SARS in the US
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Chris Maunder wrote: I was just wondering if readers outside Canada hear about the US cases. Are media being selective in reporting or am I just watching the wrong channels? In the UK we've heard lots about Toronto, but nothing about the US. Strange :~
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Megan Forbes wrote: In the UK we've heard lots about Toronto Canada is part of the UK - they just won't admit it, ungrateful colonials. US cases are mentioned here in the media, but the lack of fatalities here keeps it off the prime time news in other markets.
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We were just talking about SARS and how we don't hear anything about cases in the US, but lots about the 19 suspect and 12 probable in Toronto. I just found this. California: 49 suspect, 21 probable Washington: 27 suspect, 2 probable New York: 30 suspect, 9 probable and on it goes, with a total of 297 suspect and 66 probable cases in the US. I was just wondering if readers outside Canada hear about the US cases. Are media being selective in reporting or am I just watching the wrong channels? cheers, Chris Maunder
I've heard about the local cases on the local news and 20/20 ran a story about a man who was quaritened with it. No lack of reporting here. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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We were just talking about SARS and how we don't hear anything about cases in the US, but lots about the 19 suspect and 12 probable in Toronto. I just found this. California: 49 suspect, 21 probable Washington: 27 suspect, 2 probable New York: 30 suspect, 9 probable and on it goes, with a total of 297 suspect and 66 probable cases in the US. I was just wondering if readers outside Canada hear about the US cases. Are media being selective in reporting or am I just watching the wrong channels? cheers, Chris Maunder
That is very strange. You are the first to report any SARS case in the US that I have heard. Weren't we screaming blue murder the other week because China was not reporting the truth on it's SARS cases? Sure, that was on a grander scale but the US is not even listed when reports show the lists of SARS affected countries.
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That is very strange. You are the first to report any SARS case in the US that I have heard. Weren't we screaming blue murder the other week because China was not reporting the truth on it's SARS cases? Sure, that was on a grander scale but the US is not even listed when reports show the lists of SARS affected countries.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: Weren't we screaming blue murder the other week because China was not reporting the truth on it's SARS cases? Sure, that was on a grander scale but the US is not even listed when reports show the lists of SARS affected countries. Oh, good lord. If you look at the URL for the site in Chris' original post you will notice that it is "cdc.gov" - thats 'gov' as in US government. The US government is publically posting all SARS statistics for the country - and there is something naferious about that? Give me a break. How is that even remotely comparable to the situation in China? I've heard those same statistics guoted both on national and local news broadcasts. Sure, Toronto gets most of the attention - but for obvious reasons I should think.
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Paul Watson wrote: Weren't we screaming blue murder the other week because China was not reporting the truth on it's SARS cases? Sure, that was on a grander scale but the US is not even listed when reports show the lists of SARS affected countries. Oh, good lord. If you look at the URL for the site in Chris' original post you will notice that it is "cdc.gov" - thats 'gov' as in US government. The US government is publically posting all SARS statistics for the country - and there is something naferious about that? Give me a break. How is that even remotely comparable to the situation in China? I've heard those same statistics guoted both on national and local news broadcasts. Sure, Toronto gets most of the attention - but for obvious reasons I should think.
Good lord you yanks are getting worse than a defensive VB developer at a C++ conference. Calm down. I have not accused you of anything. I do however think that it is slightly fishy or hypocritical that US based media agencies are not mentioning a single thing about SARS cases in the US. South Africa had a SARS scare, it turned up on quite a few foreign news networks pretty damned quickly even though it was a false case. Same with every single other country that has had a SARS scare. It is immediately picked up and bandied about as more proof that SARS is here to conquer the world. Yet no mention of the cases in the US. Look all of this is just talk, I am not having sleepless nights over nor will I start. I don't think you are bad people for it, so relax. It just is strange that nobody outside of the US has heard of these US cases yet we have heard of every single other country that has even had a whiff of SARS.
Paul Watson
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Ed Gadziemski wrote: Don't you people understand yet? The US is not responsible for anything and never does anything wrong. It's always somebody else's fault. The US finger of blame only points outward. Errrr... What does this self depricating rant have to do with a lack of US SARS case reporting by Canadian media?? Mike Mullikin :beer:
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David Wulff
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He was taking the piss.
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He was taking the piss. Awww, David, you're going to destroy my reputation. I've been described as "crazy and dangerous" by one conservative member of CP and as unpatriotic by another. Now they're going to think I was just having fun.
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He was taking the piss.
