Partisanship is (an awful lot like) treason
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You are being ignored because you are continuing to just make up stuff I've never said or implied or disagreed with.
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Do run away. FYI - When I chose to ignore someone I neither read nor respond to the posts that I have chosen to ignore. TTYL
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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Do run away. FYI - When I chose to ignore someone I neither read nor respond to the posts that I have chosen to ignore. TTYL
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
I am running away, from the silliness that makes up most internet 'debates'. You will continue to ignore what I say and change from one thing to another and three days from now you'll have me arguing about the Higgs Boson and crepes, none of which is relevant to anything I was saying. If you would go back and even remotely read what I've written you'd see that everything you keep bringing up I've already covered. There's no point in continuing around in a circle.
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That was NOT partisanship. That was a war over economics (and slavery of course though at that time it was primarily an economic issue.) Completely different. It wasn't about who was on top, it was about the southern states having gotten themselves addicted to free labor and being forced to give it up, at great monetary cost to the wealthy who lived there.
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Dean Roddey wrote:
That was NOT partisanship.
Comedy gold.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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Dean Roddey wrote:
1. Encourage xenophobia, racism, class-ism, and so forth with the intent of undermining our society and political system 2. Work hard to prevent large swaths of the population from rising to their potential 3. Spread nasty rumors that are specifically intended to undermine anyone who doesn't share your own views 4. Put your own interests ahead of the interests of the people 5. Block success of any change or process if it doesn't work to your own advantage, or might be beneficial to the 'other side' 6. Just assuming that the 'other side' is guilty of anything the partisan political organization you call the news tells you they did, while denying to the death that your side ever does anything wrong (ironically both providing cover for real abuse of power while simultaneously making it easy to use false claims of such as a weapon or an attention deflection mechanism.)
Democrats.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
If you were any more full-of-shit your birth certificate would be made of toilet paper. When Obama was elected, the GOPigs openly declared they'll try to make sure nothing gets done so they can win the next presidential election. That failed, but the real thought you should have had, but clearly didn't is: The GOPigs, by deliberately block legislation, even if it's in the best interests of the country, were guilty of moral and ethical (but alas, not legal) treason. They put their party before their country. They still do -
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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If you were any more full-of-shit your birth certificate would be made of toilet paper. When Obama was elected, the GOPigs openly declared they'll try to make sure nothing gets done so they can win the next presidential election. That failed, but the real thought you should have had, but clearly didn't is: The GOPigs, by deliberately block legislation, even if it's in the best interests of the country, were guilty of moral and ethical (but alas, not legal) treason. They put their party before their country. They still do -
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I pointed out that the 6 things listed are things that the Democrats do. Your immature and emotionally juvenile response did not even address anything in my post. Liberal Triggered!! Take a deep breath, gather up your emotions and put them aside, look for your logic box and then come back and have a discussion. If you can.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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If you were any more full-of-shit your birth certificate would be made of toilet paper. When Obama was elected, the GOPigs openly declared they'll try to make sure nothing gets done so they can win the next presidential election. That failed, but the real thought you should have had, but clearly didn't is: The GOPigs, by deliberately block legislation, even if it's in the best interests of the country, were guilty of moral and ethical (but alas, not legal) treason. They put their party before their country. They still do -
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
The GOPigs, by deliberately block legislation, even if it's in the best interests of the country, were guilty of moral and ethical (but alas, not legal) treason. They put their party before their country.
Agreed. It was shameful. And now the Democrats are doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING! Also shameful.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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If you were any more full-of-shit your birth certificate would be made of toilet paper. When Obama was elected, the GOPigs openly declared they'll try to make sure nothing gets done so they can win the next presidential election. That failed, but the real thought you should have had, but clearly didn't is: The GOPigs, by deliberately block legislation, even if it's in the best interests of the country, were guilty of moral and ethical (but alas, not legal) treason. They put their party before their country. They still do -
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
:thumbsup:
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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Dean Roddey wrote:
That was NOT partisanship.
