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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    How many of the "killer applications" that I started my PC life with - the really original, useful, amazing ones - do I still use? None. Remember "Brief - the Programmers Editor"? Gone. Xtree? (XTree Gold, Pro, Gold Pro, Gold Pro Ultimate Wonder CuresBaldnessAndScurvy Edition included)? You couldn't live without it, but ... despite a couple of (pretty poor) Windows versions it died a death. 1-2-3? Nope. Wordstar? Dead. Samna Word / Ami Pro / Lotus Word Pro? (The best word processor ever created) It lost out to the MS Office juggernaut: Roadkill. Got anything you started off with still in regular use?

    Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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    ProfessorDan
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    Vedit was one of the first full featured editors I used with CP/M and then when I built my first IBM AT clone it also became available for DOS although I do not use it now it was one of the best programming editors of the day, the company is still around (surprise) Greenview Data Company Overview[^]

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    • M MikeTheFid

      I started with CLIST on TSO. REXX was the replacement. I wrote a program to build and submit JCL in order to more easily extract hardware diagnostic information for mainframes and peripherals. I later wrote a program in REXX on VM called the Interactive Questionnaire Facility (IQF) when I worked at the IBM Education Centre on Don Mills Rd in Toronto. It helped Instructors to compose, administer, and report on Instructor and course evaluations. Thanks for evoking those memories of fun times. :)

      Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.

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      Forogar
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      On VM there was a great editor called XEDIT. You could write macros for this in REXX. I wrote a full-blown hex editor (for some colleagues working on TPF) using this combo. I also wrote a bulletin board system. I miss XEDIT and REXX!

      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        How many of the "killer applications" that I started my PC life with - the really original, useful, amazing ones - do I still use? None. Remember "Brief - the Programmers Editor"? Gone. Xtree? (XTree Gold, Pro, Gold Pro, Gold Pro Ultimate Wonder CuresBaldnessAndScurvy Edition included)? You couldn't live without it, but ... despite a couple of (pretty poor) Windows versions it died a death. 1-2-3? Nope. Wordstar? Dead. Samna Word / Ami Pro / Lotus Word Pro? (The best word processor ever created) It lost out to the MS Office juggernaut: Roadkill. Got anything you started off with still in regular use?

        Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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        DaveArel
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        dBase III+(Ashton-Tate) => SQL server Clipper(Nantucket Corp) => Visual Studio LANtastic => Windows 3.11 and now Active Directory Sad they're gone but a lot of programmers like me learned to develop database programs in a network environment with all the locks control that now is almost unnecessary. Good days... :-D

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        • R Ron Anders

          The Norton Commander!

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          atali
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          Norton Commander was ok, now most of that functionality is in FAR Manager, I use it all the time.

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            How many of the "killer applications" that I started my PC life with - the really original, useful, amazing ones - do I still use? None. Remember "Brief - the Programmers Editor"? Gone. Xtree? (XTree Gold, Pro, Gold Pro, Gold Pro Ultimate Wonder CuresBaldnessAndScurvy Edition included)? You couldn't live without it, but ... despite a couple of (pretty poor) Windows versions it died a death. 1-2-3? Nope. Wordstar? Dead. Samna Word / Ami Pro / Lotus Word Pro? (The best word processor ever created) It lost out to the MS Office juggernaut: Roadkill. Got anything you started off with still in regular use?

            Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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            builderjohn
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            I still use Visual SlickEdit - in Brief emulation mode. - Good macro handling, or at least one that my fingers still remember.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              How many of the "killer applications" that I started my PC life with - the really original, useful, amazing ones - do I still use? None. Remember "Brief - the Programmers Editor"? Gone. Xtree? (XTree Gold, Pro, Gold Pro, Gold Pro Ultimate Wonder CuresBaldnessAndScurvy Edition included)? You couldn't live without it, but ... despite a couple of (pretty poor) Windows versions it died a death. 1-2-3? Nope. Wordstar? Dead. Samna Word / Ami Pro / Lotus Word Pro? (The best word processor ever created) It lost out to the MS Office juggernaut: Roadkill. Got anything you started off with still in regular use?

              Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              Kirk 10389821
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              DOS (now COMMAND). LOL. Progress has killed it, but you are confusing KILLER APP with SPECIFIC APP... BRIEF => most features available in most editors nowadays (port of emacs, LOL). Lots 123= Spreadsheet (Still have one) Oracle = Database = Still have 3..4 But the world has moved a LOT since these tools were created. They were valuable in their time. Currently I use ActionOutline a thousand times a day. It's windows based, and I am looking to create a web based alternative so I can access it from my phone and other devices. Does this decrease the Value of an indispensable tool, NO! will I stop using AA at some point. Yep. But I will replace it with a Cloud Based tool where my data is backed up and stored, and potentially secured in even better ways. Potentially making some aspects shareable with other people, which simply cannot happen the way it works today. So, of all of those tools you had, if you look back at the tool itself, not the BRAND... Did it just get absorbed into the life and times of other tools? I used to write batch files. I prefer Python now. I used to write quick and dirty EXE Files. I can do much in a Javascript window. We move on, our tools change... I also had corded drills, and 12V cordless drills. My dad has a crank (hand drill). Things have improved...