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David Wulff wrote: He was taking the piss. I'm not so sure. :~ Ed has some pretty odd ideas sometimes. :suss: ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Good lord you yanks are getting worse than a defensive VB developer at a C++ conference. Calm down. I have not accused you of anything. I do however think that it is slightly fishy or hypocritical that US based media agencies are not mentioning a single thing about SARS cases in the US. South Africa had a SARS scare, it turned up on quite a few foreign news networks pretty damned quickly even though it was a false case. Same with every single other country that has had a SARS scare. It is immediately picked up and bandied about as more proof that SARS is here to conquer the world. Yet no mention of the cases in the US. Look all of this is just talk, I am not having sleepless nights over nor will I start. I don't think you are bad people for it, so relax. It just is strange that nobody outside of the US has heard of these US cases yet we have heard of every single other country that has even had a whiff of SARS.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: Good lord you yanks are getting worse than a defensive VB developer at a C++ conference. Calm down. We're not the ones subscribing to the conspiracy theories... ;P ;P ;P Seriously, the news I see and read reports the US SARS cases right along with all the others. If your sources don't I suggest you question them or find new ones. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Paul Watson wrote: Good lord you yanks are getting worse than a defensive VB developer at a C++ conference. Calm down. We're not the ones subscribing to the conspiracy theories... ;P ;P ;P Seriously, the news I see and read reports the US SARS cases right along with all the others. If your sources don't I suggest you question them or find new ones. Mike Mullikin :beer:
We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special.
Stephen HawkingMike Mullikin wrote: If your sources don't I suggest you question them or find new ones. The same sources that I blast for being too Americentric*? Not a bloody chance :-D * That is part of what I am saying. Normally if an American stubs their toe the rest of the world hears about it. Yet here we have US citizens coming down with SARS and all I hear about is Canadians and Japs
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Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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Good lord you yanks are getting worse than a defensive VB developer at a C++ conference. Calm down. I have not accused you of anything. I do however think that it is slightly fishy or hypocritical that US based media agencies are not mentioning a single thing about SARS cases in the US. South Africa had a SARS scare, it turned up on quite a few foreign news networks pretty damned quickly even though it was a false case. Same with every single other country that has had a SARS scare. It is immediately picked up and bandied about as more proof that SARS is here to conquer the world. Yet no mention of the cases in the US. Look all of this is just talk, I am not having sleepless nights over nor will I start. I don't think you are bad people for it, so relax. It just is strange that nobody outside of the US has heard of these US cases yet we have heard of every single other country that has even had a whiff of SARS.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: South Africa had a SARS scare, it turned up on quite a few foreign news networks pretty damned quickly even though it was a false case. I've heard no such reports from South Africa. But, again, the local news is very prompt to report any cases occuring here in Indiana. I fail to see how there is any kind of an attempt to cover up SARS related info from the US. Paul Watson wrote: . I do however think that it is slightly fishy or hypocritical that US based media agencies are not mentioning a single thing about SARS cases in the US. But there simply are no large concentrations of SARS cases anywhere in the US comparable to, for example, Toronto, or Hong Kong. Do you want state by state updates every day? If New York or Chicago or LA were being hit as hard, there would be plenty of coverage of it. No offense, but I don't think I the one who needs to chill out.
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That is very strange. You are the first to report any SARS case in the US that I have heard. Weren't we screaming blue murder the other week because China was not reporting the truth on it's SARS cases? Sure, that was on a grander scale but the US is not even listed when reports show the lists of SARS affected countries.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
I think you have to place the American media in perspective. They thrive like most bacteria on a rich growth media. So far there have been no deaths in the US from SARS, which is the reason that most of the coverage has been of Toronto and China's problems (along with several other Asian nations). At this point the thing that the US media is concentrating on is the Laci Peterson case. The American (and probably most other media outlets) tend to be able to focus on only one thing at a time, and the Peterson case is it for now. There was a considerable amount of coverage between the war and the start of the court proceedings in the Peterson case, but with no deaths and a fairly low percieved risk here in the States there isn't much coverage. If there were several (or even 1) SARS related death(s) here in the States that would change in a heartbeat. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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He was taking the piss. Awww, David, you're going to destroy my reputation. I've been described as "crazy and dangerous" by one conservative member of CP and as unpatriotic by another. Now they're going to think I was just having fun.
Ed Gadziemski wrote: I've been described as "crazy and dangerous" by one conservative member of CP Only one? You really should work harder on your image, Ed.:)
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Good lord you yanks are getting worse than a defensive VB developer at a C++ conference. Calm down. I have not accused you of anything. I do however think that it is slightly fishy or hypocritical that US based media agencies are not mentioning a single thing about SARS cases in the US. South Africa had a SARS scare, it turned up on quite a few foreign news networks pretty damned quickly even though it was a false case. Same with every single other country that has had a SARS scare. It is immediately picked up and bandied about as more proof that SARS is here to conquer the world. Yet no mention of the cases in the US. Look all of this is just talk, I am not having sleepless nights over nor will I start. I don't think you are bad people for it, so relax. It just is strange that nobody outside of the US has heard of these US cases yet we have heard of every single other country that has even had a whiff of SARS.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
I find it amusing that the impression throughout this thread is that the US SARS cases are somehow being supressed by the US because foreign sources don't mention them. Info from the CDC is a regular feature on our domestic broadcasts, and US cases are reported along with everyone else's. Most foreign news services are using the same CDC data, but choosing not to report the US cases. I wonder why that's the case, but it certainly isn't because we're holding anything back or telling anyone what they may broadcast.:laugh: I suspect that because there have been no fatalities here, the news isn't sensational enough to publish. Death sells so much better than stories of people getting adequate treatment and living.
