There may be trouble ahead ...
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... But while there's moonlight and music and love and romance; Let's face the music and dance! Unless you work for Huawei, that is: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with China’s tech giant[^] And they only released new ARM based models on Tuesday ... timing is everything in this game.
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... But while there's moonlight and music and love and romance; Let's face the music and dance! Unless you work for Huawei, that is: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with China’s tech giant[^] And they only released new ARM based models on Tuesday ... timing is everything in this game.
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Political arguments aside, I see a hidden good that could come of the trade war. A reduction of dependence upon China for pretty much everything. We have all experienced that legendary quality they bring to the goods they export to us - HDD's that are DOA or die in a few weeks; appliances of all sorts that need to be replace frequently; food that's possibly tainted with lethal adulterants; sheet-rock contaminated with radioactive waste; wood flooring that emits toxic fumes; and other countless improvements to our lives. Add to that a generation or so that's used to a disposable way of life - of conspicuous consumption available to the masses - and well, breaking those habits would be good, albeit painful.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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... But while there's moonlight and music and love and romance; Let's face the music and dance! Unless you work for Huawei, that is: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with China’s tech giant[^] And they only released new ARM based models on Tuesday ... timing is everything in this game.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Political arguments aside, I see a hidden good that could come of the trade war. A reduction of dependence upon China for pretty much everything. We have all experienced that legendary quality they bring to the goods they export to us - HDD's that are DOA or die in a few weeks; appliances of all sorts that need to be replace frequently; food that's possibly tainted with lethal adulterants; sheet-rock contaminated with radioactive waste; wood flooring that emits toxic fumes; and other countless improvements to our lives. Add to that a generation or so that's used to a disposable way of life - of conspicuous consumption available to the masses - and well, breaking those habits would be good, albeit painful.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
When they can make something, advertise it on FleaBay, store it, pick it, pack it, address it, pay Paypal commission (and probably FleaBay as well), ship it thousands of miles, and arrange for it to be delivered to my door - all for less than the cost of the cheapest letter postage in this country there is something wrong somewhere. Probably many things.
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:wtf: Could be interesting if they have to cook up their own RISC chipset...
And their own OS, and their own apps, and app store, and ... ARM is licenced and will tie them up in court if it works out binary compatible. Given the current level of trust countries are showing Huawei (Oz, US, Canada, NZ, ...) would you want a chip designed by them in your phone? Bear in mind you probably pay with it, access your bank, ...
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And their own OS, and their own apps, and app store, and ... ARM is licenced and will tie them up in court if it works out binary compatible. Given the current level of trust countries are showing Huawei (Oz, US, Canada, NZ, ...) would you want a chip designed by them in your phone? Bear in mind you probably pay with it, access your bank, ...
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I did say Interesting (not a good idea!) they would be in the Zune vs iPod country of cool idea, lets see if we can, oh we missed the boat...
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I did say Interesting (not a good idea!) they would be in the Zune vs iPod country of cool idea, lets see if we can, oh we missed the boat...
Wouldn't be easy either - one of the reasons ARM is so prevalent in the mobile device market is it's incredible power requirements. Not an easy job to catch up with unless you start ignoring IP! :laugh:
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And their own OS, and their own apps, and app store, and ... ARM is licenced and will tie them up in court if it works out binary compatible. Given the current level of trust countries are showing Huawei (Oz, US, Canada, NZ, ...) would you want a chip designed by them in your phone? Bear in mind you probably pay with it, access your bank, ...
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Given the current level of trust countries are showing Huawei (Oz, US, Canada, NZ, ...) would you want a chip designed by them in your phone? Bear in mind you probably pay with it, access your bank, ...
Current speculation is that Huawei's after trade secrets, not any individual's bank account.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Given the current level of trust countries are showing Huawei (Oz, US, Canada, NZ, ...) would you want a chip designed by them in your phone? Bear in mind you probably pay with it, access your bank, ...
Current speculation is that Huawei's after trade secrets, not any individual's bank account.
I mean my bank account barely keeps me a float!!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Given the current level of trust countries are showing Huawei (Oz, US, Canada, NZ, ...) would you want a chip designed by them in your phone? Bear in mind you probably pay with it, access your bank, ...
Current speculation is that Huawei's after trade secrets, not any individual's bank account.
I'm not sure exactly what they are "after" and I doubt anyone outside the upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party do. Destabilising countries by forcing bunches of banks to have cash flow problems would be a "cheap" way to pursue a war, and Huawei are very close to their government. Heck, it'd be self financing in the short term! :laugh:
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I'm not sure exactly what they are "after" and I doubt anyone outside the upper echelons of the Chinese Communist Party do. Destabilising countries by forcing bunches of banks to have cash flow problems would be a "cheap" way to pursue a war, and Huawei are very close to their government. Heck, it'd be self financing in the short term! :laugh:
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Aside from the other nefarious speculation, there is one great and grand agenda of the Chinese Government that they make no secret of: to become the world's technology leader. To further this, they force technology transfer (or just plain steal it). WIth all the nuances of trade negotiations aside, were I in talks with them, the stopping of this would be not only number on on my demand list but 100% non-negotiable. And since the government controls all aspects of their society, I'd make them pay for all product piracy - they could stop it in an instant if they cared to. Now - part two - the actual trade negotiations - will have to do with market access and tit-for-tat on any requirements they have on forced Chinese ownership if one sets up a business/plant/etc. in China. Retroactive to their current holdings if they don't submit. I'd make sure Japan, and other, take really good note of this market-opening, as well.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Political arguments aside, I see a hidden good that could come of the trade war. A reduction of dependence upon China for pretty much everything. We have all experienced that legendary quality they bring to the goods they export to us - HDD's that are DOA or die in a few weeks; appliances of all sorts that need to be replace frequently; food that's possibly tainted with lethal adulterants; sheet-rock contaminated with radioactive waste; wood flooring that emits toxic fumes; and other countless improvements to our lives. Add to that a generation or so that's used to a disposable way of life - of conspicuous consumption available to the masses - and well, breaking those habits would be good, albeit painful.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
A reduction of dependence upon China for pretty much everything
This. Diversity of sourcing is critical for both national and worldwide resilience. Yes, costs will be higher, at least to begin with, but perhaps costs have been artificially low for too long.
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And their own OS, and their own apps, and app store, and ... ARM is licenced and will tie them up in court if it works out binary compatible. Given the current level of trust countries are showing Huawei (Oz, US, Canada, NZ, ...) would you want a chip designed by them in your phone? Bear in mind you probably pay with it, access your bank, ...
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I would not mind a chip from them because the silicon itself does not pose much of a danger. It's their software I worry about. One example : Bloomberg alleges Huawei routers and network gear are backdoored | Ars Technica[^]
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
A reduction of dependence upon China for pretty much everything
This. Diversity of sourcing is critical for both national and worldwide resilience. Yes, costs will be higher, at least to begin with, but perhaps costs have been artificially low for too long.
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Yes, good point. 3D printing has great promise. (I'd call it paradigm shifting if that wasn't a cliché now). That said, it seems that 3D printing still has significant technological barriers before it is ready to disrupt whole economies. Much like general use robots (still, still) and AI that has to cope with disparate real world scenarios (yes, still) and fusion power, it is *still* 'coming soon'.
