Code Project Project(s) Update [long but important]
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Idea submittal and voting have come to a slow crawl or stopped altogether so we'll just say its time to chose the final three projects. We could go just by the current voting result (see below), but I think its only fair that we re-evaluate what we would really like to do. Before doing so, I'd like to give you my opinion of what we should do and I know at least Paul and Marc will agree with me. I'm not going to endorse a particular project, but rather an ideal for our first stab at this. Its called... KISS (keep it simple stupid) Whatever project(s) we choose to do, it's/their scope needs to be somewhat limited (initially for release 1.0). Rome was not built in a day and CPPs are sure to fail if we try to do too much too soon. Heck, the infrastructure for large group projects isn't even in place yet. So we have a lot of thinking to do before we "dive right in." Here is how I propose we proceed: 1) Decide on 3 projects via voting (now until Tuesday) which gives us 24+ hours 2) Pick a project leader for each project (preferrably, the originator of the idea AND someone with experience writing articles and managing a herd of cattle ;)) 3) If you want to, we can pick a CPP coordinator who will look after these first 3 projects, but I doubt we'll need one. 4) Divide up into teams (I have an idea on how to do this but we'll discuss later). There may be lopsided teams. 5) Start an article for each project. NOT QUICKLY THOUGH! I'd like to see us decide on a standard layout and "features" in our project article. Its going to have to be different somehow than a standard article (I see tables :~ ). 6) Project leaders and team members will then need to define the scope and timeline for the project. A design document would be very nice. Anyone have a nice Design Doc template? 7) Here's where the fun begins. Start coding. Project leaders should be good delegators. 8) Try to stay within the scope and timeline, giving frequent updates and screen shots. If you have any different ideas, please discuss them by replying to this message. Below this message you will see a thread for PROJECT VOTING. Within that thread are 10 messages with the title of each project. Please give a vote for each message using the message voting system. The top 3 after Tuesday morning will be our beginning proje
Jason, I am sure you know what you are doing, but I found this and might help everyone http://www.construx.com/survivalguide/test.htm[^] I am going to use it for my HAI project, i think. Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Dream as if you'll live forever; live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean(ISTP) -
Jason, I am sure you know what you are doing, but I found this and might help everyone http://www.construx.com/survivalguide/test.htm[^] I am going to use it for my HAI project, i think. Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Dream as if you'll live forever; live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean(ISTP)That may be helpful. I'll look at it a little more closely over lunch.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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There are not enough people here interested in biology, sorry. We had one Gene Detection and one Medical visualization idea. To get a project going we need at least 10 very interested people. jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
Hmmm, why 10? :-)
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First of all, I hope I'm not doing the wrong thing by replying here. Second of all, here's my thoughts: Jason Henderson wrote: Idea submittal and voting have come to a slow crawl or stopped altogether so we'll just say its time to chose the final three projects. My thoughts exactly. Jason Henderson wrote: Universal Gui LibrarY (UGLY) Please, not UGLY! That's the opposite of what we want! How about SUIT - SmartUI Toolkit. Also, if we do a UI Library first, then it's easy to start out simple - do it one control at a time :) . We can stop any place along the way. Jason Henderson wrote: Divide up into teams (I have an idea on how to do this but we'll discuss later). I have an idea too... later. :) Jason Henderson wrote: Project leaders and team members will then need to define the scope and timeline for the project. A design document would be very nice. Anyone have a nice Design Doc template? I have some ideas and questions - where shall we discuss it? GOOD JOB, JASON!
