to live moderately and at peace with other religions, but with this cancer at their heart driving their global agenda (and we can include the Muslim Brotherhood here too) what chance does the passive majority have of seeing their wishes fulfilled? Never is the answer. Let me quote Churchill for you: "A fervent minority will displace a complacent majority" Muslims in the west might well want to live peacefully, but clearly they are incapable of policing Islam. Let me highlight that for you. Peaceful muslims are incapable of policing Islam. Do you understand what I mean by that? I said it to a muslim I used to work with once and he had no idea (indicating just how out of touch he was). Islam if it wants to be seen as a peaceful religion MUST control, exclude, and limit it's violent extremist sects. If not the entire religion will be tarred with the same brush and we will have to police Islam for them. And that means us deciding what aspects of it are and are not acceptable in the west. Of course hopefully the moderate muslims can succeed, and do this for themselves, but since they are often persecuted for the moderism by fellow muslims, listen to Tawhidi on thisReforming Islam (Imam Tawhidi Interview) - YouTube[^], and attacked just for wearing a santa hat: Boxer Amir Khan is accused of being 'unIslamic' over Christmas photo | Daily Mail Online[
I just saw this bullshit
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Muslims in the west might well want to live peacefully, but clearly they are incapable of policing Islam.
Correct. Like I'm incapable of policing my government when they kill refugees, or Catholics when they rape children. So what?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Islam if it wants to be seen as a peaceful religion MUST control, exclude, and limit it's violent extremist sects.
This is a fake test that bigots like you would never impose on Buddhists or Christians
Munchies_Matt wrote:
listen to Tawhidi on thisReforming Islam (Imam Tawhidi Interview) - YouTube[^],
Tawhidi is not a Muslim, let alone an Imam. He's a dumb bigot. The simple fact is. you're totally wrong. The guy running the local kebab store does not need to control or apologise for ISIS. If he's not ISIS, he has every right to follow his peaceful brand of Islam in peace
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I just saw this bullshit
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Muslims in the west might well want to live peacefully, but clearly they are incapable of policing Islam.
Correct. Like I'm incapable of policing my government when they kill refugees, or Catholics when they rape children. So what?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Islam if it wants to be seen as a peaceful religion MUST control, exclude, and limit it's violent extremist sects.
This is a fake test that bigots like you would never impose on Buddhists or Christians
Munchies_Matt wrote:
listen to Tawhidi on thisReforming Islam (Imam Tawhidi Interview) - YouTube[^],
Tawhidi is not a Muslim, let alone an Imam. He's a dumb bigot. The simple fact is. you're totally wrong. The guy running the local kebab store does not need to control or apologise for ISIS. If he's not ISIS, he has every right to follow his peaceful brand of Islam in peace
Christian Graus wrote:
Like I'm incapable of policing my government
You can protest, raise petitions, etc and finally you can bear arms. That is literally what we in the west HAVE done for centuries to create a stable and successful society.
Christian Graus wrote:
Catholics when they rape children.
It is ILLEGAL! DOnt you get it? WHat the fuck has an illegal act in western law got to do with Islam not policing its extremist tendencies!!!! Dear oh god you are a feeble libtard apologist! 'Ohh, catholics rape children, therefore we are just as bad as muslims!' For fucks sake grow up.
Christian Graus wrote:
This is a fake test that bigots like you would never impose on Buddhists or Christians
WTF? It is covered by LAW!!!!! All we have to do is impose UK LAW on muslims!!!! The SAME LAW that is applied to Catholics and Bhhudists!!!! For fucks sake try to say something at least slightly intelligent.
Christian Graus wrote:
Tawhidi is not a Muslim
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Of course, the great and mighty Graus decides who isnt a muslims and who is. Tell me, why ISNT he a muslim according to you, because he is a moderate? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: YOu actually think a moderate Imam who would modernise Islam is a dumb bigot. Are you actually a fundamental muslim yourself, becuase the ONLY people who attack him are.
Christian Graus wrote:
he has every right to follow his peaceful brand of Islam in peace
Who said he hasnt?
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Hey Mike. I remember you being right wing enough to buy in to the Trump kool aide. How have you been? What's interesting to me about the right is that they either are stupid, or they are too dishonest to correctly state my views. I presume you're merely misinformed, so I'll clarify for you. AGW and it's harm on the earth is visible today. It's easy to see. But, either way, smart people believe experts over Alan Jones I believe there's been one incident of planes in buildings, over a decade ago. Either way, I've never met a person who suggests that Islamic terrorists are 'misunderstood angels', that's an example of the simple mindedness of the right. The Muslims must all be good, or all bad. The world can't have nuance. That's too confusing. Yes, refugees do have a right to live and a right to cross borders IF the country signed the refugee convention, they immediately present themselves to authorities and submit to processing, and prove their claims. This is in fact international law.
