What is your C64?
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Netronics Elf II[^], a kit based on the original COSMAC Elf[^] from 1976. Build one yourself to find out why it was so much fun. The little graphics chip is almost impossible to find anymore, but the processor has still been in production until a few years ago. This is a computer from the time when you had to solder if you wanted to have your own computer. The parts list is astonishingly shhort for the time and the little guy could do a lot, even without expansions. Ok, 256 bytes RAM were a little restrictive, but by adding the graphics chip (whopping 64 x 64 pixel resolution) you could already make something happen on a screen. DIY computers and kits often had no graphics at all, so this was really something. Best of all: I still have it and it's still as good as ever. Ok, the bus connectors and the keyboards are worn out, but I want to keep it in its original state and don't want to rip it apart. Instead, I'm designing a new one. Overclocked processor, 16 Mb RAM, PIC32 based graphics chip. Lots of fun. Much more interesting than the antics of Mickeysoft and the like.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
What are you using to recreate the processor?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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The first computer I owned wasn't until after I left university, and had enough disposable income (after beer charges, natch) to be able to buy what I wanted when I wanted it. Amstrad PC1640 (the twin floppy version), which I immediately upgraded with a Hardcard: a HDD and controller on a big long PC slot card. 32MB that I thought was amazing, even with an access speed measured in furlongs per fortnight compared to modern stuff.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
access speed measured in furlongs per fortnight
I still have that problem. The controllers basically were glorified parallel ports. You were lucky when the CPU did not have to access that port several times to bit bang the signals on the bus. That part probably was already done by about 20 pounds of TTL logic on that board. Still, fetching one 16 bit word after another over the ISA bus (or its XT predecessor) is a slow affair. Or did they really invest another 20 pounds of TTL logic in some DMA feature?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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What are you using to recreate the processor?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
The real thing. I have a brand new CDP1802BCE for that, but maybe I will need a second one on the graphics card. I want 3D graphics on an 8 bit processor :-)
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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In the late 70s and early 80s (that is 1970s/1980s) there was a big rush in the home computer market, that concludes in our time with computers everywhere... I had some discussions about that time and was wondering... * Was that really that good? * What was so good (or bad) about it? * Do we have it somewhere today? * What is/was your C64? I wasn't aware of it then (no other experience), but what is most amazing while looking back is the total control, the work without any mediator between you and the computer, between the software and the hardware (which was of course a source some interesting smell/smoke/noise)... I could sit down after-school and within a few seconds was in the computer, hacking it away... What is your experience?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
The company I worked for gave me and DEC LSI-11/23 running some flavor of unix, with the cc compiler and a vt100 to take home as it was destined for scrap. This was the day of the C64, Amiga and others. This was entertaining until I got one of those new fangled 8088 XT PC clones from Taiwan - the ones with the flip top metal case that were seemingly everywhere and ran DOS 3.31. In between the family bought a TI994a that had BASIC and went composite to the TV but frankly, that didn't count for much of anything. We made basic loops that send expletives to the TV. Ah-ha, see what we made the computer say. Today fortunately for everyone, our Echo Dot is hip to our tendencies and won't play ball.
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In the late 70s and early 80s (that is 1970s/1980s) there was a big rush in the home computer market, that concludes in our time with computers everywhere... I had some discussions about that time and was wondering... * Was that really that good? * What was so good (or bad) about it? * Do we have it somewhere today? * What is/was your C64? I wasn't aware of it then (no other experience), but what is most amazing while looking back is the total control, the work without any mediator between you and the computer, between the software and the hardware (which was of course a source some interesting smell/smoke/noise)... I could sit down after-school and within a few seconds was in the computer, hacking it away... What is your experience?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Maximilien wrote:
I wish I still has it.
But why? What was so good about it?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
What was so good about it?
Imagine a multitasking windowed-OS, on 880Kb.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
What was so good about it?
Imagine a multitasking windowed-OS, on 880Kb.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Like GEOS? I had that on 64Kb too :-)
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Maximilien wrote:
I wish I still has it.
But why? What was so good about it?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
Very good (for the time) graphics, sound chip, motorola 68000, OS. And there was a game on it that I really liked, [The Four Crystals of Trazere - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLlS4AcJfY) , I still think about it. and others like Eye of the Beholder.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Mine was a ZX Spectrum[^] 48K. Although it nearly wasn't - when we got it home, the box was empty. They'd given us the display box instead of getting one of the real boxes from the back of the store. :laugh:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
when we got it home, ... from the back of the store.
Now, that's dating you! (And me, of course!)
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In the late 70s and early 80s (that is 1970s/1980s) there was a big rush in the home computer market, that concludes in our time with computers everywhere... I had some discussions about that time and was wondering... * Was that really that good? * What was so good (or bad) about it? * Do we have it somewhere today? * What is/was your C64? I wasn't aware of it then (no other experience), but what is most amazing while looking back is the total control, the work without any mediator between you and the computer, between the software and the hardware (which was of course a source some interesting smell/smoke/noise)... I could sit down after-school and within a few seconds was in the computer, hacking it away... What is your experience?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
At first there was the PET, 25 lines by 40 columns with character graphics and all the green screen fun you might want. I spent a fortune to increase the memory from 8k to 16k. Then I spent another fortune on twin floppy-disk drives. The equivalent of $2,000 for 1.02Mb Commodore format 5 1/4" floppies. Then I got a second-hand "business class" PET fairly cheap with 25 lines and 80 columns and a very pale green (they claimed white) screen. Amazing - except the lines didn't join vertically as there was a couple of pixels gap between lines, presumably to improve readability on lines of business stuff - but no good for games. I then started a home PC rental company and supplied ZX-81s, Dragons, BBC-Bs, TRS-80s and the brand new ZX-Spectrum! We set up the option to rent before you buy and most people ended up buying, thank goodness. It didn't last long as a couple of friends of mine I partnered with wanted to concentrate on ZX-81s and I wanted to just do the BBC-B. They were married and outvoted me 2 to 1 so we got a bunch of ZX-81s (and Spectrums) which luckily sold quickly bringing almost no income or profit. At the same time we got dozens of requests for the BBC micro but we ran out after we sold both we had in stock and my partners didn't want to admit they were wrong so we didn't buy more - and closed down the business after the last PC we had, the one and only Dragon, sold. Then, PCs, and the rest is history. Note: We also had a VIC 20 but never had a C64.
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Very good (for the time) graphics, sound chip, motorola 68000, OS. And there was a game on it that I really liked, [The Four Crystals of Trazere - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLlS4AcJfY) , I still think about it. and others like Eye of the Beholder.
I'd rather be phishing!
Maximilien wrote:
Very good (for the time) graphics, sound chip,
The Ataris had an excellent chipset from the beginning, always ahead of their time.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Mine was a ZX Spectrum[^] 48K. Although it nearly wasn't - when we got it home, the box was empty. They'd given us the display box instead of getting one of the real boxes from the back of the store. :laugh:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Ah, good old Sinclair. I was expecting to get the one with 16 Kb RAM, but instead got the 48K version. It was hard to believe a computer could have that much memory - it used all the 8-bit address space (16 Kb ROM + 48 Kb RAM).
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In the late 70s and early 80s (that is 1970s/1980s) there was a big rush in the home computer market, that concludes in our time with computers everywhere... I had some discussions about that time and was wondering... * Was that really that good? * What was so good (or bad) about it? * Do we have it somewhere today? * What is/was your C64? I wasn't aware of it then (no other experience), but what is most amazing while looking back is the total control, the work without any mediator between you and the computer, between the software and the hardware (which was of course a source some interesting smell/smoke/noise)... I could sit down after-school and within a few seconds was in the computer, hacking it away... What is your experience?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
I was 16 during the 'price wars' of the early '80s. My parents got us (my brothers and I) a TI-994/a for Christmas of '82. (maybe '83?) I was the only one that took an interest in it aside from the few games that came with it and was soon using it to solve high school math homework. I still have it in the original box. I took several CS classes at uni in the late '80s but got barred from the computer lab when I refused to give up a terminal to a grad student. I would not own another computer until my Dad brought home a couple of PowerMac 6100s (around '97) that were being scrapped at his work. (one of the baby bells) I got back into school and bought my first Windows system in late '98. What a wondrous thing it was to discover that the computer lab was a thing of the past! :)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Ah, good old Sinclair. I was expecting to get the one with 16 Kb RAM, but instead got the 48K version. It was hard to believe a computer could have that much memory - it used all the 8-bit address space (16 Kb ROM + 48 Kb RAM).
That's why I liked the HD64180 - it was binary compatible with the Z80, but included a bunch of peripherals, including an MMU which let you page in sections from a 1MB address space (PLCC pack only, the DIP was 512KB).
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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In the late 70s and early 80s (that is 1970s/1980s) there was a big rush in the home computer market, that concludes in our time with computers everywhere... I had some discussions about that time and was wondering... * Was that really that good? * What was so good (or bad) about it? * Do we have it somewhere today? * What is/was your C64? I wasn't aware of it then (no other experience), but what is most amazing while looking back is the total control, the work without any mediator between you and the computer, between the software and the hardware (which was of course a source some interesting smell/smoke/noise)... I could sit down after-school and within a few seconds was in the computer, hacking it away... What is your experience?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
This is going to be slightly embarrasing, but my first computer was a Bally Astrocade[^]. I got the BASIC cartridge for it. It had a mind boggling 1.8K of RAM. That's right, 1,760 BYTES to store your code! But, the cart didn't have any RAM at all, so where does your code get stored? It was very cleverly interleaved into the video RAM. ...and that's what kicked off my career in code, 1978. Yes, you can write code on a calculator keypad. There was a keypad overlay, and the bottom row of keys were 4 different "shift" keys. Every other key on the keypad had up to 5 different meanings, like a letter, number, symbol, or BASIC keyword, depending on which "shift" key was used before it, or none of them.
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In the late 70s and early 80s (that is 1970s/1980s) there was a big rush in the home computer market, that concludes in our time with computers everywhere... I had some discussions about that time and was wondering... * Was that really that good? * What was so good (or bad) about it? * Do we have it somewhere today? * What is/was your C64? I wasn't aware of it then (no other experience), but what is most amazing while looking back is the total control, the work without any mediator between you and the computer, between the software and the hardware (which was of course a source some interesting smell/smoke/noise)... I could sit down after-school and within a few seconds was in the computer, hacking it away... What is your experience?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
The first one that was in the house was an Amstrad 1512 (?) -- with the hardcard already installed. I wiped the drive of its DR-DOS (?) and GEM GUI (yuck) and installed MS-DOS 3, Turbo Pascal 5.5, and PFS: First Choice (I still have the book and 5.25" floppies). But the first one which was mine -- college graduation present -- was a CompuAdd 486SX with MS-DOS 5 and Windows 3 .
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In the late 70s and early 80s (that is 1970s/1980s) there was a big rush in the home computer market, that concludes in our time with computers everywhere... I had some discussions about that time and was wondering... * Was that really that good? * What was so good (or bad) about it? * Do we have it somewhere today? * What is/was your C64? I wasn't aware of it then (no other experience), but what is most amazing while looking back is the total control, the work without any mediator between you and the computer, between the software and the hardware (which was of course a source some interesting smell/smoke/noise)... I could sit down after-school and within a few seconds was in the computer, hacking it away... What is your experience?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
My first computer was the Sinclair ZX81 which had 1K of RAM. I was ecstatic when the 16 expansion module came out, because I could do my inventory with it. My next was the C64, an incredible bargain considering what it could do. I learned both C and assembly with that PC. My next PC was the Amiga 1000, and after that, I had learned enough to change careers and program professionally. I still have all three computers.
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In the late 70s and early 80s (that is 1970s/1980s) there was a big rush in the home computer market, that concludes in our time with computers everywhere... I had some discussions about that time and was wondering... * Was that really that good? * What was so good (or bad) about it? * Do we have it somewhere today? * What is/was your C64? I wasn't aware of it then (no other experience), but what is most amazing while looking back is the total control, the work without any mediator between you and the computer, between the software and the hardware (which was of course a source some interesting smell/smoke/noise)... I could sit down after-school and within a few seconds was in the computer, hacking it away... What is your experience?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
I never had a C64 but I have an amusing story about them. At my first job out of school we did a lot of rather interesting projects. We also did some weird ones. One of them was for a large manufacturer of batteries. They made a system in-house that monitored the growth of the cells in a deposition furnace. The system used a very early CCD array (essentially a DRAM chip with the cover removed) as a digital camera and a program written in BASIC to examine the image from the camera and decide when the cell was had grown enough. Our part of the system was procurement and assembly of some things. The amusing part of all of this is the system ran on a Commodore 64. Our purchasing agent looked "all over" for a source and finally went down to the local K-Mart and bought 98 Commodore 64s. I think it took three trips to get them all to the shop. I thought the whole thing was hilarious, especially the part about getting them at K-mart. That was the one and only I remember ever buying anything at K-mart for a project in my entire career.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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In the late 70s and early 80s (that is 1970s/1980s) there was a big rush in the home computer market, that concludes in our time with computers everywhere... I had some discussions about that time and was wondering... * Was that really that good? * What was so good (or bad) about it? * Do we have it somewhere today? * What is/was your C64? I wasn't aware of it then (no other experience), but what is most amazing while looking back is the total control, the work without any mediator between you and the computer, between the software and the hardware (which was of course a source some interesting smell/smoke/noise)... I could sit down after-school and within a few seconds was in the computer, hacking it away... What is your experience?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
Nostalgia can be a tricky thing. My first computer was a C64, which my dad got me on Christmas of 83, I believe, which would've made me 11. That, and the tape drive. All I could do during that first year was type in my own programs (or from magazines) and save them to cassette, or play cartridge-based games. The next Christmas, I got the floppy drive - so despite it being notoriously slow, given I had gotten used to a tape drive for a year, I thought that was a huge improvement. The following Christmas, I got a printer. In hindsight, given what each device sold for, even back then, I really have to appreciate this amounted to *a lot* of money my dad set aside to get me these one Christmas after another. I then bought myself the C64C, so my folks gave the original one (just the computer) to a couple of friends of theirs, for their kid. Later I got myself the C128. I genuinely have no idea what happened to those computers...sometimes I wish I still had them. I remember doing a lot of high school work with GEOS. The Amiga was always out of my reach, price-wise, but Commodore advertised it rather heavily in the magazines I read, so I did have a bit of envy. It's probably just as well I didn't know anyone who had one. Having a bit of a hard time with English technical manuals during my teen years, while I did learn a lot of Basic, I never learned assembly, so PEEKs and POKEs meant nothing for me except for a few items I had come to learn by heart. About 2 years ago, thanks to Amazon shipping internationally, I bought the C64 Mini (look it up) when it was still only available in Europe...had I waited a few more months, when it finally showed up in the US and Canada, I could've paid a lot less for it. But, I don't really regret it. While it's okay for some games, the moment you need to use the keyboard, you're at a real disadvantage - you either have to use an onscreen keyboard that you can only control through the USB joystick, or hook up a USB keyboard (and my hub somehow doesn't work with it). The company that makes it will be releasing a full-size version at the end of the year (with a functional keyboard, this time around), and I have to admit I'm rather intrigued... Emulators on a PC don't do it for me. Archive.org has a ton of old magazines, and I actually remember some covers from a few of them. While they're interesting enough for a quick read here and there, just for nostalgia's sake, I can't imagine myself sitting down and start typing in some of the sample listings. So what was
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Dick Smith in Australia put out a "Super 80" computer which was basically a Radio Shack TRS-80 model II knock off, but at less than half the price. Briefly owned one, smashed it to bits with a hammer (most fun I ever had with it) when I moved onto... a Beeb (BBC Micro) with ISO Pascal ROM because BASIC was for weenies that couldn't write proper programs. (It was a real "structured language!") after that briefly an "IBM-PC clone" - 8086, that was a real CPU with the huge 10MB HDD and 3.5" floppy (I mean 5MB just didn't cut it and 5 1/4 FDDs were just too, well, too floppy - not that they had anything on the flex of an 8".) onto a celeron 386 (XP, multi tasking), i5 4650 (FreeBSD - Unix then win7 for doing work), and now i5-8400 (linux because let's face it, win10 sucks and is a waste on a modern CPU)
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