Switch to a 4-day week?
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RickZeeland wrote:
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I suppose it mostly depends on who your customers are and what your role is. I'm self-employed and work from home, so I'm basically 'on call' 24/5. Luckily, the majority of my customers are within a time zone and operate 'normal' business hours. (8-5) Also, through years of hard work, current products are stable and don't require a great deal of support. :)
Forogar wrote:
How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
To be honest, I think I would wind up working anyway. The truth is, over 10 years ago due to IRS problems and an addiction to golf, I found a Saturday job where I was unsupervised and that allowed me to spend 90% of my time working on my laptop. About a year ago I tried to quit the Saturday job but they begged me to at least work a couple of days a month, so I agreed. (it all goes to taxes anyway) Another truth...there's been many weekends doing the yardwork where I look forward to Monday! Maybe I'm a workaholic, but they won't let me quit!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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an addiction to golf
That must have been Volkswagen Golf :rolleyes:
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Until recently, I was working a 4-day week, each day being 10 hours long to make up the standard 40-hour week. I completed all my projects on time and no loss of productivity ensued. Actually, since I invariably made dentist, doctors, etc. appointments always on my days off there was less unscheduled time off. I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday) and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days - unlikely to happen as it is the government and they have pretty fixed rules. This makes me wonder how many organisations could switch to four day weeks without any loss of productivity, and perhaps an increase? Even those who work from home may benefit from an extra day they are not required to answer the telephone. How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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an addiction to golf
That must have been Volkswagen Golf :rolleyes:
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Around 94 I was working half-time. 40-hour-weeks. Every second week. That made for 9 consecutive days off. Every second week. Was nice :beer:
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For most of '96 and '97 I worked 12 hour shifts with every other Sunday off. (union rules) I was a machine operator at a box plant...running a 2 color flexographic/die-cutter/folder/gluer. For those two years, the 2nd shift position was vacant/training mostly due to hiring people off the street with no experience. It was good money and no time to spend it. I wasn't single when it started, but I was at the end...that was a good thing! :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Until recently, I was working a 4-day week, each day being 10 hours long to make up the standard 40-hour week. I completed all my projects on time and no loss of productivity ensued. Actually, since I invariably made dentist, doctors, etc. appointments always on my days off there was less unscheduled time off. I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday) and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days - unlikely to happen as it is the government and they have pretty fixed rules. This makes me wonder how many organisations could switch to four day weeks without any loss of productivity, and perhaps an increase? Even those who work from home may benefit from an extra day they are not required to answer the telephone. How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
I would love it, but the cynic in me fears it would, over time, lead to 5 - 10 hour days per week.
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Until recently, I was working a 4-day week, each day being 10 hours long to make up the standard 40-hour week. I completed all my projects on time and no loss of productivity ensued. Actually, since I invariably made dentist, doctors, etc. appointments always on my days off there was less unscheduled time off. I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday) and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days - unlikely to happen as it is the government and they have pretty fixed rules. This makes me wonder how many organisations could switch to four day weeks without any loss of productivity, and perhaps an increase? Even those who work from home may benefit from an extra day they are not required to answer the telephone. How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Years ago, one one my colleagues lived by a 6 day week - 6 days of 28 hours = 168 hours, rather than 7 days of 24 hours = 168 hours. Monday mornings when we arrived at 08:00, he had been working for 5-6 hours already. Tuesdays he started out an hour or two before us, Wednesdays a couple hours later, and Thursdays he wasn't there until after lunch. Fridays he wasn't there at all, having worked enough hours the first four days of the week. This company employed you to get things done, not to sit there for 40 hours a week. If you completed your tasks in significantly less than 40 h/week, you were expected to be assigned more tasks. If your tasks required much more than 40 h/week, you were expected to ask for an assistant to offload you. Noone counted hours by the minutes. Certainly this simplified the formal issues of adapting to a 6*28 schedule, and the guys in his team managed to schedule meetings to fit his daily rythm.
