Win10 UI : The NavBar Grab Problem
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What version of Office are you using? I use Windows 10 with an older version of Office and the "grab" areas are normal size. So it's probably not a Windows thing.
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So, Win10 has made the Title bar of every window extremely small -- they've collapsed it and added the toolbar (icons) directly to the nav bar. Now, I often have trouble even finding a place that will accept a "grab" when I need to drag and drop the window somewhere else. For example, in MS Word you can only grab the nav bar in the middle of the window. Shown here between the two "off limits" red boxes : https://i.stack.imgur.com/LspUm.png[^] Small Space To Grab Window That means if you need to grab your window from the left or the right side -- because other windows are obscuring it -- you cannot. Instead you have to make sure you can see the middle of the window and grab it there. Other Apps - Different Locations However, in other apps, the only place you can grab are small places at the edges. In FireFox for example, you can only grab the nav bar in the two small locations shown in this image: https://i.stack.imgur.com/zCjbT.png[^] No Consistency So, as windows overlap each other there is no consistent place to grab a window to move it. It's quite annoying and a waste of time.
Now, try it on a tablet ... :sigh:
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What version of Office are you using? I use Windows 10 with an older version of Office and the "grab" areas are normal size. So it's probably not a Windows thing.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
Part 2 on "What Version?" Wow, it is really difficult to find that info. Had to find the Excel.exe and do a File...Properties on it. It ends up being version 16.0.11901.20176 Everything is weird now. :~ Here's a snapshot: https://i.stack.imgur.com/Gm2cA.png[^]
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Now, try it on a tablet ... :sigh:
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Part 2 on "What Version?" Wow, it is really difficult to find that info. Had to find the Excel.exe and do a File...Properties on it. It ends up being version 16.0.11901.20176 Everything is weird now. :~ Here's a snapshot: https://i.stack.imgur.com/Gm2cA.png[^]
raddevus wrote:
Wow, it is really difficult to find that info. Had to find the Excel.exe and do a File...Properties on it.
File -> Office Account.
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You obviously haven't been stuck with using the edge browser. I think they called it "edge" because there's only 1 cm of one edge that's safe to grab it by. What you have to remember is that winio is designed to be used on mobile (cell) phones, where every app is full-screen, so making it possible to grab background screens really isn't an issue. So get with the program! Stop coding on a computer! Do everything on your phone! It's The Way of the Future! Bloody Luddites!
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i did run a *nix shell prompt from a rooted phone of mine way back when. i hate typing with my thumbs though so i gave it up.
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You obviously haven't been stuck with using the edge browser. I think they called it "edge" because there's only 1 cm of one edge that's safe to grab it by. What you have to remember is that winio is designed to be used on mobile (cell) phones, where every app is full-screen, so making it possible to grab background screens really isn't an issue. So get with the program! Stop coding on a computer! Do everything on your phone! It's The Way of the Future! Bloody Luddites!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
[You guys have phone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly10r6m\_-n8), right?! ;P
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Now, try it on a tablet ...
I'm bettin' it's really terrible ain't it?
You have no idea ...
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So, Win10 has made the Title bar of every window extremely small -- they've collapsed it and added the toolbar (icons) directly to the nav bar. Now, I often have trouble even finding a place that will accept a "grab" when I need to drag and drop the window somewhere else. For example, in MS Word you can only grab the nav bar in the middle of the window. Shown here between the two "off limits" red boxes : https://i.stack.imgur.com/LspUm.png[^] Small Space To Grab Window That means if you need to grab your window from the left or the right side -- because other windows are obscuring it -- you cannot. Instead you have to make sure you can see the middle of the window and grab it there. Other Apps - Different Locations However, in other apps, the only place you can grab are small places at the edges. In FireFox for example, you can only grab the nav bar in the two small locations shown in this image: https://i.stack.imgur.com/zCjbT.png[^] No Consistency So, as windows overlap each other there is no consistent place to grab a window to move it. It's quite annoying and a waste of time.
