It looks different!!
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Those *margin attributes of the BODY element aren't part of the HTML standard. HTML isn't supposed to describe the appearance of pages and you're wasting your time if you try to make pages look the same on different browsers. The way a page looks in latest MSIE isn't any more "correct" than the way it looks in NS4, Mozilla, or Elinks.
Thank you: your answer saved me some typing :) My latest article: GBVB - Converting VB.NET code to C#
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The problem is with Netscape 4.x. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
I agree with you (a.k.a. Wal2k)
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hi, I was trying to see how much is codeproject compatible with older browsers, I viewed it with Netscape 4.7, it's slow like hell by the way, I can't imagine that there is still anybody using this crap, anyway .. there are some problems with the look .. for example the top, left and right margins are not set to zero (Netscape doesn't recognize the topmargin, bottommargin, leftmargin and rightmargin attributes of the body tag), isn't this possible on Netscape 4 or what? There are also some other differences, it seems like it's so hard to make your page look the same across all browsers. (a.k.a. Wal2k)
www.wal2k.comWell, what should we do then? Should we design our web pages to be mainly compatible with only one browser, which would MSIE of course. Anyway, as far as I know Netscape and the other browsers are not used by so many people. I read something about that on zdnet.com, it said that more than 90% of the internet users use MS IE. That was some time ago, perhaps the percentage is getting close to 100% now. I believe it's far easier to design our web pages to look right on only one browser without worrying about compatiblity issues, do you agree with me? (a.k.a. Wal2k)
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Well, what should we do then? Should we design our web pages to be mainly compatible with only one browser, which would MSIE of course. Anyway, as far as I know Netscape and the other browsers are not used by so many people. I read something about that on zdnet.com, it said that more than 90% of the internet users use MS IE. That was some time ago, perhaps the percentage is getting close to 100% now. I believe it's far easier to design our web pages to look right on only one browser without worrying about compatiblity issues, do you agree with me? (a.k.a. Wal2k)
www.wal2k.comWaleed wrote: what should we do then? Should we design our web pages to be mainly compatible with only one browser, which would MSIE of course. Waleed wrote: I believe it's far easier to design our web pages to look right on only one browser without worrying about compatiblity issues, do you agree with me? No. The way forward is forwards compatibility. It is not choosing any browser. Do yourself a favour. Read Zeldman.com everyday and get his book: Designing With Web Standards[^]
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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Those *margin attributes of the BODY element aren't part of the HTML standard. HTML isn't supposed to describe the appearance of pages and you're wasting your time if you try to make pages look the same on different browsers. The way a page looks in latest MSIE isn't any more "correct" than the way it looks in NS4, Mozilla, or Elinks.
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Waleed wrote: what should we do then? Should we design our web pages to be mainly compatible with only one browser, which would MSIE of course. Waleed wrote: I believe it's far easier to design our web pages to look right on only one browser without worrying about compatiblity issues, do you agree with me? No. The way forward is forwards compatibility. It is not choosing any browser. Do yourself a favour. Read Zeldman.com everyday and get his book: Designing With Web Standards[^]
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: Do yourself a favour. Read Zeldman.com everyday Just don't design sites that look like his X| cheers, Chris Maunder
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hi, I was trying to see how much is codeproject compatible with older browsers, I viewed it with Netscape 4.7, it's slow like hell by the way, I can't imagine that there is still anybody using this crap, anyway .. there are some problems with the look .. for example the top, left and right margins are not set to zero (Netscape doesn't recognize the topmargin, bottommargin, leftmargin and rightmargin attributes of the body tag), isn't this possible on Netscape 4 or what? There are also some other differences, it seems like it's so hard to make your page look the same across all browsers. (a.k.a. Wal2k)
www.wal2k.comThe bit I like most about Netscape 4 is how when you resize, it refetches the webpage. Dog's breakfast (dôgz brêk′fºst): Netscape Navigator version 4. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Paul Watson wrote: Do yourself a favour. Read Zeldman.com everyday Just don't design sites that look like his X| cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: Just don't design sites that look like his I think Zeldman read what you said; On his website today: "and the kind of low-contrast, pale-on-pale color scheme that drives some web users batty (but designers are digging it this year)." Just for the record I rather like the minimal low contrast look as well :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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Paul Watson wrote: Do yourself a favour. Read Zeldman.com everyday Just don't design sites that look like his X| cheers, Chris Maunder
Fine, I know that my homepage sucks, I made it some time ago and was lazy to change it, I wouldn't claim that it's the best thing I've ever done (I forgot to set the gamma correctly before starting to design the pages so the colors are not so charming). I'm going to blow up everything and start something elegant perhaps with some Falsh effects. Anyway, I just suggest adding marginwidth="0" and marginheight="0" to the body tag to make the web page views correctly with Netscape4+ .. regards (a.k.a. Wal2k)
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Chris Maunder wrote: Just don't design sites that look like his I think Zeldman read what you said; On his website today: "and the kind of low-contrast, pale-on-pale color scheme that drives some web users batty (but designers are digging it this year)." Just for the record I rather like the minimal low contrast look as well :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
There is a subtle point where designers (of all things) can step past the point of usefulness and enter the Zone of Pretention. I'm not sure if it's simply boredom on the part of the designer wanting to see something new, or job security, or mindless sheep behaviour in which the current new thing is gospel, or simply the inability to stop adding features as a means to justify their existence or sense of importance. A web page with lots of text should be easy to read - it shouldn't be so pale that it's illegible on a laptop screen during daylight hours. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Paul Watson wrote: Do yourself a favour. Read Zeldman.com everyday Just don't design sites that look like his X| cheers, Chris Maunder
is that a big pink ass on his page?:wtf: