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  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

    Of course we're a simulation. This is an actual discussion of future developers: Dev 1: Well, the baseline seems fine, let's go with this.

    America.President.Color = Colors.White;

    git commit
    git push

    Dev 2: Lol, look at them doing wars about skin color and such, now let's mess 'em up real good!

    America.President.Color = Colors.Black;

    Dev 1: Yo fam, that's wicked lol me like XD

    git commit
    git push

    Dev 1: Hey man, I've got this awesome idea! This will certainly make them go bonkers!

    America.President.Gender = Genders.Female;

    Dev 2: Lmao, and while we're playing with genders anyway, what about this?

    public enum Genders
    {
    Male,
    Female,
    Shemale,
    ApacheHelicopter,
    // ... 240 more lines left out for brevity.

    Dev 1: Hahaha! Awesome! So maybe we shouldn't mess with the president's gender just yet... Let me revert that real quick...

    git checkout AmericanPresident.cs

    Dev 2: So, got any better idea's? Dev 1: Well, I liked your black color, so let's just explore some more colors.

    America.President.Color = Colors.Orange;

    Dev 2: Rofl, and maybe we can do something like make him a pop singer in 2020! Dev 1: Haha, let's think about that some more. So we good? Dev 2: Yeah man, let's get this shit deployed XD

    git commit
    git push

    Dev 1: We should totally share our findings with the Europe dev team! Dev 2: By the way, heard anything from the sys admins? I heard our servers are now running at 100% CPU most of the time, some servers already overheated...

    Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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    Sounds kinda familiar[^]

    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

      Of course we're a simulation. This is an actual discussion of future developers: Dev 1: Well, the baseline seems fine, let's go with this.

      America.President.Color = Colors.White;

      git commit
      git push

      Dev 2: Lol, look at them doing wars about skin color and such, now let's mess 'em up real good!

      America.President.Color = Colors.Black;

      Dev 1: Yo fam, that's wicked lol me like XD

      git commit
      git push

      Dev 1: Hey man, I've got this awesome idea! This will certainly make them go bonkers!

      America.President.Gender = Genders.Female;

      Dev 2: Lmao, and while we're playing with genders anyway, what about this?

      public enum Genders
      {
      Male,
      Female,
      Shemale,
      ApacheHelicopter,
      // ... 240 more lines left out for brevity.

      Dev 1: Hahaha! Awesome! So maybe we shouldn't mess with the president's gender just yet... Let me revert that real quick...

      git checkout AmericanPresident.cs

      Dev 2: So, got any better idea's? Dev 1: Well, I liked your black color, so let's just explore some more colors.

      America.President.Color = Colors.Orange;

      Dev 2: Rofl, and maybe we can do something like make him a pop singer in 2020! Dev 1: Haha, let's think about that some more. So we good? Dev 2: Yeah man, let's get this shit deployed XD

      git commit
      git push

      Dev 1: We should totally share our findings with the Europe dev team! Dev 2: By the way, heard anything from the sys admins? I heard our servers are now running at 100% CPU most of the time, some servers already overheated...

      Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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      Sander Rossel wrote:

      ApacheHelicopter,

      OK, I LOLed...

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      • B BillWoodruff

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        Nevertheless, assuming that the universe is finite and therefore the resources of potential simulators are finite, then a volume containing a simulation will be finite and a lattice spacing must be non-zero, and therefore in principle there always remains the possibility for the simulated to discover the simulators.

        from: "Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation" pdf download of 90% incomprehensible (to me) mathematics and physics available: [^] Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ? If, as the paper comments, the current simulation we experience as "reality" could be a creation of our future selves using some future open-source method, then, extrapolating from the current humongous messes found in today's open-sauce projects, might we postulate the future mess of the simulationsource code would render our proving we are in a simulation impossible. Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?

        «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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        "I refute it thus!" [kicks large stone]

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        • B BillWoodruff

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          Nevertheless, assuming that the universe is finite and therefore the resources of potential simulators are finite, then a volume containing a simulation will be finite and a lattice spacing must be non-zero, and therefore in principle there always remains the possibility for the simulated to discover the simulators.

          from: "Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation" pdf download of 90% incomprehensible (to me) mathematics and physics available: [^] Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ? If, as the paper comments, the current simulation we experience as "reality" could be a creation of our future selves using some future open-source method, then, extrapolating from the current humongous messes found in today's open-sauce projects, might we postulate the future mess of the simulationsource code would render our proving we are in a simulation impossible. Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?

