Left or right or not?
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Forogar wrote:
are you going to join with with a group of like-minded people to push for that?
Sure. But that doesn't make a party. ;P
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Forogar wrote:
In Britain and Europe there's a lot of people in between, more central in their politics.
That certainly used to be the case, but in Britain I can't think of any current main 'centre' party. The Liberal Democrats and the Greens used to be thought of as 'centre' parties however we now find that the Liberal Democrats want to overturn the result of a referendum and a Green party MP wants only women to be in government(interestingly enough her list only included white women). I don't see those as particularly central ideas and consequently people like myself who score towards the centre in the Political Compass Test(Google it if you are interested) are now seen as politically on the right.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
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GuyThiebaut wrote:
Google it if you are interested
I was. But am no longer interested. It rated me as a left libertarian. Not accurate. Too many of their questions need to be answered with "it depends" so I wasn't able to answer them correctly.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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[Note: Less than a week left to discuss this.] There's the Left Wing; there's the Right Wing... that seems to be about it in the US. In Britain and Europe there's a lot of people in between, more central in their politics. We need to create a Demoblican Party for those of us who do not espouse extreme positions. We also need a better name for it; "Repucrat" just doesn't work either. Any suggestions? Who would join such a party?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Forogar wrote:
There's the Left Wing; there's the Right Wing... that seems to be about it in the US.
Unlike genders, there are more than 2 political ideologies. Even in the US.
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[Note: Less than a week left to discuss this.] There's the Left Wing; there's the Right Wing... that seems to be about it in the US. In Britain and Europe there's a lot of people in between, more central in their politics. We need to create a Demoblican Party for those of us who do not espouse extreme positions. We also need a better name for it; "Repucrat" just doesn't work either. Any suggestions? Who would join such a party?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
- As you are no doubt aware there are other political parties in the US. Libertarians and Greens come to mind. They are just quite small in comparison. 2) In the US there are more independents (not aligned with any party) than either Republicans or Democrats. As an independent, over the years I've voted for Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Greens and independents in various elections for various offices.
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[Note: Less than a week left to discuss this.] There's the Left Wing; there's the Right Wing... that seems to be about it in the US. In Britain and Europe there's a lot of people in between, more central in their politics. We need to create a Demoblican Party for those of us who do not espouse extreme positions. We also need a better name for it; "Repucrat" just doesn't work either. Any suggestions? Who would join such a party?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Forogar wrote:
We need to create a Demoblican Party for those of us who do not espouse extreme positions.
I don't see universal health care as extreme. Nor do I see regulating pollution or corporations as extreme. Treating our fellow human beings decently regardless of their skin color, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, or citizenship status is not extreme.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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[Note: Less than a week left to discuss this.] There's the Left Wing; there's the Right Wing... that seems to be about it in the US. In Britain and Europe there's a lot of people in between, more central in their politics. We need to create a Demoblican Party for those of us who do not espouse extreme positions. We also need a better name for it; "Repucrat" just doesn't work either. Any suggestions? Who would join such a party?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
The politically correct way to refer to such an entity is probably "party-fluid".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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Forogar wrote:
We need to create a Demoblican Party for those of us who do not espouse extreme positions.
I don't see universal health care as extreme. Nor do I see regulating pollution or corporations as extreme. Treating our fellow human beings decently regardless of their skin color, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, or citizenship status is not extreme.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
- Heathcare is too expensive (like college tuition is). 1) People that don't contribute to society in a meaningful way should be allowed to die. This includes (but is not limited to) people that go to college that major in Art, English Literature, Psychology, and Gender Studies.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
- Heathcare is too expensive (like college tuition is). 1) People that don't contribute to society in a meaningful way should be allowed to die. This includes (but is not limited to) people that go to college that major in Art, English Literature, Psychology, and Gender Studies.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013#realJSOP wrote:
Heathcare is too expensive
other countries with UHC have as good or better health outcomes at half the price.
#realJSOP wrote:
People that don't contribute to society in a meaningful way should be allowed to die.
That covers most CEOs. I have to admit I have a hard time arguing against that.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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#realJSOP wrote:
Heathcare is too expensive
other countries with UHC have as good or better health outcomes at half the price.
#realJSOP wrote:
People that don't contribute to society in a meaningful way should be allowed to die.
That covers most CEOs. I have to admit I have a hard time arguing against that.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
The US isn't "other countries". Since I don't visit "other countries", I can only state what I know as fact - unlike people from other countries that comment on how things are in the US. In the US, health care is too expensive. Universal health care won't change that fact. Pharmacueticals are also too expensive. Again, UHC won't change that fact. Lawyers and politicians come to mine with regards to my 2nd point.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
The US isn't "other countries". Since I don't visit "other countries", I can only state what I know as fact - unlike people from other countries that comment on how things are in the US. In the US, health care is too expensive. Universal health care won't change that fact. Pharmacueticals are also too expensive. Again, UHC won't change that fact. Lawyers and politicians come to mine with regards to my 2nd point.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013#realJSOP wrote:
The US isn't "other countries".