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I find it amusing that the impression throughout this thread is that the US SARS cases are somehow being supressed by the US because foreign sources don't mention them. Info from the CDC is a regular feature on our domestic broadcasts, and US cases are reported along with everyone else's. Most foreign news services are using the same CDC data, but choosing not to report the US cases. I wonder why that's the case, but it certainly isn't because we're holding anything back or telling anyone what they may broadcast.:laugh: I suspect that because there have been no fatalities here, the news isn't sensational enough to publish. Death sells so much better than stories of people getting adequate treatment and living.
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee..."CNN international does not report the SARS cases. That is what I am talking about: US sources sending out to the globe do not mention US cases. I am not talking about some backwater banana republic news agency. I mean the same sources that we get sick of for being Americentric because they are American owned. Roger Wright wrote: I suspect that because there have been no fatalities here, the news isn't sensational enough to publish. Death sells so much better than stories of people getting adequate treatment and living. I suspect that is the case. However it is still strange that local US news mentions them but international US sources do not. Anyway. Enough on this matter. It is no big deal. We all realised the media is daft awhile back :)
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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CNN international does not report the SARS cases. That is what I am talking about: US sources sending out to the globe do not mention US cases. I am not talking about some backwater banana republic news agency. I mean the same sources that we get sick of for being Americentric because they are American owned. Roger Wright wrote: I suspect that because there have been no fatalities here, the news isn't sensational enough to publish. Death sells so much better than stories of people getting adequate treatment and living. I suspect that is the case. However it is still strange that local US news mentions them but international US sources do not. Anyway. Enough on this matter. It is no big deal. We all realised the media is daft awhile back :)
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: We all realised the media is daft awhile back More than daft, they're manipulative. And it's not anything new. In high school I had a class called Civics that was essentially freeform. The purpose was to introduce politically naive kids to the real world before they had to live in it, and we were required to participate in an election, study newspapers - things most kids don't do. One of my favorites was analyzing the paper. We selected the LA Times as a reference, then took stories from the front page and extracted the 'facts' from them on various issues of the day. We then hit the library (there was no Internet, of course) for books and other periodicals to research the data published by the Times. What we found was shocking - over 70% of the 'facts' in the paper were outright lies! Whether by omission, innuendo, selective or out-of-context quoting, or blatant false statements, in the final analysis this highly respected source was guilty of deliberately misinforming the public. Putting that in context, we were also discovering for the first time in our history that the government lies - it was the end of the Nixon administration, the ending of the Vietnam debacle, and all the other culture shocks Americans received in that time. It was the end of America's Golden Age. Is it any wonder that most of us turned out to be cynical, apathetic, pot-smoking assholes?
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CNN international does not report the SARS cases. That is what I am talking about: US sources sending out to the globe do not mention US cases. I am not talking about some backwater banana republic news agency. I mean the same sources that we get sick of for being Americentric because they are American owned. Roger Wright wrote: I suspect that because there have been no fatalities here, the news isn't sensational enough to publish. Death sells so much better than stories of people getting adequate treatment and living. I suspect that is the case. However it is still strange that local US news mentions them but international US sources do not. Anyway. Enough on this matter. It is no big deal. We all realised the media is daft awhile back :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Paul Watson wrote: CNN international does not report the SARS cases. Yeah, CNN is a "reliable" news source. Its like saying /. has a unbiased review of Windows on it. Matt Newman
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Don't you people understand yet? The US is not responsible for anything and never does anything wrong. It's always somebody else's fault. The US finger of blame only points outward. :)
Judging by the number of Americans here :~ , it's a wonder your post hasn't gone gray. Ever been called unpatriotic? Hey, in case you don't understand, I'm on your side. It takes a lot of courage to speak out against what your country is doing- be it USA, India, or anywhere else. Regards,
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Good lord you yanks are getting worse than a defensive VB developer at a C++ conference. Calm down. I have not accused you of anything. I do however think that it is slightly fishy or hypocritical that US based media agencies are not mentioning a single thing about SARS cases in the US. South Africa had a SARS scare, it turned up on quite a few foreign news networks pretty damned quickly even though it was a false case. Same with every single other country that has had a SARS scare. It is immediately picked up and bandied about as more proof that SARS is here to conquer the world. Yet no mention of the cases in the US. Look all of this is just talk, I am not having sleepless nights over nor will I start. I don't think you are bad people for it, so relax. It just is strange that nobody outside of the US has heard of these US cases yet we have heard of every single other country that has even had a whiff of SARS.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
Hope you don't mind, Paul ! It's too good to let pass by. If you don't like it, I'll change it. Regards,
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Hope you don't mind, Paul ! It's too good to let pass by. If you don't like it, I'll change it. Regards,
Vikram. ----------------------------- My site due for a massive update. "Good lord you yanks are getting worse than a defensive VB developer at a C++ conference." - Paul Watson in the Soapbox, 31 May 2003. "Do not give redundant error messages again and again." - A classmate of mine, while giving a class talk on error detection in compiler design.Vikram Punathambekar wrote: Hope you don't mind, Paul ! It's too good to let pass by. If you don't like it, I'll change it. LOL, no worries Vikram. I am rather chuffed you thought it was sig worthy :)
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