Comedy gold.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
The Civil War was about economics. Obviously there was 'partisanship' as there will be in any war, but it wasn't petty bickering over who gets to sit in the big chair. There was serious poop hitting the rotating air foil. And it wasn't the cause of the war, it was caused by the war, and the inevitable encouragement of hate towards the other side that always happens in a conflict. The hate that develops when your relatives are being killed in large numbers is not partisanship in the terms I was discussing. Did none of you even read my original post? I was very explicitly talking about non-substantive partisanship that is purely just left vs. right bickering and playing the game of thrones. I was talking about stalling our progress and undermining our political system and causing massive cynicism in the population purely to get back on top. And of course the fact that there is now a massive, freely available, world-wide platform for people to demonstrate their polarization, and it's nasty. Go to any video on Youtube that is remotely political and see how much of it is nothing but 'no, you are' bickering by people who have been so polarized that they pretty much see the world in terms of left and right and believe the other side is inherently corrupt while theirs is not. Add to that the large bucks being thrown into the process of generating polarization in order to keep market share by news organizations. That's not about abortion or civil rights or any other substantive social issue.
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I pointed out that the 6 things listed are things that the Democrats do. Your immature and emotionally juvenile response did not even address anything in my post. Liberal Triggered!! Take a deep breath, gather up your emotions and put them aside, look for your logic box and then come back and have a discussion. If you can.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
A list as declared by the GOPigs - they say and that's enough for you: you believe.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
The GOPigs, by deliberately block legislation, even if it's in the best interests of the country, were guilty of moral and ethical (but alas, not legal) treason. They put their party before their country.
Agreed. It was shameful. And now the Democrats are doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING! Also shameful.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
Actually - the only way to tell if that's what they're doing is for them to keep doing it. To explain: That ball-of-shit-with-orange-trim in the White House continues to obstruct any investigation into the crap he's been pulling since he started his campaign and still does in office. Countless bare-faced lies (he didn't remember, during his campaign, that he was involved in the most lucrative deal of his life with Moscow?) As per the Mueller report, he seems to have made a career out of obstructing justice. It's seems all but impossible to find anything in which he's been involved that is not corrupt (foundation, Hump Univ, &etc.). So - if the Democrats investigate and find nothing - he's a big winner - but all indications are that he's scared shitless that he'll end his term in federal prison. Important News Flash! I did find out about some fake news claims made by the Hump were accurate - about him in Moscow and the 'yellow rain'. It turns out there were no Hookers! It was Putin - he was in drag. The rest of the story remains the same.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Actually - the only way to tell if that's what they're doing is for them to keep doing it. To explain: That ball-of-shit-with-orange-trim in the White House continues to obstruct any investigation into the crap he's been pulling since he started his campaign and still does in office. Countless bare-faced lies (he didn't remember, during his campaign, that he was involved in the most lucrative deal of his life with Moscow?) As per the Mueller report, he seems to have made a career out of obstructing justice. It's seems all but impossible to find anything in which he's been involved that is not corrupt (foundation, Hump Univ, &etc.). So - if the Democrats investigate and find nothing - he's a big winner - but all indications are that he's scared shitless that he'll end his term in federal prison. Important News Flash! I did find out about some fake news claims made by the Hump were accurate - about him in Moscow and the 'yellow rain'. It turns out there were no Hookers! It was Putin - he was in drag. The rest of the story remains the same.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Once again your response is evidence of your extreme bias. Goodbye.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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A list as declared by the GOPigs - they say and that's enough for you: you believe.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
A list as declared by the GOPigs
:laugh: :laugh: No, it was a list in the OP. Are you even paying attention to what you're responding too. More proof you're reacting from being triggered. :doh:
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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The Civil War was about economics. Obviously there was 'partisanship' as there will be in any war, but it wasn't petty bickering over who gets to sit in the big chair. There was serious poop hitting the rotating air foil. And it wasn't the cause of the war, it was caused by the war, and the inevitable encouragement of hate towards the other side that always happens in a conflict. The hate that develops when your relatives are being killed in large numbers is not partisanship in the terms I was discussing. Did none of you even read my original post? I was very explicitly talking about non-substantive partisanship that is purely just left vs. right bickering and playing the game of thrones. I was talking about stalling our progress and undermining our political system and causing massive cynicism in the population purely to get back on top. And of course the fact that there is now a massive, freely available, world-wide platform for people to demonstrate their polarization, and it's nasty. Go to any video on Youtube that is remotely political and see how much of it is nothing but 'no, you are' bickering by people who have been so polarized that they pretty much see the world in terms of left and right and believe the other side is inherently corrupt while theirs is not. Add to that the large bucks being thrown into the process of generating polarization in order to keep market share by news organizations. That's not about abortion or civil rights or any other substantive social issue.