          «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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          You should read James P. Hogan: Realtime Interrupt - a great novel for loosing your sleep at night.

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          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

            If we live in a simulation and discover it we left with only a few options (IMHO): 1. Take soma from "Brave New World"... 2. Go deep into depression and became a dying simulation 3. Try to go on and figure out how we can take over the control of the simulation (hoping that it will be in time)...

            "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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            BillWoodruff
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            4. learn to enjoy the exquisite loneliness of being gods.

            «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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            • B BillWoodruff

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              Nevertheless, assuming that the universe is finite and therefore the resources of potential simulators are finite, then a volume containing a simulation will be finite and a lattice spacing must be non-zero, and therefore in principle there always remains the possibility for the simulated to discover the simulators.

              from: "Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation" pdf download of 90% incomprehensible (to me) mathematics and physics available: [^] Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ? If, as the paper comments, the current simulation we experience as "reality" could be a creation of our future selves using some future open-source method, then, extrapolating from the current humongous messes found in today's open-sauce projects, might we postulate the future mess of the simulationsource code would render our proving we are in a simulation impossible. Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?

              «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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              BillWoodruff
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              Quote:

              “It is quite an illusion to imagine that one adjusts to reality essentially without the use of language and that language is merely an incidental means of solving specific problems of communication or reflection. The fact of the matter is that the 'real world' is to a large extent unconsciously built upon the language habits of the group. No two languages are ever sufficiently similar to be considered as representing the same social reality. The worlds in which different societies live are distinct worlds, not merely the same world with different labels attached. We see and hear and otherwise experience very largely as we do because the language habits of our community predispose certain choices of interpretation.”

              Edward Sapir, 1929

              «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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              • B BillWoodruff

                Quote:

                Nevertheless, assuming that the universe is finite and therefore the resources of potential simulators are finite, then a volume containing a simulation will be finite and a lattice spacing must be non-zero, and therefore in principle there always remains the possibility for the simulated to discover the simulators.

                from: "Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation" pdf download of 90% incomprehensible (to me) mathematics and physics available: [^] Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ? If, as the paper comments, the current simulation we experience as "reality" could be a creation of our future selves using some future open-source method, then, extrapolating from the current humongous messes found in today's open-sauce projects, might we postulate the future mess of the simulationsource code would render our proving we are in a simulation impossible. Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?

                «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                abmv
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                video version -- Computing a Universe Simulation -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GLgZvTCbaA

                Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long

                We are in the beginning of a mass extinction. - Greta Thunberg

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  Of course we're a simulation. This is an actual discussion of future developers: Dev 1: Well, the baseline seems fine, let's go with this.

                  America.President.Color = Colors.White;

                  git commit
                  git push

                  Dev 2: Lol, look at them doing wars about skin color and such, now let's mess 'em up real good!

                  America.President.Color = Colors.Black;

                  Dev 1: Yo fam, that's wicked lol me like XD

                  git commit
                  git push

                  Dev 1: Hey man, I've got this awesome idea! This will certainly make them go bonkers!

                  America.President.Gender = Genders.Female;

                  Dev 2: Lmao, and while we're playing with genders anyway, what about this?

                  public enum Genders
                  {
                  Male,
                  Female,
                  Shemale,
                  ApacheHelicopter,
                  // ... 240 more lines left out for brevity.

                  Dev 1: Hahaha! Awesome! So maybe we shouldn't mess with the president's gender just yet... Let me revert that real quick...

                  git checkout AmericanPresident.cs

                  Dev 2: So, got any better idea's? Dev 1: Well, I liked your black color, so let's just explore some more colors.

                  America.President.Color = Colors.Orange;

                  Dev 2: Rofl, and maybe we can do something like make him a pop singer in 2020! Dev 1: Haha, let's think about that some more. So we good? Dev 2: Yeah man, let's get this shit deployed XD

                  git commit
                  git push

                  Dev 1: We should totally share our findings with the Europe dev team! Dev 2: By the way, heard anything from the sys admins? I heard our servers are now running at 100% CPU most of the time, some servers already overheated...

