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  • J Jorgen Andersson

    The question has been up before, but things change and it's time to see if there are any new programs around worth looking at. My kids are seven and eight and have finished Lightbot. What's your recommendations?

    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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    Munchies_Matt
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    Do they want to learn programming? At that age I was making go karts and stuff, dens in woods, rope swings. Perhaps let them be kids? :)

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      Do they want to learn programming? At that age I was making go karts and stuff, dens in woods, rope swings. Perhaps let them be kids? :)

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      Jorgen Andersson
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      Yes, and no worries, I'm not pushing it on them. The big one started playing around with Scratch at school, and since he knows I'm working as a programmer he wanted to learn more. So I showed him Lightbot. And now he wants more. I guess it's just a period, but why not. There are so much worse things they can do.

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        Scratch - Imagine, Program, Share[^] Have you tried logo ? It can be fun to understand procedure and loops, and have instant visualization. And learn angles. https://www.calormen.com/jslogo/[^]

        Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        They're doing Scratch at school, but I'll have a look at Logo. Thanks.

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        • J Jorgen Andersson

          Yes, and no worries, I'm not pushing it on them. The big one started playing around with Scratch at school, and since he knows I'm working as a programmer he wanted to learn more. So I showed him Lightbot. And now he wants more. I guess it's just a period, but why not. There are so much worse things they can do.

          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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          Munchies_Matt
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          OK, fair enough. (My daughter, 15, looks at what I do and is in horror at the sheer complexity of it! :) )

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            Do they want to learn programming? At that age I was making go karts and stuff, dens in woods, rope swings. Perhaps let them be kids? :)

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            Rage
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            I started programming when I was 8 :-O

            Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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              I started programming when I was 8 :-O

              Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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              Munchies_Matt
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              NERD! ;P

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                Lego Technic, if it still exists. May keep you busy for some weeks too :D

                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                Jorgen Andersson
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                Still exists, still costing a fortune. :) And yes I might, if he keeps his interest. Just realized they have an app that doesn't need the physical lego, I have a look at that.

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                  NERD! ;P

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                  Rage
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                  My first program ever (Basic, Amstrad 6128) was a small database named "Cave à vin", for my father, to keep track of the bottles of wine in our cellar (all 25 of them :laugh: ). If that's not French ... :rolleyes: It had an opening splash screen with a bottle of wine filling an empty glass, animated. Which was about 85% of the code. :-D

                  Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                    OK, fair enough. (My daughter, 15, looks at what I do and is in horror at the sheer complexity of it! :) )

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                    Jorgen Andersson
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                    It's obviously not for everyone, especially not the under the hood stuff you do. How did you get into that by the way?

                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                      My first program ever (Basic, Amstrad 6128) was a small database named "Cave à vin", for my father, to keep track of the bottles of wine in our cellar (all 25 of them :laugh: ). If that's not French ... :rolleyes: It had an opening splash screen with a bottle of wine filling an empty glass, animated. Which was about 85% of the code. :-D

                      Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                      Rage wrote:

                      splash screen with a bottle of wine filling an empty glass

                      For a splash screen it shouldn't have all ended up in the glass. ;P

                      Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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                        It's obviously not for everyone, especially not the under the hood stuff you do. How did you get into that by the way?

                        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                        Munchies_Matt
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                        Yes, I suppose what I do doesnt look fun or funky, has no UI. I guess I naturally gravitated to the low level stuff, I found it much more challenging and interesting. My second job was writing a driver for Windows. I only got it because there was no one around any more capable than I was, and I had no idea, I was just in the area, looking for a new role, and had a couple of years doing low level user mode stuff in windows. :)

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                          My first program ever (Basic, Amstrad 6128) was a small database named "Cave à vin", for my father, to keep track of the bottles of wine in our cellar (all 25 of them :laugh: ). If that's not French ... :rolleyes: It had an opening splash screen with a bottle of wine filling an empty glass, animated. Which was about 85% of the code. :-D

                          Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                          Munchies_Matt
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                          I am impressed! THats pretty good for an 8 year old.

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                          • J Jorgen Andersson

                            The question has been up before, but things change and it's time to see if there are any new programs around worth looking at. My kids are seven and eight and have finished Lightbot. What's your recommendations?

                            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                            u can get them a ps4 or xbox and let them play games...or give them their own computers with VR sets .... i'm sure they will love it...

                            Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long

                            We are in the beginning of a mass extinction. - Greta Thunberg

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                              u can get them a ps4 or xbox and let them play games...or give them their own computers with VR sets .... i'm sure they will love it...

                              Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long

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                              Jorgen Andersson
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                              Nintendo will do I hope.

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                              • J Jorgen Andersson

                                The question has been up before, but things change and it's time to see if there are any new programs around worth looking at. My kids are seven and eight and have finished Lightbot. What's your recommendations?

                                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                                I got this a few weeks ago: Homepage | Minecraft: Education Edition[^] To be honest didn't checked yet...

                                "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

                                "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                                • J Jorgen Andersson

                                  The question has been up before, but things change and it's time to see if there are any new programs around worth looking at. My kids are seven and eight and have finished Lightbot. What's your recommendations?

                                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                  Take a look at this overview: https://www.slant.co/topics/243/~best-ways-to-teach-a-beginner-how-to-program[^] And for books: https://www.slant.co/topics/1531/~beginner-s-books-for-programming[^] :-\

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                                  • J Jorgen Andersson

                                    The question has been up before, but things change and it's time to see if there are any new programs around worth looking at. My kids are seven and eight and have finished Lightbot. What's your recommendations?

                                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                    If they survive x86 assembly, they will be ready for the real wörld!

                                    "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

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                                      Yes, I suppose what I do doesnt look fun or funky, has no UI. I guess I naturally gravitated to the low level stuff, I found it much more challenging and interesting. My second job was writing a driver for Windows. I only got it because there was no one around any more capable than I was, and I had no idea, I was just in the area, looking for a new role, and had a couple of years doing low level user mode stuff in windows. :)

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                                      Nelek
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                                      Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                      I guess I naturally gravitated to the low level stuff,

                                      Are you that fat? ;) ;P :-D

                                      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                        Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                        I guess I naturally gravitated to the low level stuff,

                                        Are you that fat? ;) ;P :-D

                                        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                        Munchies_Matt
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                                        Gravity and I have an intimate relationship.... Actually no, I chose my pen name from the two atomic bombs, fat man and little boy. Plus fat boy is an affectionate name in Cantoneese (my wife lived there many years and speaks it fluently. SOmething like 'faizai', at least that is how it sounds to me. :) ) I am not particularly overweight, for a 50+ year old programmer at least!

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                                        • J Jorgen Andersson

                                          The question has been up before, but things change and it's time to see if there are any new programs around worth looking at. My kids are seven and eight and have finished Lightbot. What's your recommendations?

                                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                          Tudor Ionel
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                                          I recommend checking out Zachtronics' puzzle games, they're very much programming in disguise. I'd start with Infinifactory as it's learning curve is the least steep. They're all hard and great fun. Depending on the kids' history with games and computers they might get into the harder ones (like Shenzhen I/O and TIS100).[

                                          Here's an article on this

                                          ](http://gregorulm.com/programming-game-review-spacechem-2011-by-zachtronics/)[^] But keep in mind - quote :

                                          Sometimes people mention SpaceChem as a good game to introduce people to programming. I would not recommend that at all because an introductory programming course is laughably easy in comparison. If anything, it is a game you may want to introduce a subset of programmers to.

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