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  • R Ravi Bhavnani

    I also prefer #1.  But shouldn't it be "Token received" if token isn't Guid.Empty? :) /ravi

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    Richard Deeming
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    Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

    But shouldn't it be "Token received" if token isn't Guid.Empty?

    A perfect illustration of the mental gymnastics involved here. :) Assert.IsTrue displays the message if the assumption isn't met. Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, ... displays the message if token == Guid.Empty, meaning that "token not received" is the correct message.


    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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    • G GKP1992

      In most cases I put the conditions which prevent code execution (like error cases) first and the condition in which the code must execute comes last.

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      OriginalGriff
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      #9

      I do the same - if only because the "failure case code" is generally shorter:

      MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
      return;

      And it's more obvious what is going on that way. Plus ... it's a layer less indentation:

      if (goodThing)
      {
      ...
      }
      else
      {
      MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
      return;
      }

      Vs:

      if (!goodThing)
      {
      MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
      return;
      }
      ...

      And it groups validations at the top of methods, leaving the "good code" alone at the end:

      if (!goodThing)
      {
      MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
      return;
      }
      if (!otherThingIWantToSee)
      {
      MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
      return;
      }
      ...

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        I do the same - if only because the "failure case code" is generally shorter:

        MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
        return;

        And it's more obvious what is going on that way. Plus ... it's a layer less indentation:

        if (goodThing)
        {
        ...
        }
        else
        {
        MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
        return;
        }

        Vs:

        if (!goodThing)
        {
        MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
        return;
        }
        ...

        And it groups validations at the top of methods, leaving the "good code" alone at the end:

        if (!goodThing)
        {
        MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
        return;
        }
        if (!otherThingIWantToSee)
        {
        MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
        return;
        }
        ...

        Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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        Rick York
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        I once had to adhere to a rather arcane coding standard that required only one return statement per function. It made for some very deep indentation so I resorted to using many more very small functions. It's a bit less of an issue now with very high resolution monitors but back then it was very annoying.

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          I do the same - if only because the "failure case code" is generally shorter:

          MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
          return;

          And it's more obvious what is going on that way. Plus ... it's a layer less indentation:

          if (goodThing)
          {
          ...
          }
          else
          {
          MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
          return;
          }

          Vs:

          if (!goodThing)
          {
          MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
          return;
          }
          ...

          And it groups validations at the top of methods, leaving the "good code" alone at the end:

          if (!goodThing)
          {
          MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
          return;
          }
          if (!otherThingIWantToSee)
          {
          MessageBox.Show("...", "...");
          return;
          }
          ...

          Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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          GKP1992
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          #11

          Now that you wrote it, I see why it is obvious. I didn't think about it that much when I posted. To me it just made better sense when coding probably because of the lesser/better indentation. Also it really pays off when the code is called recursively.

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          • M Marc Clifton

            Which do you prefer: Option 1:

            Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

            or Option 2:

            Assert.IsFalse(token == Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

            Personally, I go for option 1, because there's a bias to assert that things are true rather than false (except in politics) and it reads better. I have to process the false == into a true !=. With Option 1, I don't have to do that. Interesting how the mind works. Maybe a psychopath would go for option 2? ;P

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            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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            One

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            • M Marc Clifton

              Which do you prefer: Option 1:

              Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

              or Option 2:

              Assert.IsFalse(token == Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

              Personally, I go for option 1, because there's a bias to assert that things are true rather than false (except in politics) and it reads better. I have to process the false == into a true !=. With Option 1, I don't have to do that. Interesting how the mind works. Maybe a psychopath would go for option 2? ;P

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              Mark_Wallace
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              Always go for what is, not what is not, if possible. Less mental boggling, that way.

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              • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                But shouldn't it be "Token received" if token isn't Guid.Empty?

                A perfect illustration of the mental gymnastics involved here. :) Assert.IsTrue displays the message if the assumption isn't met. Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, ... displays the message if token == Guid.Empty, meaning that "token not received" is the correct message.


                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                Ravi Bhavnani
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                Gaaah! :-O I'm going to blame it on lack of caffeine, even though the real reason is sheer stupidity. /ravi

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                • R Rick York

                  I once had to adhere to a rather arcane coding standard that required only one return statement per function. It made for some very deep indentation so I resorted to using many more very small functions. It's a bit less of an issue now with very high resolution monitors but back then it was very annoying.

                  "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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                  Mycroft Holmes
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                  An adamant refusal to use GOTO :laugh:

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                  • M Marc Clifton

                    Which do you prefer: Option 1:

                    Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                    or Option 2:

                    Assert.IsFalse(token == Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                    Personally, I go for option 1, because there's a bias to assert that things are true rather than false (except in politics) and it reads better. I have to process the false == into a true !=. With Option 1, I don't have to do that. Interesting how the mind works. Maybe a psychopath would go for option 2? ;P

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                    Chris Maunder
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                    #16

                    I always prefer a positive comparison rather than negative so I prefer the first. Except the "IsFalse" kinda does my head in. How about

                    Assert.IsNotTrue(token == Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                    *head explodes*

                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                    • M Mycroft Holmes

                      An adamant refusal to use GOTO :laugh:

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                      Rick York
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                      Using goto was forbidden. It was in C++ so that had something to do with it. The irony of it was they had this arcane and tedious coding standard and used a library they wrote themselves that was utterly atrocious. It is easily the worst library I have ever had to deal with. Here's one little tidbit : the whole thing was built around a state machine that changed states by throwing an exception. :wtf: I would have to work really hard to come up with a design worse than that.