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Until recently, I was working a 4-day week, each day being 10 hours long to make up the standard 40-hour week. I completed all my projects on time and no loss of productivity ensued. Actually, since I invariably made dentist, doctors, etc. appointments always on my days off there was less unscheduled time off. I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday) and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days - unlikely to happen as it is the government and they have pretty fixed rules. This makes me wonder how many organisations could switch to four day weeks without any loss of productivity, and perhaps an increase? Even those who work from home may benefit from an extra day they are not required to answer the telephone. How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
One employer I had in the early 90s changed to a two-week schedule consisting of 9 hours on Monday through Thursday, plus an 8-hour Friday and a Friday off. Scheduling was such that they ensured that they had essential tasks covered every Friday. (e.g. there were two of us doing System Management of OpenVMS systems, and we couldn't have the same Fridays off.)
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Until recently, I was working a 4-day week, each day being 10 hours long to make up the standard 40-hour week. I completed all my projects on time and no loss of productivity ensued. Actually, since I invariably made dentist, doctors, etc. appointments always on my days off there was less unscheduled time off. I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday) and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days - unlikely to happen as it is the government and they have pretty fixed rules. This makes me wonder how many organisations could switch to four day weeks without any loss of productivity, and perhaps an increase? Even those who work from home may benefit from an extra day they are not required to answer the telephone. How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Forogar wrote:
I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday)
I have what in Germany is called the "Gleitzeit-Job". My contract is for 35 hours per week and a "valid" work range from 06:00h to 19:00h. Extra hours to be taken as spare time 1:1. I theroetically can do what I want, but...
Forogar wrote:
and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days
This is something we can't do, at least oficially on regular basis. We could do several weeks in a row like this, changing the free day. But it has to have an end and then be a 5 days week for a while. But I can still do two days early, two days later and one at home, if I would like to. At the end, I usually work 5 days a week from [6:30, 07:00] to [14:45, 15:30] and get a day / couple of days off from time to time when I want / need them.
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Until recently, I was working a 4-day week, each day being 10 hours long to make up the standard 40-hour week. I completed all my projects on time and no loss of productivity ensued. Actually, since I invariably made dentist, doctors, etc. appointments always on my days off there was less unscheduled time off. I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday) and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days - unlikely to happen as it is the government and they have pretty fixed rules. This makes me wonder how many organisations could switch to four day weeks without any loss of productivity, and perhaps an increase? Even those who work from home may benefit from an extra day they are not required to answer the telephone. How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Forogar wrote:
How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
Please do. I can probably reach 30-40 hrs a week. At the moment reaching 0 hrs. Flexibility means I could be productive somewhere :)
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Until recently, I was working a 4-day week, each day being 10 hours long to make up the standard 40-hour week. I completed all my projects on time and no loss of productivity ensued. Actually, since I invariably made dentist, doctors, etc. appointments always on my days off there was less unscheduled time off. I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday) and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days - unlikely to happen as it is the government and they have pretty fixed rules. This makes me wonder how many organisations could switch to four day weeks without any loss of productivity, and perhaps an increase? Even those who work from home may benefit from an extra day they are not required to answer the telephone. How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Yipes - you had me really scared for a moment. You mean a four-day WORK WEEK. It seems that, under (not) your plan we'd have two twenty-hour days between weekends.
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Until recently, I was working a 4-day week, each day being 10 hours long to make up the standard 40-hour week. I completed all my projects on time and no loss of productivity ensued. Actually, since I invariably made dentist, doctors, etc. appointments always on my days off there was less unscheduled time off. I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday) and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days - unlikely to happen as it is the government and they have pretty fixed rules. This makes me wonder how many organisations could switch to four day weeks without any loss of productivity, and perhaps an increase? Even those who work from home may benefit from an extra day they are not required to answer the telephone. How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
I worked a four day week once too. 10 hours a day on Monday and Tuesday, Wednesday's off, and 10 hours a day on Thursday and Friday. It was wonderful. 2 on 1 off 2 on 2 off.
Work is good for the soul. Too much work will kill you. Moderation in all things.