                  Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                  David ONeil
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                  Sander Rossel wrote:

                  Dev 2: Rofl, and maybe we can do something like make him a pop singer in 2020!

                  Reminds me of our [narcissist in chief dancing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcEc8zeNYxI). If your programmers had anything to do with that, they should lose their jobs! :rolleyes: :omg:

                  The forgotten roots of science | C++ Programming | DWinLib

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                    Sander Rossel wrote:

                    Dev 2: Rofl, and maybe we can do something like make him a pop singer in 2020!

                    Reminds me of our [narcissist in chief dancing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcEc8zeNYxI). If your programmers had anything to do with that, they should lose their jobs! :rolleyes: :omg:

                    The forgotten roots of science | C++ Programming | DWinLib

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                    Sander Rossel
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #13

                    Pretty sweet song though :D

                    Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                      Pretty sweet song though :D

                      Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                      David ONeil
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                      True dat!

                      The forgotten roots of science | C++ Programming | DWinLib

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                      • B BillWoodruff

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                        Nevertheless, assuming that the universe is finite and therefore the resources of potential simulators are finite, then a volume containing a simulation will be finite and a lattice spacing must be non-zero, and therefore in principle there always remains the possibility for the simulated to discover the simulators.

                        from: "Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation" pdf download of 90% incomprehensible (to me) mathematics and physics available: [^] Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ? If, as the paper comments, the current simulation we experience as "reality" could be a creation of our future selves using some future open-source method, then, extrapolating from the current humongous messes found in today's open-sauce projects, might we postulate the future mess of the simulationsource code would render our proving we are in a simulation impossible. Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?

                        «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                        BillWoodruff wrote:

                        Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?

                        We're not sufficiently well dressed to be in Dynasty. We're not sufficiently well written to be in The Sopranos.

                        Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain

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                        • B BillWoodruff

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                          Nevertheless, assuming that the universe is finite and therefore the resources of potential simulators are finite, then a volume containing a simulation will be finite and a lattice spacing must be non-zero, and therefore in principle there always remains the possibility for the simulated to discover the simulators.

                          from: "Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation" pdf download of 90% incomprehensible (to me) mathematics and physics available: [^] Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ? If, as the paper comments, the current simulation we experience as "reality" could be a creation of our future selves using some future open-source method, then, extrapolating from the current humongous messes found in today's open-sauce projects, might we postulate the future mess of the simulationsource code would render our proving we are in a simulation impossible. Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?

                          «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                          Krojer Thomas
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                          Holodeck - exit!

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                          • B BillWoodruff

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                            Nevertheless, assuming that the universe is finite and therefore the resources of potential simulators are finite, then a volume containing a simulation will be finite and a lattice spacing must be non-zero, and therefore in principle there always remains the possibility for the simulated to discover the simulators.

                            from: "Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation" pdf download of 90% incomprehensible (to me) mathematics and physics available: [^] Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ? If, as the paper comments, the current simulation we experience as "reality" could be a creation of our future selves using some future open-source method, then, extrapolating from the current humongous messes found in today's open-sauce projects, might we postulate the future mess of the simulationsource code would render our proving we are in a simulation impossible. Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?

                            «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                            Nelek
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                            BillWoodruff wrote:

                            Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ?

                            I suppose it depends... Do you want to take the red pill or the blue one?

                            M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                            • B BillWoodruff

                              Quote:

                              Nevertheless, assuming that the universe is finite and therefore the resources of potential simulators are finite, then a volume containing a simulation will be finite and a lattice spacing must be non-zero, and therefore in principle there always remains the possibility for the simulated to discover the simulators.

                              from: "Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation" pdf download of 90% incomprehensible (to me) mathematics and physics available: [^] Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ? If, as the paper comments, the current simulation we experience as "reality" could be a creation of our future selves using some future open-source method, then, extrapolating from the current humongous messes found in today's open-sauce projects, might we postulate the future mess of the simulationsource code would render our proving we are in a simulation impossible. Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?