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        Which do you prefer: Option 1:

                        Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                        or Option 2:

                        Assert.IsFalse(token == Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                        Personally, I go for option 1, because there's a bias to assert that things are true rather than false (except in politics) and it reads better. I have to process the false == into a true !=. With Option 1, I don't have to do that. Interesting how the mind works. Maybe a psychopath would go for option 2? ;P

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                        Sander Rossel
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #18

                        Just thinking outside of the box here...

                        Assert.NotEqual(token, Guid.Empty, "Token not received");

                        :D

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                        • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                          Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                          But shouldn't it be "Token received" if token isn't Guid.Empty?

                          A perfect illustration of the mental gymnastics involved here. :) Assert.IsTrue displays the message if the assumption isn't met. Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, ... displays the message if token == Guid.Empty, meaning that "token not received" is the correct message.


                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                          BillWoodruff
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                          Richard Deeming wrote:

                          perfect illustration of the mental gymnastic

                          Or, perfect illustration of the twisted minds that defined 'Assert semantics :wtf:

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                          • M Marc Clifton

                            Which do you prefer: Option 1:

                            Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                            or Option 2:

                            Assert.IsFalse(token == Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                            Personally, I go for option 1, because there's a bias to assert that things are true rather than false (except in politics) and it reads better. I have to process the false == into a true !=. With Option 1, I don't have to do that. Interesting how the mind works. Maybe a psychopath would go for option 2? ;P

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                            Stuart Dootson
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                            I prefer the second... I often find myself doing (in C++ unit tests) ```C++ ASSERT(!some_condition); ``` or ```C++ ASSERT(some_condition == false); ``` rather than ```C++ ASSERT_FALSE(some_condition); ``` Same thing, really, but as you say, there's an unconscious desire to be positive, I guess.

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                            • M Marc Clifton

                              Which do you prefer: Option 1:

                              Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                              or Option 2:

                              Assert.IsFalse(token == Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                              Personally, I go for option 1, because there's a bias to assert that things are true rather than false (except in politics) and it reads better. I have to process the false == into a true !=. With Option 1, I don't have to do that. Interesting how the mind works. Maybe a psychopath would go for option 2? ;P

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                              Rage
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                              I always chose "!=" over "==", as an habit of the embedded world where == is forbidden by implicit rules due to the possible mistake with =.

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                              • M Marc Clifton

                                Which do you prefer: Option 1:

                                Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                                or Option 2:

                                Assert.IsFalse(token == Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                                Personally, I go for option 1, because there's a bias to assert that things are true rather than false (except in politics) and it reads better. I have to process the false == into a true !=. With Option 1, I don't have to do that. Interesting how the mind works. Maybe a psychopath would go for option 2? ;P

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                                mdblack98
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                                I would prefer something that rings true and has an explanation when it fails. Assert.IsTrue(TokenIsValid(token), "Invalid Token: "+ TokenCheck(token)); TokenCheck would say "Empty", "Wrong Length...must be 4 bytes" (or whatever), "Exceeds limits of 0-100"...etc.... Mike

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                                • M Mycroft Holmes

                                  An adamant refusal to use GOTO :laugh:

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                                  Gary Wheeler
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                                  Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                  use GOTO

                                  Burn the heretic!

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    Which do you prefer: Option 1:

                                    Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                                    or Option 2:

                                    Assert.IsFalse(token == Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                                    Personally, I go for option 1, because there's a bias to assert that things are true rather than false (except in politics) and it reads better. I have to process the false == into a true !=. With Option 1, I don't have to do that. Interesting how the mind works. Maybe a psychopath would go for option 2? ;P

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                                    Gary Wheeler
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                                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                                    Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                                    Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, "Token is empty (not received).");

                                    :-D The sense of the description now matches that of the assertion.

                                    Software Zen: delete this;

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                                    • R Rick York

                                      Using goto was forbidden. It was in C++ so that had something to do with it. The irony of it was they had this arcane and tedious coding standard and used a library they wrote themselves that was utterly atrocious. It is easily the worst library I have ever had to deal with. Here's one little tidbit : the whole thing was built around a state machine that changed states by throwing an exception. :wtf: I would have to work really hard to come up with a design worse than that.

                                      "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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                                      Navanax
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                                      Seen it; rewrote it. In (pre-Visual) BASIC code (ON ERROR GOTOs that would branch to different line labels depending on the ERRNO thrown) for nuclear weapons effects. Guess it's fitting, in retrospect, that "bomb code" worked by "blowing up" :)

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                                      • S Stuart Dootson

                                        I prefer the second... I often find myself doing (in C++ unit tests) ```C++ ASSERT(!some_condition); ``` or ```C++ ASSERT(some_condition == false); ``` rather than ```C++ ASSERT_FALSE(some_condition); ``` Same thing, really, but as you say, there's an unconscious desire to be positive, I guess.

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                                        kalberts
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                                        If you prefer to compare a logical expression to a logical constant (true, false), then I beg to disagree! Do you ask someone: Is it true that you want a cup of coffee? Or do you ask: Do you want a cup of coffee? You reserve the "Is is true that" form to very special cases, like: Is is true that you love me? So "== true" or "== false" is completely banned from any code that I handle!

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                                        • M Marc Clifton

                                          Which do you prefer: Option 1:

                                          Assert.IsTrue(token != Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                                          or Option 2:

                                          Assert.IsFalse(token == Guid.Empty, "Token not received.");

                                          Personally, I go for option 1, because there's a bias to assert that things are true rather than false (except in politics) and it reads better. I have to process the false == into a true !=. With Option 1, I don't have to do that. Interesting how the mind works. Maybe a psychopath would go for option 2? ;P

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                                          obermd
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                                          Since there is a negation in the statement, I'd rather use option 2 in this case. The negation is clearer to me.

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