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhijdunlap wrote: Please, not UGLY! That's the opposite of what we want! How about SUIT - SmartUI Toolkit. But that's the reason we like it...it's funny. :-D
Hawaian shirts and shorts work too in Summer. People assume you're either a complete nut (in which case not a worthy target) or so damn good you don't need to worry about camouflage... -Anna-Jayne Metcalfe on Paintballing
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Idea submittal and voting have come to a slow crawl or stopped altogether so we'll just say its time to chose the final three projects. We could go just by the current voting result (see below), but I think its only fair that we re-evaluate what we would really like to do. Before doing so, I'd like to give you my opinion of what we should do and I know at least Paul and Marc will agree with me. I'm not going to endorse a particular project, but rather an ideal for our first stab at this. Its called... KISS (keep it simple stupid) Whatever project(s) we choose to do, it's/their scope needs to be somewhat limited (initially for release 1.0). Rome was not built in a day and CPPs are sure to fail if we try to do too much too soon. Heck, the infrastructure for large group projects isn't even in place yet. So we have a lot of thinking to do before we "dive right in." Here is how I propose we proceed: 1) Decide on 3 projects via voting (now until Tuesday) which gives us 24+ hours 2) Pick a project leader for each project (preferrably, the originator of the idea AND someone with experience writing articles and managing a herd of cattle ;)) 3) If you want to, we can pick a CPP coordinator who will look after these first 3 projects, but I doubt we'll need one. 4) Divide up into teams (I have an idea on how to do this but we'll discuss later). There may be lopsided teams. 5) Start an article for each project. NOT QUICKLY THOUGH! I'd like to see us decide on a standard layout and "features" in our project article. Its going to have to be different somehow than a standard article (I see tables :~ ). 6) Project leaders and team members will then need to define the scope and timeline for the project. A design document would be very nice. Anyone have a nice Design Doc template? 7) Here's where the fun begins. Start coding. Project leaders should be good delegators. 8) Try to stay within the scope and timeline, giving frequent updates and screen shots. If you have any different ideas, please discuss them by replying to this message. Below this message you will see a thread for PROJECT VOTING. Within that thread are 10 messages with the title of each project. Please give a vote for each message using the message voting system. The top 3 after Tuesday morning will be our beginning proje
Jason Henderson wrote: Idea submittal and voting have come to a slow crawl People just arn't finding these new threads, after all it took me a while and I'm quite keen. Maybe we should get some kind of email update going... Or a cover article on the CP front page.**
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Paul Watson wrote: I would think defect/bug/issue tracking falls under something like PMS. I'm sure the women-folk would agree! Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files":-D My boss actually wrote his own Project Management System and named it PMS...some of the women around the office saw it and got a little upset. :)
Hawaian shirts and shorts work too in Summer. People assume you're either a complete nut (in which case not a worthy target) or so damn good you don't need to worry about camouflage... -Anna-Jayne Metcalfe on Paintballing
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jdunlap wrote: Please, not UGLY! That's the opposite of what we want! How about SUIT - SmartUI Toolkit. But that's the reason we like it...it's funny. :-D
Hawaian shirts and shorts work too in Summer. People assume you're either a complete nut (in which case not a worthy target) or so damn good you don't need to worry about camouflage... -Anna-Jayne Metcalfe on Paintballing
UGLY is just the opposite of what we want - we want something that looks nice. Would you buy a toolkit that's called "UGLY"??? I think we should have a vote on this one.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
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Idea submittal and voting have come to a slow crawl or stopped altogether so we'll just say its time to chose the final three projects. We could go just by the current voting result (see below), but I think its only fair that we re-evaluate what we would really like to do. Before doing so, I'd like to give you my opinion of what we should do and I know at least Paul and Marc will agree with me. I'm not going to endorse a particular project, but rather an ideal for our first stab at this. Its called... KISS (keep it simple stupid) Whatever project(s) we choose to do, it's/their scope needs to be somewhat limited (initially for release 1.0). Rome was not built in a day and CPPs are sure to fail if we try to do too much too soon. Heck, the infrastructure for large group projects isn't even in place yet. So we have a lot of thinking to do before we "dive right in." Here is how I propose we proceed: 1) Decide on 3 projects via voting (now until Tuesday) which gives us 24+ hours 2) Pick a project leader for each project (preferrably, the originator of the idea AND someone with experience writing articles and managing a herd of cattle ;)) 3) If you want to, we can pick a CPP coordinator who will look after these first 3 projects, but I doubt we'll need one. 4) Divide up into teams (I have an idea on how to do this but we'll discuss later). There may be lopsided teams. 5) Start an article for each project. NOT QUICKLY THOUGH! I'd like to see us decide on a standard layout and "features" in our project article. Its going to have to be different somehow than a standard article (I see tables :~ ). 6) Project leaders and team members will then need to define the scope and timeline for the project. A design document would be very nice. Anyone have a nice Design Doc template? 7) Here's where the fun begins. Start coding. Project leaders should be good delegators. 8) Try to stay within the scope and timeline, giving frequent updates and screen shots. If you have any different ideas, please discuss them by replying to this message. Below this message you will see a thread for PROJECT VOTING. Within that thread are 10 messages with the title of each project. Please give a vote for each message using the message voting system. The top 3 after Tuesday morning will be our beginning proje