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Until recently, I was working a 4-day week, each day being 10 hours long to make up the standard 40-hour week. I completed all my projects on time and no loss of productivity ensued. Actually, since I invariably made dentist, doctors, etc. appointments always on my days off there was less unscheduled time off. I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday) and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days - unlikely to happen as it is the government and they have pretty fixed rules. This makes me wonder how many organisations could switch to four day weeks without any loss of productivity, and perhaps an increase? Even those who work from home may benefit from an extra day they are not required to answer the telephone. How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Until recently, I was working a 4-day week, each day being 10 hours long to make up the standard 40-hour week. I completed all my projects on time and no loss of productivity ensued. Actually, since I invariably made dentist, doctors, etc. appointments always on my days off there was less unscheduled time off. I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday) and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days - unlikely to happen as it is the government and they have pretty fixed rules. This makes me wonder how many organisations could switch to four day weeks without any loss of productivity, and perhaps an increase? Even those who work from home may benefit from an extra day they are not required to answer the telephone. How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Until recently, I was working a 4-day week, each day being 10 hours long to make up the standard 40-hour week. I completed all my projects on time and no loss of productivity ensued. Actually, since I invariably made dentist, doctors, etc. appointments always on my days off there was less unscheduled time off. I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday) and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days - unlikely to happen as it is the government and they have pretty fixed rules. This makes me wonder how many organisations could switch to four day weeks without any loss of productivity, and perhaps an increase? Even those who work from home may benefit from an extra day they are not required to answer the telephone. How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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10 hours a day is not good, especially by the time you've added two journeys and lunch to it (if you're lucky enough to get a lunch break). I used to do it 7 days a week and quite frankly, it was a living hell: Wake up Quick splash Catch train Program bloody computers for 10 hours Catch train Pray off-license would still be open by the time the train arrived so you could have half-an-hour of beer-time Go to sleep Repeat ad nauseum until burn-out Monumentally unproductive! Now, granted, it would feel a little different if there was three day weekend coming rather than no weekend at all, but to be honest the last two or three hours of the shift would rarely produce anything useful. I'd be tired, my head would screaming through eyestrain and I'd pretty much lost the will to live by then. Assuming your actually working flat out, 7 hours is about the max for a genuinely productive day's coding.
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One employer I had in the early 90s changed to a two-week schedule consisting of 9 hours on Monday through Thursday, plus an 8-hour Friday and a Friday off. Scheduling was such that they ensured that they had essential tasks covered every Friday. (e.g. there were two of us doing System Management of OpenVMS systems, and we couldn't have the same Fridays off.)
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
two-week schedule consisting of 9 hours on Monday through Thursday, plus an 8-hour Friday and a Friday off
This is similar to my work schedule; Tuesdays through Friday have an extra hour added, and I have every other Monday off. There are others whose day is Friday. Either way, such is a WONDERFUL schedule: that extra "rest" day is very recuperative and it gives you a day to schedule all of those activities that MUST be during your normal work hours (doctor, dentist, automotive maintenance, home service personnel, etc.).
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The cynic in me wants to say that 4x10 hours can easily turn into 5x10 hours.
My experience has been that the "normal" 5x8 tends to turn into 5x10 anyway (or 4x8 + 1x24, or 5xuntil-you-can't-see-straight, or something like that). Point is, once I'm "in the zone," I tend to want to keep going as long as I can, rather than stop at a particular point on the clock and have to reboot my brain the next morning. Plus, with all the typical interruptions during business hours, I often don't really start being productive until 4 or 5pm anyway. Having three days a week off would almost have to be a positive.
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Until recently, I was working a 4-day week, each day being 10 hours long to make up the standard 40-hour week. I completed all my projects on time and no loss of productivity ensued. Actually, since I invariably made dentist, doctors, etc. appointments always on my days off there was less unscheduled time off. I am now working a 34-hour week which counts a full-time or part-time depending upon who you ask. However, the days are 7, 7, 7, 7 and 6 hours (on Friday) and I was thinking of seeing if I can change this to four 8.5-hour days - unlikely to happen as it is the government and they have pretty fixed rules. This makes me wonder how many organisations could switch to four day weeks without any loss of productivity, and perhaps an increase? Even those who work from home may benefit from an extra day they are not required to answer the telephone. How would you feel about such a change to your schedule?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
I got fed up in January. Said kiss my a$$ and retired. Less disposable income now, but I have never been happier in my life.
