Anyone want to join me in the BSOD fight club?
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
Like several others have told already: I haven't seen a BSOD for ages. Then, I'm thinking back on a job switch I made a number of years ago: I left a job where the main development OS was Solaris (it is so long ago that Linux wasn't yet very widespread). I made my workstation crash all the time. Even more often, emacs locked up completely, and we usually used emacs in full screen mode, so the only alternative to rebooting was to go to a colleague and ask if he could do a remote login to my machine and kill the emacs process. My colleagues were slightly annoyed by all my crashes and hangs; I was the only one experiencing it. I gradually learned several different actions that would hang either Solaris or emacs, and showed it to the R&D gurus. They screamed up: But you can't do that! Every fool must know that that will cause a hang! ... This happened not with a single set of operation, but several different cases. I became known as the fellow who did silly things to make the machine hang - the blame was mine. People who know how to handle emacs and Solaris would never behave that way. If only I could learn the same behaviour, I would see that both emacs and Solaris are rock solid software that never causes problems. I no longer remember which "misbehaved" operations I did, only that they were old habits from a previous job, a different editor and OS where the operation were perfectly normal and valid. When I quit that Solaris/emacs job, I moved to another OS that I knew quite well, as a quite stable system. But not here! This was a timesharing machine, a supermini, with 15-20 simultaneous users. It crashed almost every day, and 15-20 people lost some of their work and had to wait until the system supervisor had restarted the machine. I soon discoverd that the supervisor was a Unix fanatic; he had done whatever he could to make this non-Unix system behave and look as if it was Unix, and he managed it according to Unix guidelines, not according to the vendor's guidelines. I stepped in as a "junior assistant", intended to be a small left hand activity, but I soon took over all operations, doing them the proper way (for that OS). Within two weeks, the machine was running smoothly. Three months later, someone was - from old habit - complaining about this terrible machine that crashed all the time, and I had to drag him over to the logs to show him: It has been continously up for three months now, not a single crash since I cleaned up the machine and maintenance procedures! At first he protest
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
Are you shure you have a legal copy of Windows? :-\
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
charlieg wrote:
Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system.
I have been using Windows for something approaching 30 years, and have had very few problems with it. Rather than "pathetic excuse", I would say it is an excellent operating system and can largely be used without problems by any non-technical person. However, should you start to mess with it (as I have done once or twice) do not be surprised if it crashes occasionally.
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
Install Debugging Tools for Windows and use WinDbg to open dump file after BSOD. Don't believe to any BSOD diagnosis site.
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Are you shure you have a legal copy of Windows? :-\
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
lol, yeah I'm sure. :)
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
Well off to WinDbg it is. I agree with the assessment of the other sites - huge amounts of adds and "we suggest you download easydriverfix.exe". As for Microsoft's sites, they are just a shadow of their past filled with ridiculous MS responses. As for Windows 10 itself - the most stable OS for me was Windows 7, and I still believe that Windows 10 was more marketing than anything else. I cite the asinine decision to forcibly reboot computers to update them. Even running W10 Pro, I still see the same issues that people have been fighting since Windows 8. At any given time, the ntoskrnl will be sucking up 10% of my cpu. Recovering from sleep mode is a guaranteed BSOD bomb waiting to detonate. And God help you if you get happy with USB devices. These are chronic issues that have existed in Windows for years, and yet the OS is still vulnerable to the whims of 3rd parties. Even now after all these years, the most likely way to reset your machine to a stable state is to re-install Windows. Don't even get me started on its security issues. Anyway off to WinDbg....
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Like several others have told already: I haven't seen a BSOD for ages. Then, I'm thinking back on a job switch I made a number of years ago: I left a job where the main development OS was Solaris (it is so long ago that Linux wasn't yet very widespread). I made my workstation crash all the time. Even more often, emacs locked up completely, and we usually used emacs in full screen mode, so the only alternative to rebooting was to go to a colleague and ask if he could do a remote login to my machine and kill the emacs process. My colleagues were slightly annoyed by all my crashes and hangs; I was the only one experiencing it. I gradually learned several different actions that would hang either Solaris or emacs, and showed it to the R&D gurus. They screamed up: But you can't do that! Every fool must know that that will cause a hang! ... This happened not with a single set of operation, but several different cases. I became known as the fellow who did silly things to make the machine hang - the blame was mine. People who know how to handle emacs and Solaris would never behave that way. If only I could learn the same behaviour, I would see that both emacs and Solaris are rock solid software that never causes problems. I no longer remember which "misbehaved" operations I did, only that they were old habits from a previous job, a different editor and OS where the operation were perfectly normal and valid. When I quit that Solaris/emacs job, I moved to another OS that I knew quite well, as a quite stable system. But not here! This was a timesharing machine, a supermini, with 15-20 simultaneous users. It crashed almost every day, and 15-20 people lost some of their work and had to wait until the system supervisor had restarted the machine. I soon discoverd that the supervisor was a Unix fanatic; he had done whatever he could to make this non-Unix system behave and look as if it was Unix, and he managed it according to Unix guidelines, not according to the vendor's guidelines. I stepped in as a "junior assistant", intended to be a small left hand activity, but I soon took over all operations, doing them the proper way (for that OS). Within two weeks, the machine was running smoothly. Three months later, someone was - from old habit - complaining about this terrible machine that crashed all the time, and I had to drag him over to the logs to show him: It has been continously up for three months now, not a single crash since I cleaned up the machine and maintenance procedures! At first he protest
I've used VMS, Ultrix, Solaris, SunOS, HPUX, and AIX and they have never crashed on me. "Windows the windows way" - huh, expand that a bit if you would not mind. I don't do Unix to my laptop, so....