I don't have a problem with that, because a keyboard user does not touch the mouse for moving windows.
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Part 2 on "What Version?" Wow, it is really difficult to find that info. Had to find the Excel.exe and do a File...Properties on it. It ends up being version 16.0.11901.20176 Everything is weird now. :~ Here's a snapshot: https://i.stack.imgur.com/Gm2cA.png[^]
In Word, select File --> Account. This gives you the basic information. Mine says: Microsoft Office 365 ProPlus and below that: version 1906 (build 11727.20244 Click-to-Run) I had not paid attention before this, but MS is using the same naming schema as Windows. Click About Word to get more details. When when Microsoft posts a version number, they hide it in plain sight. My version is listed on the About dialog as: Microsoft Word for Office 365 MSO (16.0.11727.20222) 32-bit The average end user may not recognize it as version 16 ...
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raddevus wrote:
Wow, it is really difficult to find that info. Had to find the Excel.exe and do a File...Properties on it.
File -> Office Account.
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Michael Martin wrote:
File -> Office Account.
Never would've guessed that. It makes sense that after all these years of Help...About... in every product you can think of that Microsoft decides to change the place where you find version info. Also, in Outlook it is File...Office Account... In Word it is just File...Account... So chalk up another for consistency. :) We seem to be running Office 365 and it is version 1907 (I believe that is the year it was developed).
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In Word, select File --> Account. This gives you the basic information. Mine says: Microsoft Office 365 ProPlus and below that: version 1906 (build 11727.20244 Click-to-Run) I had not paid attention before this, but MS is using the same naming schema as Windows. Click About Word to get more details. When when Microsoft posts a version number, they hide it in plain sight. My version is listed on the About dialog as: Microsoft Word for Office 365 MSO (16.0.11727.20222) 32-bit The average end user may not recognize it as version 16 ...
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Thanks, it is crazy that even the place to get version info has moved. I mean Help...About... is in every app for over 20 years and now I have to go to File...Account (and File...Office Account... in Outlook - no consistency).
The Office team has run out of real functionality to implement, so it appears they make cosmetic changes that provide an illusion of change without producing anything useful.
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So, Win10 has made the Title bar of every window extremely small -- they've collapsed it and added the toolbar (icons) directly to the nav bar. Now, I often have trouble even finding a place that will accept a "grab" when I need to drag and drop the window somewhere else. For example, in MS Word you can only grab the nav bar in the middle of the window. Shown here between the two "off limits" red boxes : https://i.stack.imgur.com/LspUm.png[^] Small Space To Grab Window That means if you need to grab your window from the left or the right side -- because other windows are obscuring it -- you cannot. Instead you have to make sure you can see the middle of the window and grab it there. Other Apps - Different Locations However, in other apps, the only place you can grab are small places at the edges. In FireFox for example, you can only grab the nav bar in the two small locations shown in this image: https://i.stack.imgur.com/zCjbT.png[^] No Consistency So, as windows overlap each other there is no consistent place to grab a window to move it. It's quite annoying and a waste of time.
Please try the following: Press keyboard "Windows" + Direction key (Up, down, right, left). Isn't this cool?
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What version of Office are you using? I use Windows 10 with an older version of Office and the "grab" areas are normal size. So it's probably not a Windows thing.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
David Crow wrote:
I use Windows 10 with an older version of Office and the "grab" areas are normal size.
Yup. That's because it's not a Windows 10 feature, it's a bunch of individual app developers all drinking similar koolaid and rolling their own mutually inconsistent and frequently buggy implementations of custom titlebars they can vomit buttons into. I blame browser authors pushing tabs into the titlebar for making this crime against usability seem acceptable. X| If it was an officially supported feature it'd suck less in that the titlebar would still have all its regular features and presumably have a consistent reserved area as a grab handle.
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Please try the following: Press keyboard "Windows" + Direction key (Up, down, right, left). Isn't this cool?