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UGLY is just the opposite of what we want - we want something that looks nice. Would you buy a toolkit that's called "UGLY"??? I think we should have a vote on this one.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhijdunlap wrote: buy a toolkit that's called "UGLY"??? Ummm....I thought this was going to be a CP thing...and thus free. :~ Besides, we're all coders...we all have a sense of humor. If we see a GUI toolkit that's called UGLY, we're gonna take a look at it just to see what it's like anyway.
Hawaian shirts and shorts work too in Summer. People assume you're either a complete nut (in which case not a worthy target) or so damn good you don't need to worry about camouflage... -Anna-Jayne Metcalfe on Paintballing
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Joel Holdsworth wrote: I prefer SUIT myself THANK YOU!!! I hope David Stone doesn't convince people not to have a vote.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
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:-D My boss actually wrote his own Project Management System and named it PMS...some of the women around the office saw it and got a little upset. :)
Hawaian shirts and shorts work too in Summer. People assume you're either a complete nut (in which case not a worthy target) or so damn good you don't need to worry about camouflage... -Anna-Jayne Metcalfe on Paintballing
:laugh: David Stone wrote: some of the women around the office saw it and got a little upset. Everyone is so touchy nowadays. I wish the acronym PC could have remained "Personal Computer". But no, I now I have tell people that I'm an ego-challenged, politically disenfranchised, monetarily weakened, non-available single citizen of the earth involved in a heterosexual relationship. X| Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
Hmmm, why 10? :-)
I was afraid you would ask that. :) First of all, I like it when things happen. You think about something and post a message and get fast feedback. If we are ten people, there is always somebody online that you can talk to. If you have a project with 5 people and one drops out in the middle of the project it is a catastrophe. Etc.. But stay tuned here at CP, post some messages and soon we will be enough people to start something. jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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jdunlap wrote: buy a toolkit that's called "UGLY"??? Ummm....I thought this was going to be a CP thing...and thus free. :~ Besides, we're all coders...we all have a sense of humor. If we see a GUI toolkit that's called UGLY, we're gonna take a look at it just to see what it's like anyway.
Hawaian shirts and shorts work too in Summer. People assume you're either a complete nut (in which case not a worthy target) or so damn good you don't need to worry about camouflage... -Anna-Jayne Metcalfe on Paintballing
UGLY is fine with me.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Jason Henderson wrote: Idea submittal and voting have come to a slow crawl People just arn't finding these new threads, after all it took me a while and I'm quite keen. Maybe we should get some kind of email update going... Or a cover article on the CP front page.**
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That's why I want to keep things in this forum and not spread throughout the site. We're still in preliminary stages, but once the projects are determined, things should pick up and hopefully we can devise a system of better communication. Your complaint is duely noted.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Jason Henderson wrote: Idea submittal and voting have come to a slow crawl People just arn't finding these new threads, after all it took me a while and I'm quite keen. Maybe we should get some kind of email update going... Or a cover article on the CP front page.**
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Or just write up that CP Community Tools project... ;P John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words -
First of all, I hope I'm not doing the wrong thing by replying here. Second of all, here's my thoughts: Jason Henderson wrote: Idea submittal and voting have come to a slow crawl or stopped altogether so we'll just say its time to chose the final three projects. My thoughts exactly. Jason Henderson wrote: Universal Gui LibrarY (UGLY) Please, not UGLY! That's the opposite of what we want! How about SUIT - SmartUI Toolkit. Also, if we do a UI Library first, then it's easy to start out simple - do it one control at a time :) . We can stop any place along the way. Jason Henderson wrote: Divide up into teams (I have an idea on how to do this but we'll discuss later). I have an idea too... later. :) Jason Henderson wrote: Project leaders and team members will then need to define the scope and timeline for the project. A design document would be very nice. Anyone have a nice Design Doc template? I have some ideas and questions - where shall we discuss it? GOOD JOB, JASON!