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
I've only had one BSOD on Windows 10, and it was caused by, ... wait for it ..., a bad driver! It really was! Vendor site had an updated driver and haven't had a problem since.
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Funny you mention that, I haven't seen a BSOD in.. ho.. I can't remember... I wonder how people get them those days! :o Apart from Hardware fault, that is...
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was gonna say that. although i think my windows install is hosed (but only a little bit). thanks VS2017.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Funny you mention that, I haven't seen a BSOD in.. ho.. I can't remember... I wonder how people get them those days! :o Apart from Hardware fault, that is...
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Exactly. Unless dealing with faulty hardware or bad drivers, it's literally been years I've seen a BSOD that the OS could be blamed for. Dare I say, these days I don't see Windows outright crashing/freezing any more frequently than some Linux distributions...
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I've used VMS, Ultrix, Solaris, SunOS, HPUX, and AIX and they have never crashed on me. "Windows the windows way" - huh, expand that a bit if you would not mind. I don't do Unix to my laptop, so....
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Once upon a time, support.microsoft.com was a technical support site worth it's weight in gold (it really worked, just input the error message and you got the right answer 99% of the time). Then microsoft decided that everything had to be powered by Bing... So now it's completely dysfunctional, and aimed at users instead of tech support.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Once upon a time, support.microsoft.com was a technical support site worth it's weight in gold
What does a technical support site weight anyway?
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
charlieg wrote:
what are your preferred sites?
Amongst these you will easy your burden.[^]
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Once upon a time, support.microsoft.com was a technical support site worth it's weight in gold
What does a technical support site weight anyway?
Spot on. :thumbsup: :)
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Are you shure you have a legal copy of Windows? :-\
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
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I've ranted a bit before about Microsoft's pathetic excuse for an operating system. Window's only achievement is through marketing and "it's good enough." My customers do not and will not tolerate their machines crashing for inexplicable reasons... my assessment of Windows 10 on a good day is marginal, on an average day pathetic, and on a bad day - criminal. I'm being generous. For 25 years I've put up with "it must be a driver" bullchips, and as a professional by now MS should have fixed their exposure to this issue - practice safe drivers. Anyway, I rant and I want peace on earth and free healthcare for all.... Google "BSOD diagnosis" and you will get a pant load of sites that are nothing more than shills for "magic" s/w that does absolutely nothing. The next major category is anything beginning with "answers.microsoft... " I actually can hope that most of the posts are AI driven, but I'm not sure. So for those of you who get into the muck to solve or at least accurately identify Windows 10 system issues - what are your preferred sites? What sites eat raw bits and crap ammo when they are done? tomshardware can have some traction from time to time.... crap, I feel an article forming.
Charlie Gilley There is nothing "free" in life. If you believe this, you believe in theft.
I worked on a product that automated data centers. It ran under that flaky, unreliable, constantly crashing, BSOD producing OS called Windows. It ran for nearly 4 years without being powered off, shut down or rebooted even once. Then the machine was upgraded to a newer version of Windows and continued without issue until I left the company quite a bit later. :cool: We also had to deal with AS/400s, various Unix and Linux machines and they were, relatively speaking, constantly hanging up or giving problems. In fact, we used our software - running under Windows - to report when these other machines became unresponsive. ;P This was a few years ago but I still haven't seen a BSOD except just one about five years ago when some memory hardware failed. :zzz: Sorry, but I don't intend to join your hate-speech club! :~
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Well off to WinDbg it is. I agree with the assessment of the other sites - huge amounts of adds and "we suggest you download easydriverfix.exe". As for Microsoft's sites, they are just a shadow of their past filled with ridiculous MS responses. As for Windows 10 itself - the most stable OS for me was Windows 7, and I still believe that Windows 10 was more marketing than anything else. I cite the asinine decision to forcibly reboot computers to update them. Even running W10 Pro, I still see the same issues that people have been fighting since Windows 8. At any given time, the ntoskrnl will be sucking up 10% of my cpu. Recovering from sleep mode is a guaranteed BSOD bomb waiting to detonate. And God help you if you get happy with USB devices. These are chronic issues that have existed in Windows for years, and yet the OS is still vulnerable to the whims of 3rd parties. Even now after all these years, the most likely way to reset your machine to a stable state is to re-install Windows. Don't even get me started on its security issues. Anyway off to WinDbg....
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
Even now after all these years, the most likely way to reset your machine to a stable state is to re-install Windows
I would make the case that this is true for any OS, unless you're intimately familiar with its internals and know where to look for crap that doesn't uninstall itself cleanly. There's always one recurring theme I see whenever people bring me a system that's in such a bad state that there's no recovery option but to nuke/reinstall: Users have installed so much software of dubious origin over years and they can't identify a quarter of the items in the Add/Remove Programs list. The first thing to do given a brand new machine is to remove all the third-party bundleware. I've had fewer problems manually cleaning viruses off of people's machines.
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was gonna say that. although i think my windows install is hosed (but only a little bit). thanks VS2017.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
Time to go VS2019! ;P
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Time to go VS2019! ;P
A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!
I have that installed too but i've only ever opened it by accident My sticking point is whenever i install a prerelease from microsoft, eventually the updates start hosing my install, whereas if i wait for a release version, the updates tend to work better. i've had the problem with previous devstudio releases at least. and with windows.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.