                              «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                              Kirk 10389821
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                              Yes it matters if we know. The Bannister Effect. Once the 4 minute mile was achieved, breaking a belief that it could not be, MANY people did it. So, we have people leading people for years (Carnegie, etc). Tony Robbins. Teaching you to walk on hot coals without getting burned. It would have a transformative power on those that master it. Ala the Matrix. Now here is the sick part... What happens if our simulation is controlled from a simulation, and we discover the technique that those who wrote us use to detect their simulation? (ie, can the machine out think their Gods?)... And what happens if that cascades to destroy the whole thing to start again? BOOM!

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                              • B BillWoodruff

                                Quote:

                                Nevertheless, assuming that the universe is finite and therefore the resources of potential simulators are finite, then a volume containing a simulation will be finite and a lattice spacing must be non-zero, and therefore in principle there always remains the possibility for the simulated to discover the simulators.

                                from: "Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation" pdf download of 90% incomprehensible (to me) mathematics and physics available: [^] Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ? If, as the paper comments, the current simulation we experience as "reality" could be a creation of our future selves using some future open-source method, then, extrapolating from the current humongous messes found in today's open-sauce projects, might we postulate the future mess of the simulationsource code would render our proving we are in a simulation impossible. Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?

                                «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                                User 2893688
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                                Don't drink too much Kool Aid... it's actually bad for your health... ...else we will

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                                • B BillWoodruff

                                  Quote:

                                  Nevertheless, assuming that the universe is finite and therefore the resources of potential simulators are finite, then a volume containing a simulation will be finite and a lattice spacing must be non-zero, and therefore in principle there always remains the possibility for the simulated to discover the simulators.

                                  from: "Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation" pdf download of 90% incomprehensible (to me) mathematics and physics available: [^] Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ? If, as the paper comments, the current simulation we experience as "reality" could be a creation of our future selves using some future open-source method, then, extrapolating from the current humongous messes found in today's open-sauce projects, might we postulate the future mess of the simulationsource code would render our proving we are in a simulation impossible. Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?

                                  «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                                  Slow Eddie
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                                  This would certainly go a long way to explaining the socialists around the world and the democrats in the U.S. in particular. Nancy Pelosi has GOT to be a program bug. ;P

                                  You should only be able to get out of life an amount equal to what you contribute to the common good. Appearances count for nothing performance counts for everything. If this law were enforced (whether we're a simulation or not), the fashion designers, artists, politicians, etc. would not exist.

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                                  • N Nelek

                                    BillWoodruff wrote:

                                    Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ?

                                    I suppose it depends... Do you want to take the red pill or the blue one?

                                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                    BillWoodruff
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                                    Nelek wrote:

                                    Do you want to take the red pill or the blue one?

                                    I'll go ask Goddess when she's ten feet tall. [^]

                                    «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                                    • B BillWoodruff

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                                      “It is quite an illusion to imagine that one adjusts to reality essentially without the use of language and that language is merely an incidental means of solving specific problems of communication or reflection. The fact of the matter is that the 'real world' is to a large extent unconsciously built upon the language habits of the group. No two languages are ever sufficiently similar to be considered as representing the same social reality. The worlds in which different societies live are distinct worlds, not merely the same world with different labels attached. We see and hear and otherwise experience very largely as we do because the language habits of our community predispose certain choices of interpretation.”

                                      Edward Sapir, 1929

                                      «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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                                      Carlosian
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                                      Wow, never saw that quote before. Thanks for sharing it!

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                                        This would certainly go a long way to explaining the socialists around the world and the democrats in the U.S. in particular. Nancy Pelosi has GOT to be a program bug. ;P

                                        You should only be able to get out of life an amount equal to what you contribute to the common good. Appearances count for nothing performance counts for everything. If this law were enforced (whether we're a simulation or not), the fashion designers, artists, politicians, etc. would not exist.

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                                        Carlosian
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                                        Wow. A world without art. Boy would that suck. I'm glad that rule isn't enforced!

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                                        • C Carlosian

                                          Wow, never saw that quote before. Thanks for sharing it!

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                                          BillWoodruff
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                                          you might enjoy this:

                                          Quote:

                                          “The beginning, middle, and end of the birth, growth, and perfection of whatever we behold is from contraries, by contraries, and to contraries; and whatever contrariety is, there is action and reaction, there is motion, diversity, multitude, and order, there are degrees, succession and vicissitude.” Giordano Bruno, written circa 1600CE

                                          Words like these got Bruno burned at the stake for heresy in 1609CE.

                                          «Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot

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