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Dean Roddey wrote:
Add to that the large bucks being thrown into the process of generating polarization in order to keep market share by news organizations. That's not about abortion or civil rights or any other substantive social issue.
Exactly. That's why hyperbole is...wait for it.... THE PROBLEM This complete lack of self-awareness is absolutely hysterical.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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Dean Roddey wrote:
Add to that the large bucks being thrown into the process of generating polarization in order to keep market share by news organizations. That's not about abortion or civil rights or any other substantive social issue.
Exactly. That's why hyperbole is...wait for it.... THE PROBLEM This complete lack of self-awareness is absolutely hysterical.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
Claiming that both sides are equally wrong and are damaging this country cannot, by definition, be polarization because it doesn't take any position for either side. Contributing to the left/right polarization of this country cannot happen if you don't take one side or the other. "Political polarization refers to the cases in which an individual's stance on a given issue, policy, or person is more likely to be strictly defined by their identification with a particular political party (e.g., Democrat or Republican) or ideology (e.g., liberal or conservative)." Where in any of my posts have any of my stances been driven in any way by a particular party or political ideology?
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Claiming that both sides are equally wrong and are damaging this country cannot, by definition, be polarization because it doesn't take any position for either side. Contributing to the left/right polarization of this country cannot happen if you don't take one side or the other. "Political polarization refers to the cases in which an individual's stance on a given issue, policy, or person is more likely to be strictly defined by their identification with a particular political party (e.g., Democrat or Republican) or ideology (e.g., liberal or conservative)." Where in any of my posts have any of my stances been driven in any way by a particular party or political ideology?
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Equating political partisanship with treason is hyperbole. I didn't think that I needed to explain that. The vehicle of polarization is hyperbole. I also didn't think anyone would need to explain that. Zero f%$ks given as to the ideology espousing it; hyperbole is...<drum roll>...THE PROBLEM! So stop engaging in it! (or at least accept that your complete lack of self-awareness about this is patently hysterical)
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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Equating political partisanship with treason is hyperbole. I didn't think that I needed to explain that. The vehicle of polarization is hyperbole. I also didn't think anyone would need to explain that. Zero f%$ks given as to the ideology espousing it; hyperbole is...<drum roll>...THE PROBLEM! So stop engaging in it! (or at least accept that your complete lack of self-awareness about this is patently hysterical)
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
I completely stand behind my statement. Did I say they were the same? No. I said that they were achieving the same sorts of results. And they are. It's been fairly well documented that some foreign governments have folks on hire whose job is specifically to do this kind of stuff online, to sow distrust, racism, hate, etc... I'm not advocating any of those things. I'm advocating stopping those things, and pointing out the hypocrisy of doing things that, if done for other reasons, we would consider treason. Ultimately it's the results that matter, not the reason they are doing it. In that sense, they are sort of achieving the same goals. And yes, it is hyperbole of a sort. Purposefully so. But it's not in any way contributing to left/right polarization. It's hyperbole to make people think about how screwed up some of the things are that they are doing in the name of left/right polarization, and maybe how they would react if they found out someone here was doing these same things in the pay of a foreign government. What would we likely call that if it happened? I imagine a lot of people would consider it at least treasonous, even if not literally prosecutable as treason. If that's so, what difference does it make whether you are being paid by a foreign government in terms of the damage done?