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiAnd definitely not a Smart Hip Integrated Toolkit. --
"The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its rule by preying upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is concentrated in a few hands and the Republic destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln
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Paul Watson wrote: A few questions, but first; Great job so far Jason, you have cracked that whip and kept what to me looks like a bowl full of buttered kittens in line. Thank you. Its a lot like herding cats (for more info, see a super bowl commercial from a couple years back). Paul Watson wrote: What is the official name that the projects will be published under? Good question. Got any ideas? Paul Watson wrote: Are we working on a logo of some sorts? (the kind that can be put in an About box) If we publish under a single group entity, we need a logo. We need a cool one! Paul Watson wrote: I vote you as overall high commander of the... I mean CPP Coordinator. I think it is something we will need as people splinter off and try to start more than three projects I really can't do anything about people starting other projects outside of our 3. I do think that they will fail completely if they don't follow the methods we come up with here. How do you manage 50 developers around the world??? :~ Paul Watson wrote: Oh and finally; How the heck does Source Versioning (CVS, VSS etc.) and Defect Tracking work together? I would think defect/bug/issue tracking falls under something like PMS. Heck if I know. :) We'll let the teams decide how their respective projects work.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: If we publish under a single group entity, we need a logo. We need a cool one! What about something like Bob? Maybe a friend of Bob's could be the logo. Bobby Lee? --
"The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its rule by preying upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is concentrated in a few hands and the Republic destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln
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Jason Henderson wrote: Idea submittal and voting have come to a slow crawl People just arn't finding these new threads, after all it took me a while and I'm quite keen. Maybe we should get some kind of email update going... Or a cover article on the CP front page.**
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Joel Holdsworth wrote: People just arn't finding these new threads It is getting difficult to find the new threads. Once we get past this stage the ideal would be to have a "CPP" section on the left of the home page. So perphaps under "Community" a link to CPP. The category of the article would be CPP. --
"The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its rule by preying upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is concentrated in a few hands and the Republic destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln
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Jason, I am sure you know what you are doing, but I found this and might help everyone http://www.construx.com/survivalguide/test.htm[^] I am going to use it for my HAI project, i think. Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Dream as if you'll live forever; live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean(ISTP)Perhaps we could use some of this. Project leaders could evaluate their project with it (some of it).
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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A few questions, but first; Great job so far Jason, you have cracked that whip and kept what to me looks like a bowl full of buttered kittens in line.
- What is the official name that the projects will be published under?
- Are we working on a logo of some sorts? (the kind that can be put in an About box)
- I vote you as overall high commander of the... I mean CPP Coordinator. I think it is something we will need as people splinter off and try to start more than three projects
Jason Henderson wrote: 3.8 Defect Tracking/Source Versioning (16) Oh and finally; How the heck does Source Versioning (CVS, VSS etc.) and Defect Tracking work together? I would think defect/bug/issue tracking falls under something like PMS.
Paul Watson
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Paul Watson wrote: I vote you as overall high commander of the... I mean CPP Coordinator I am fond of the title "high commander" as well. :) Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton