Iran war
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I answered on another post. What about you answer mine?
Le centriste wrote:
What about you answer mine?
I'd prefer the US not go to war with Iran (or anyone else)... ever. But sometimes in life, we don't get what we want. I do not think that the Iranian attacks on tankers warrant US military retaliation. Shooting down a US drone is borderline... 1) I doubt the Iranians knew it was unmanned. 2) Regardless of what we're saying to the press, the US knows exactly where the drone was when struck. Could be one of those cases where there is disagreement about whether it's international airspace or not. I suspect the truth will come out in time. All things considered... I do not think that the Iranian attack on the drone warrants US military retaliation.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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Assuming that's true, at best that just shows that he hasn't started any new wars yet. It isn't much of an indicator that he is behaving carefully on the world stage.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
I think it means that some of the world's troublemakers are a little panicky about what Trump might do. It keeps them in check. I'm OK with that.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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Le centriste wrote:
What about you answer mine?
I'd prefer the US not go to war with Iran (or anyone else)... ever. But sometimes in life, we don't get what we want. I do not think that the Iranian attacks on tankers warrant US military retaliation. Shooting down a US drone is borderline... 1) I doubt the Iranians knew it was unmanned. 2) Regardless of what we're saying to the press, the US knows exactly where the drone was when struck. Could be one of those cases where there is disagreement about whether it's international airspace or not. I suspect the truth will come out in time. All things considered... I do not think that the Iranian attack on the drone warrants US military retaliation.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
I'd prefer the US not go to war with Iran (or anyone else)... ever. But sometimes in life, we don't get what we want. I do not think that the Iranian attacks on tankers warrant US military retaliation. Shooting down a US drone is borderline... 1) I doubt the Iranians knew it was unmanned. 2) Regardless of what we're saying to the press, the US knows exactly where the drone was when struck. Could be one of those cases where there is disagreement about whether it's international airspace or not. I suspect the truth will come out in time. All things considered... I do not think that the Iranian attack on the drone warrants US military retaliation.
:thumbsup: I saw on Twitter that an official recognize the drone was in Iranian airspace. But that may false too. We will see the development of the story. All things said, we should always keep an eye on Iran. They are dangerous. The Iran Deal was keeping them at bay, but now that the deal is broken...
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I think it means that some of the world's troublemakers are a little panicky about what Trump might do. It keeps them in check. I'm OK with that.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
Being unpredictable just makes him dangerous - to everyone. And after 2 1/2 years of this nonsense, there is no indication that's it's keeping anyone "in check".
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
I'd prefer the US not go to war with Iran (or anyone else)... ever. But sometimes in life, we don't get what we want. I do not think that the Iranian attacks on tankers warrant US military retaliation. Shooting down a US drone is borderline... 1) I doubt the Iranians knew it was unmanned. 2) Regardless of what we're saying to the press, the US knows exactly where the drone was when struck. Could be one of those cases where there is disagreement about whether it's international airspace or not. I suspect the truth will come out in time. All things considered... I do not think that the Iranian attack on the drone warrants US military retaliation.
:thumbsup: I saw on Twitter that an official recognize the drone was in Iranian airspace. But that may false too. We will see the development of the story. All things said, we should always keep an eye on Iran. They are dangerous. The Iran Deal was keeping them at bay, but now that the deal is broken...
Le centriste wrote:
The Iran Deal was keeping them at bay, but now that the deal is broken...
Don't be naive... that deal was coddling them and trying to buy security. They never stopped supporting terror and never even slowed down developing nuclear weapons.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
your governments cried like scared little lambs
I did not vote for this government. The little trust I had in them kind of died lately.
Why? What happened?
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Being unpredictable just makes him dangerous - to everyone. And after 2 1/2 years of this nonsense, there is no indication that's it's keeping anyone "in check".
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
Majerus wrote:
there is no indication that's it's keeping anyone "in check".
Sure there is - you just refuse to believe it.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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Majerus wrote:
there is no indication that's it's keeping anyone "in check".
Sure there is - you just refuse to believe it.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
So who's being kept in check?
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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So who's being kept in check?
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
All the whack jobs who would have done stupid shit but didn't.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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All the whack jobs who would have done stupid shit but didn't.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
Ah, so you're not talking about Russia or North Korea or Venezuela or Saudi Arabia or even Iran. I don't think acting the idiot is working for Il Douche.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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Ah, so you're not talking about Russia or North Korea or Venezuela or Saudi Arabia or even Iran. I don't think acting the idiot is working for Il Douche.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
:laugh:
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Le centriste wrote:
What about you answer mine?
I'd prefer the US not go to war with Iran (or anyone else)... ever. But sometimes in life, we don't get what we want. I do not think that the Iranian attacks on tankers warrant US military retaliation. Shooting down a US drone is borderline... 1) I doubt the Iranians knew it was unmanned. 2) Regardless of what we're saying to the press, the US knows exactly where the drone was when struck. Could be one of those cases where there is disagreement about whether it's international airspace or not. I suspect the truth will come out in time. All things considered... I do not think that the Iranian attack on the drone warrants US military retaliation.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
I do not think that the Iranian attacks on tankers warrant US military retaliation.
Their military is attacking civilian vessels and that does not justify a response? What exactly would justify a response then?
I didn't say it didn't justify a response. I said it doesn't justify a US military response. The tankers were not American. Let the countries who owned the ships respond as they see fit. Also, if the US decided to respond it should be proportional. From what I hear the cyber response was pretty nifty.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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Why? What happened?
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
[SNC-Lavalin affair - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin\_affair) happened. Also: [carbon tax](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/trudeau-on-metro-morning-oct-23-1.4872751) I will still vote liberal this time because the tory leader is such an idiot.
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I didn't say it didn't justify a response. I said it doesn't justify a US military response. The tankers were not American. Let the countries who owned the ships respond as they see fit. Also, if the US decided to respond it should be proportional. From what I hear the cyber response was pretty nifty.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
I didn't say it didn't justify a response. I said it doesn't justify a US military response.,,,Also, if the US decided to respond it should be proportional
Even though of course the Iranian military carried out this particular attack, so perhaps the CIA should sink a couple their ships???
Mike Mullikin wrote:
The tankers were not American. Let the countries who owned the ships respond as they see fit
Both however come from countries that are strong US allies.