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These days I cannot help but draw comparisons between the retarded level of partisanship in this country and treason. I mean they seem to sort of have the same goals. 1. Encourage xenophobia, racism, class-ism, and so forth with the intent of undermining our society and political system 2. Work hard to prevent large swaths of the population from rising to their potential 3. Spread nasty rumors that are specifically intended to undermine anyone who doesn't share your own views 4. Put your own interests ahead of the interests of the people 5. Block success of any change or process if it doesn't work to your own advantage, or might be beneficial to the 'other side' 6. Just assuming that the 'other side' is guilty of anything the partisan political organization you call the news tells you they did, while denying to the death that your side ever does anything wrong (ironically both providing cover for real abuse of power while simultaneously making it easy to use false claims of such as a weapon or an attention deflection mechanism.) If someone from another country was doing these things successfully encouraging these things in the US on a broad scale, we'd staple them to a wall and shoot little metal pellets at them at high speed. But large numbers of people and organizations inside this country are doing these things on a daily basis. It's a cancer on our society and one of the primary indicators that education and intelligence aren't proportional since we are more educated on average than ever; but, if anything, growing more polarized and more happy to believe the most disgusting slander if it suits our own bigotry. We haven't remotely grown out of our animal roots and are so easily led around by our own fears and hatreds that it's ridiculous. And these days that's a growth industry, with organizations pushing those buttons like it's an ATM to make money, gain market, or build a rabid political base that they can turn into power. But they can only do that because of the unthinking bias of people in general, and their willingness to believe anything they are told if it aligns with their own prejudices. This is arguably the greatest threat we have. Powerful nations seldom fall from external attack. They rot from the inside. And, ironically, so much of our rot is in the form of people claiming that anyone who doesn't agree with them is that internal threat. When in actual fact it's the hate, stalemate and cynicism that flows from this never ending partisanship that is the really dangerous decay grow
Dean Roddey wrote:
These days I cannot help but draw comparisons between the retarded level of partisanship in this country and treason
Versus what days exactly? Nationalism at the federal level has existed and been touted many times in the past. The civil war occurred specifically due to partisanship.
Dean Roddey wrote:
if anything, growing more polarized and more happy to believe the most disgusting slander if it suits our own bigotry.
Err...like rounding up US citizens of japanese descent, taking all of their property away and putting them in internment camps? Like banning the writings of the mormon church and driving them out of communities? Like importing chinese to build railroads and then demonizing them?
Dean Roddey wrote:
Not that we haven't always been susceptible to this. But now we are so many more and the channels for hate-flow are so high-bandwidth
The joke in the whitehouse likes to claim that the news organizations are lying but the fact of the matter is that unbiased fact based reporting is much higher than it used to be. Biased and outright lies not to mention completely fabricated stories were the mainstay of the american press up until very recently. And that is the only avenue that people had for news then.
Dean Roddey wrote:
Until we change that,
I am not ready to become an alien. I suspect most people are not. So we will remain humans and this will continue just with new actors and new topics.
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That was NOT partisanship. That was a war over economics (and slavery of course though at that time it was primarily an economic issue.) Completely different. It wasn't about who was on top, it was about the southern states having gotten themselves addicted to free labor and being forced to give it up, at great monetary cost to the wealthy who lived there.
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Dean Roddey wrote:
That was NOT partisanship. That was a war over economics ...
No. You are discussing broad cultural impacts which was leading towards a cultural shift. You are ignoring however the actual and real political gamesmanship that was occurring in congress during that time which most definitely was partisanship. And it was exactly those real actions that lead to the actual actions (not broad cultural shifts) which resulted in the southern states declaring their independence.
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You are arguing about things I'm not even talking about, at all.
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Dean Roddey wrote:
You are arguing about things I'm not even talking about, at all.
Then you lost track of what you were saying...you said specifically... "That was NOT partisanship." You went off on a cultural tangent that has nothing to do with what that word means.