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                How many of the "killer applications" that I started my PC life with - the really original, useful, amazing ones - do I still use? None. Remember "Brief - the Programmers Editor"? Gone. Xtree? (XTree Gold, Pro, Gold Pro, Gold Pro Ultimate Wonder CuresBaldnessAndScurvy Edition included)? You couldn't live without it, but ... despite a couple of (pretty poor) Windows versions it died a death. 1-2-3? Nope. Wordstar? Dead. Samna Word / Ami Pro / Lotus Word Pro? (The best word processor ever created) It lost out to the MS Office juggernaut: Roadkill. Got anything you started off with still in regular use?

                Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                sasadler
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                Hm, that would be tough. My first computer with an OS (CP/M) was prePC. I eventually got WordStar on it and to this day, all my IDE's/editors/word processors all use WordStar control sequences for editing. I wrote an AutoHotKey script to translate the WordStar control sequences to the particular editors sequences.

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  How many of the "killer applications" that I started my PC life with - the really original, useful, amazing ones - do I still use? None. Remember "Brief - the Programmers Editor"? Gone. Xtree? (XTree Gold, Pro, Gold Pro, Gold Pro Ultimate Wonder CuresBaldnessAndScurvy Edition included)? You couldn't live without it, but ... despite a couple of (pretty poor) Windows versions it died a death. 1-2-3? Nope. Wordstar? Dead. Samna Word / Ami Pro / Lotus Word Pro? (The best word processor ever created) It lost out to the MS Office juggernaut: Roadkill. Got anything you started off with still in regular use?

                  Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  Peltier Cooler
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                  Notepad?

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    How many of the "killer applications" that I started my PC life with - the really original, useful, amazing ones - do I still use? None. Remember "Brief - the Programmers Editor"? Gone. Xtree? (XTree Gold, Pro, Gold Pro, Gold Pro Ultimate Wonder CuresBaldnessAndScurvy Edition included)? You couldn't live without it, but ... despite a couple of (pretty poor) Windows versions it died a death. 1-2-3? Nope. Wordstar? Dead. Samna Word / Ami Pro / Lotus Word Pro? (The best word processor ever created) It lost out to the MS Office juggernaut: Roadkill. Got anything you started off with still in regular use?

                    Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                    vaderjm
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                    Zip Chunker Pro (ZCP) so files could fit on floppy disks, pkzip/pkunzip I actually still have a copy of all three for posterity's sake.

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      How many of the "killer applications" that I started my PC life with - the really original, useful, amazing ones - do I still use? None. Remember "Brief - the Programmers Editor"? Gone. Xtree? (XTree Gold, Pro, Gold Pro, Gold Pro Ultimate Wonder CuresBaldnessAndScurvy Edition included)? You couldn't live without it, but ... despite a couple of (pretty poor) Windows versions it died a death. 1-2-3? Nope. Wordstar? Dead. Samna Word / Ami Pro / Lotus Word Pro? (The best word processor ever created) It lost out to the MS Office juggernaut: Roadkill. Got anything you started off with still in regular use?

                      Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                      Mark_Wallace
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                      Yup. Absolutely yup. The only relic I have is that the directory I keep all my personal files/documents/everything-else that ms-has created "libraries" for is still the directory that I used all those years ago, whose name is the name of a shareware word processor I used in prehistory. I've been very glad of that many times, because ms deletes library files, when it feels like it.

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        How many of the "killer applications" that I started my PC life with - the really original, useful, amazing ones - do I still use? None. Remember "Brief - the Programmers Editor"? Gone. Xtree? (XTree Gold, Pro, Gold Pro, Gold Pro Ultimate Wonder CuresBaldnessAndScurvy Edition included)? You couldn't live without it, but ... despite a couple of (pretty poor) Windows versions it died a death. 1-2-3? Nope. Wordstar? Dead. Samna Word / Ami Pro / Lotus Word Pro? (The best word processor ever created) It lost out to the MS Office juggernaut: Roadkill. Got anything you started off with still in regular use?

                        Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                        F Margueirat
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                        I'm sorry to tell you that the best word processor ever, many years ahead of its time, was Word Perfect.