Christian Graus wrote:
AGW and it's harm on the earth is visible today
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: BULLSHIT! Name one single incident where the 0.8C average temperature rise over the last century has caused no harm where the 0.5 C rise since 1960 has. (Remember, the warming pre 1960 was natural, and therefore according to you can not be harmful since you said 'A'GW)
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I just saw this bullshit
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Muslims in the west might well want to live peacefully, but clearly they are incapable of policing Islam.
Correct. Like I'm incapable of policing my government when they kill refugees, or Catholics when they rape children. So what?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Islam if it wants to be seen as a peaceful religion MUST control, exclude, and limit it's violent extremist sects.
This is a fake test that bigots like you would never impose on Buddhists or Christians
Munchies_Matt wrote:
listen to Tawhidi on thisReforming Islam (Imam Tawhidi Interview) - YouTube[^],
Tawhidi is not a Muslim, let alone an Imam. He's a dumb bigot. The simple fact is. you're totally wrong. The guy running the local kebab store does not need to control or apologise for ISIS. If he's not ISIS, he has every right to follow his peaceful brand of Islam in peace
Christian Graus wrote:
Tawhidi is not a Muslim, let alone an Imam. He's a dumb bigot.
You are a Sunni muslim arent you? There is no other reason you would hate a Shia Imam. That explains everything. When did you convert and what made you?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
And is a bit further from the nearest star.
So you are now saying it is insolation that is behind surface temperature and not CO2?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
So you are now saying
No, thats you putting words in my mouth and twisting. You can build a greenhouse on Pluto, it will still be cold. Venus is not heated by its own mass.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
So you are now saying
No, thats you putting words in my mouth and twisting. You can build a greenhouse on Pluto, it will still be cold. Venus is not heated by its own mass.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Of course it isnt, it is heated by the sun. Why is it colder with altitude Eddy?
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Of course it isnt, it is heated by the sun. Why is it colder with altitude Eddy?
Distance, not altitude. Also a lot less atmosphere, caused by the solar winds. If Venus did not have some magnetic field, it would have been stripped too.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Distance, not altitude. Also a lot less atmosphere, caused by the solar winds. If Venus did not have some magnetic field, it would have been stripped too.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Of course solar radiation lessens with distance, I am asking you why it is colder with altitude. Why is it?
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Hey Mike. I remember you being right wing enough to buy in to the Trump kool aide. How have you been? What's interesting to me about the right is that they either are stupid, or they are too dishonest to correctly state my views. I presume you're merely misinformed, so I'll clarify for you. AGW and it's harm on the earth is visible today. It's easy to see. But, either way, smart people believe experts over Alan Jones I believe there's been one incident of planes in buildings, over a decade ago. Either way, I've never met a person who suggests that Islamic terrorists are 'misunderstood angels', that's an example of the simple mindedness of the right. The Muslims must all be good, or all bad. The world can't have nuance. That's too confusing. Yes, refugees do have a right to live and a right to cross borders IF the country signed the refugee convention, they immediately present themselves to authorities and submit to processing, and prove their claims. This is in fact international law.
Christian Graus wrote:
How have you been?
Just fine...
Christian Graus wrote:
I remember you being right wing enough to buy in to the Trump kool aide.
...and I remember you being arrogant enough that you accuse anyone who doesn't believe the same exact crap as you of being stupid or lying. How have you been? ;P That being said I haven't drank the Trump "kool-aid". He's arrogant, bombastic and likes to exaggerate A LOT. I disagree with some of his policies. On the other hand, I agree with many of his policies and prefer him over Obama, Clinton or any of the current crop of leftist candidates.
Christian Graus wrote:
What's interesting to me about the right is that they either are stupid, or they are too dishonest to correctly state my views.
Ummm... I wasn't stating your views - I was pointing out the opinions of some people on the fringe of a political view and presenting them as if everyone with that political view believed them. Just like you were doing... :rolleyes:
Christian Graus wrote:
I've never met a person who suggests that Islamic terrorists are 'misunderstood angels', that's an example of the simple mindedness of the right
You need to get out more. I see plenty of people making excuses for all manner of atrocities.
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, refugees do have a right to live
Speaking of simple mindedness of the left... where did I or anyone claim otherwise?
Christian Graus wrote:
a right to cross borders IF the country signed the refugee convention, they immediately present themselves to authorities and submit to processing, and prove their claims. This is in fact international law.
There is more to it than that. Being poor does not make someone a refugee. Refugees don't get to cross multiple borders (passing through perfectly good countries) to get to their preferred destination.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is th