Not if you want windows that aren't quasi-maximized. Alt+Space M Arrows works for versions of only if you're happy with movement so slow it's faster to take your hands off the keyboard, get a mouse out of the drawer, plug it in, wait for windows to load the driver, move the window with the mouse, unplug the mouse, put it back into the drawer, and put your hands back on the keyboard. It's only really useful for when monitor changes (eg docked to standalone laptop) leave a window location off screen because once you've arrowed it once the mouse will move it.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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So, Win10 has made the Title bar of every window extremely small -- they've collapsed it and added the toolbar (icons) directly to the nav bar. Now, I often have trouble even finding a place that will accept a "grab" when I need to drag and drop the window somewhere else. For example, in MS Word you can only grab the nav bar in the middle of the window. Shown here between the two "off limits" red boxes : https://i.stack.imgur.com/LspUm.png[^] Small Space To Grab Window That means if you need to grab your window from the left or the right side -- because other windows are obscuring it -- you cannot. Instead you have to make sure you can see the middle of the window and grab it there. Other Apps - Different Locations However, in other apps, the only place you can grab are small places at the edges. In FireFox for example, you can only grab the nav bar in the two small locations shown in this image: https://i.stack.imgur.com/zCjbT.png[^] No Consistency So, as windows overlap each other there is no consistent place to grab a window to move it. It's quite annoying and a waste of time.
Seconding the other keyboard user: Try Alt+Spacebar This should pop the system menu for the focused app I use M UpArrow cursor keys or mouse to relocate. M for Move UpArrow to grab the top of the window since I normally need to do this for some application that has pushed off of the top of the screen. I use one portrait mode monitor and one landscape mode monitor which makes it easy to (accidentally) position frames in weird locations.
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Please try the following: Press keyboard "Windows" + Direction key (Up, down, right, left). Isn't this cool?
Marc Greiner at home wrote:
Press keyboard "Windows" + Direction key (Up, down, right, left). Isn't this cool?
Yeah, I've been using that (well, alt + spacebar) since Win 3.1 when I would be installing Windows on computers we had sold that didn't have a mouse attached. Yes, we provided mice, but sometimes at the bench I was too lazy to get up and grab a mouse. :D Those were the days! :rolleyes: However, this is a bit different because to use that keyboard command you have to first set focus to the window. Well, yes, I guess you can Alt-Tab through and then use that, so that is a reasonable option. I don't really like the mouse anyways. It's a distraction from typing. :)
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Seconding the other keyboard user: Try Alt+Spacebar This should pop the system menu for the focused app I use M UpArrow cursor keys or mouse to relocate. M for Move UpArrow to grab the top of the window since I normally need to do this for some application that has pushed off of the top of the screen. I use one portrait mode monitor and one landscape mode monitor which makes it easy to (accidentally) position frames in weird locations.
I have used the keyboard move for a long time now. Unfortunately, this does not work on RDP (VM). Instead it grabs the RDP window and not the underlying window I'm attempting to grab. We use RDP VMs exclusively for dev here "to protect our physical PCs*". Yes, it's quite terrible. :rolleyes: *IT imposes rules. Mordac IT Preventer of Info Services, Lives! Dilbert Comic Strip on 2007-11-16 | Dilbert by Scott Adams[^] Dilbert Comic Strip on 1998-04-06 | Dilbert by Scott Adams[^] Dilbert Comic Strip on 2010-05-08 | Dilbert by Scott Adams[^]
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I have used the keyboard move for a long time now. Unfortunately, this does not work on RDP (VM). Instead it grabs the RDP window and not the underlying window I'm attempting to grab. We use RDP VMs exclusively for dev here "to protect our physical PCs*". Yes, it's quite terrible. :rolleyes: *IT imposes rules. Mordac IT Preventer of Info Services, Lives! Dilbert Comic Strip on 2007-11-16 | Dilbert by Scott Adams[^] Dilbert Comic Strip on 1998-04-06 | Dilbert by Scott Adams[^] Dilbert Comic Strip on 2010-05-08 | Dilbert by Scott Adams[^]