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                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                          I think there's only one application I've used on a daily basis for about twenty years now... Winamp! :D It still kicks (llama's) ass :D I'm still on v5.666 though (you think that version is a coincidence?), didn't recently bother to upgrade to the new "leaked" 5.8. And hell yes it's a productivity tool!

                          Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                          markrlondon
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                          Yup, here for me too.

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            How many of the "killer applications" that I started my PC life with - the really original, useful, amazing ones - do I still use? None. Remember "Brief - the Programmers Editor"? Gone. Xtree? (XTree Gold, Pro, Gold Pro, Gold Pro Ultimate Wonder CuresBaldnessAndScurvy Edition included)? You couldn't live without it, but ... despite a couple of (pretty poor) Windows versions it died a death. 1-2-3? Nope. Wordstar? Dead. Samna Word / Ami Pro / Lotus Word Pro? (The best word processor ever created) It lost out to the MS Office juggernaut: Roadkill. Got anything you started off with still in regular use?

                            Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                            B Alex Robinson
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                            The Semware Editor. Used since the late 80's. Based on the Wordstar diamond, the reason I still use it. There's an almost-finished Linux version, which I usually use for an editor.

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                            • S Slow Eddie

                              Me too. Still using VB6 and supporting legacy apps. Started with VB1.0 and went through all of the versions up to VB6. The ROI IS truly incredible. Converting to C#. While I heard others in this forum talk about how "Verbose" VB6 is compared to C#, I could not disagree more. In the end however, it is all just syntax. I believe it is the "B" (for Basic) in the name that causes the academics, and academic taught programmers ("developers" according to them) to hate VB6. Finally, I need to point out that Bill Gates and Microsoft's first product wad GW-Basic. And I started out on Apple Basic.:cool:

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                              kmoorevs
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                              Slow Eddie wrote:

                              In the end however, it is all just syntax

                              :thumbsup: My thoughts exactly! I think you are mostly correct about the contempt 'real programmers' have for VB of any flavor. Haters will hate...I will laugh all the way to the bank! :laugh: :laugh:

                              "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                How many of the "killer applications" that I started my PC life with - the really original, useful, amazing ones - do I still use? None. Remember "Brief - the Programmers Editor"? Gone. Xtree? (XTree Gold, Pro, Gold Pro, Gold Pro Ultimate Wonder CuresBaldnessAndScurvy Edition included)? You couldn't live without it, but ... despite a couple of (pretty poor) Windows versions it died a death. 1-2-3? Nope. Wordstar? Dead. Samna Word / Ami Pro / Lotus Word Pro? (The best word processor ever created) It lost out to the MS Office juggernaut: Roadkill. Got anything you started off with still in regular use?

                                Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                FormerBIOSGuy
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                                Yes! Quicken for DOS. Still one of the best programs ever written.

                                FormerBIOSGuy

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                                • J Joe Woodbury

                                  The one we had came on CDROM and we had to scramble to find someone with a portable CDROM drive. Install took freaking forever (the joys of 2x CDROMs)

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                                  Behzad Sedighzadeh
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                                  I bought a Creative sound card back in 90's and the drivers were on a CD. We had a guy in school which was much richer than us and he had a PC with CD-ROM. I beg him for copying the drivers to a 3.5" diskette :)

                                  Behzad

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    How many of the "killer applications" that I started my PC life with - the really original, useful, amazing ones - do I still use? None. Remember "Brief - the Programmers Editor"? Gone. Xtree? (XTree Gold, Pro, Gold Pro, Gold Pro Ultimate Wonder CuresBaldnessAndScurvy Edition included)? You couldn't live without it, but ... despite a couple of (pretty poor) Windows versions it died a death. 1-2-3? Nope. Wordstar? Dead. Samna Word / Ami Pro / Lotus Word Pro? (The best word processor ever created) It lost out to the MS Office juggernaut: Roadkill. Got anything you started off with still in regular use?

                                    Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                    Retired2017
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                                    Apparently I'm an exception, I was working with unix professionally before I bought my first home PC. Linux wasn't available yet, but I went over as soon as I heard of it and never looked at a MS OS again except at work. The thing is, to answer the question what applications of that period do I still use? well, practically ALL OF THEM. A linux user of 2019 (at least one who always prefers CLI) is an animal of almost the same species as a unix user of 1990. A lot of the commands have evolved and became more sophisticated, but basically it's still the same ls, cd, du and some dozens more as 30 years ago. You don't need to learn to drive again with every new car model.

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                                    • D dbrenth

                                      Sql Server and ESRI ArcInfo were both there almost 30 years ago when I started working professionally.

                                      Brent

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                                      E Anderson
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                                      Hello there, fellow Arc/Info user! Been a user since 4.x circa 1991 and still have a few AML scripts running in production that are just waiting for time allocation to be rewritten and retired. 😉

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