There is nothing unique about the US that forces healthcare costs to be high.
#realJSOP wrote:
Universal health care won't change that fact.
Yeah, it will. Medicare is very similar to UHC and costs are lower.
#realJSOP wrote:
Pharmacueticals are also too expensive.
Right now the government is forbidden by law from negotiating prices for drugs. That can easily change.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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#realJSOP wrote:
The US isn't "other countries".
There is nothing unique about the US that forces healthcare costs to be high.
#realJSOP wrote:
Universal health care won't change that fact.
Yeah, it will. Medicare is very similar to UHC and costs are lower.
#realJSOP wrote:
Pharmacueticals are also too expensive.
Right now the government is forbidden by law from negotiating prices for drugs. That can easily change.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
In the United States for health care costs to be lowered means the medical field, especially doctors and specialists need to take smaller paychecks. Medical supplies again is too expensive in the United States. As of right now, this second, UHC would never work. edit: let's not even discuss pharmaceuticals/Rx in the United States. way more expensive than in Europe, etc. especially with diabetes.
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[Note: Less than a week left to discuss this.] There's the Left Wing; there's the Right Wing... that seems to be about it in the US. In Britain and Europe there's a lot of people in between, more central in their politics. We need to create a Demoblican Party for those of us who do not espouse extreme positions. We also need a better name for it; "Repucrat" just doesn't work either. Any suggestions? Who would join such a party?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
So, let's skip all parties, and vote on everything important instead. Like in Switzerland.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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In the United States for health care costs to be lowered means the medical field, especially doctors and specialists need to take smaller paychecks. Medical supplies again is too expensive in the United States. As of right now, this second, UHC would never work. edit: let's not even discuss pharmaceuticals/Rx in the United States. way more expensive than in Europe, etc. especially with diabetes.
Slacker007 wrote:
As of right now, this second, UHC would never work.
It may not currently be viable because of the politics, but that's it. There is no single approach to UHC and the contours of UHC in the US are yet to be determined.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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[Note: Less than a week left to discuss this.] There's the Left Wing; there's the Right Wing... that seems to be about it in the US. In Britain and Europe there's a lot of people in between, more central in their politics. We need to create a Demoblican Party for those of us who do not espouse extreme positions. We also need a better name for it; "Repucrat" just doesn't work either. Any suggestions? Who would join such a party?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Forogar wrote:
us who do not espouse extreme positions
Conservatives. People who dont want much change, like things as they were, and dont like extremes. :)
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Slacker007 wrote:
As of right now, this second, UHC would never work.
It may not currently be viable because of the politics, but that's it. There is no single approach to UHC and the contours of UHC in the US are yet to be determined.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
Politics yes, but also the $$ that doctor's, specialists, and supplies cost. Lower those and you may have a fighting chance for UHC.
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- Heathcare is too expensive (like college tuition is). 1) People that don't contribute to society in a meaningful way should be allowed to die. This includes (but is not limited to) people that go to college that major in Art, English Literature, Psychology, and Gender Studies.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Quote:
Gender Studies.
This actually exists? Do they spend four years observing and deciding things like , "that woman looks female to me"? ...and then write up a 200-page thesis on it?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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In the United States for health care costs to be lowered means the medical field, especially doctors and specialists need to take smaller paychecks. Medical supplies again is too expensive in the United States. As of right now, this second, UHC would never work. edit: let's not even discuss pharmaceuticals/Rx in the United States. way more expensive than in Europe, etc. especially with diabetes.
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especially doctors and specialists need to take smaller paychecks.
A doctor friend of mine told me that 80% of his costs running a practice is insurance - mostly against dumb people who will sue him for not curing their common cold immediately (or whatever).
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Politics yes, but also the $$ that doctor's, specialists, and supplies cost. Lower those and you may have a fighting chance for UHC.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here other than 'if you want to lower costs, you will have to lower costs'.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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Forogar wrote:
us who do not espouse extreme positions
Conservatives. People who dont want much change, like things as they were, and dont like extremes. :)
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here other than 'if you want to lower costs, you will have to lower costs'.
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
Health care is so expensive in the United States and the number on reason why the Government can't pay for universal health care is because the doctors don't want to make it cheaper. Supply companies don't want to make it cheaper. $$$$$ The government can't afford it currently. UHC will NEVER happen in this country. Please try to keep up. :sigh:
