Soapbox (edit)
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I agree there should be a place to say things that are not appropriate for the lounge, but I found the soapbox recently was just a place to go argue with somebody else about political views. Anything not related to politics was quickly swept onto page 423 and never seen by most people, so kind of makes it pointless when it's like that. The only people it was useful for is people that want to argue for the sake of arguing. If those people actually gave a crap about what they were arguing about then they would actually go do something about it, rather than just voicing their opinions on a site that is dedicated to programming. Perhaps the soapbox could come back but with an initial rule that politics is not suitable conversation. At least until people can learn to mix up their conversational topics a bit.
musefan wrote:
Perhaps the soapbox could come back but with an initial rule that politics is not suitable conversation.
Good idea. Maybe we could even rename it too...."The Global Warming Forum" maybe?
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No one is infringing your freedom of speech. However, if you want to make a speech - rent a hall. This one has been rented by Chris.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
This one has been rented by Chris.
The problem is that we all already have a hall where we can go to say our Hail Marys (or similar) in exactly the one and only correct way.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Speech control is mind control. That's why I think we need the soapbox, even if I hardly ever felt the need to make use of it.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
If you want an argument, join Twitter or just about any Facebook group you can think of.
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musefan wrote:
Perhaps the soapbox could come back but with an initial rule that politics is not suitable conversation.
Good idea. Maybe we could even rename it too...."The Global Warming Forum" maybe?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
"The Global Warming Forum" maybe?
:laugh: But fair point, I suppose politics wasn't the only re-occurring theme. I guess my main concern is that it's just tiring seeing the same people arguing about the same things every time I went on there. If you want to argue, go on Facebook, find a post related to a subject you are "interested" in, and join the other 10k people all arguing in the comments because they have nothing better to do.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
This one has been rented by Chris.
The problem is that we all already have a hall where we can go to say our Hail Marys (or similar) in exactly the one and only correct way.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Speech control is mind control. That's why I think we need the soapbox, even if I hardly ever felt the need to make use of it.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
CodeWraith wrote:
Speech control is mind control.
You seen the posting-rules for the lounge? That's action-control, because one can't give an anonymous public unlimited freedom. Each time your parents told you not to curse, they were excercising mind-control (called good parenting in that case).
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I agree there should be a place to say things that are not appropriate for the lounge, but I found the soapbox recently was just a place to go argue with somebody else about political views. Anything not related to politics was quickly swept onto page 423 and never seen by most people, so kind of makes it pointless when it's like that. The only people it was useful for is people that want to argue for the sake of arguing. If those people actually gave a crap about what they were arguing about then they would actually go do something about it, rather than just voicing their opinions on a site that is dedicated to programming. Perhaps the soapbox could come back but with an initial rule that politics is not suitable conversation. At least until people can learn to mix up their conversational topics a bit.
musefan wrote:
initial rule that politics is not suitable conversatio
A place with less rules, but with some more rules? Politics may not interest you and those discussions tend to lead nowhere, but at least they are contained in a place where you can easily ignore them. Simply taking away the place for these things and proclaiming how strictly you want to enforce the rules from now on simply leads to having these things all over the place in sometimes funny or more often strange ways to wiggle around those rules. Elephants and sunshines, anyone? And, last, this kind of situation draws one of the lowest forms of life to the scene: The lawyer. On both sides of the argument you will suddently have lots of people arguing over why or why not someone has broken the rules in each particular case. Is that what you want to have here?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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CodeWraith wrote:
Speech control is mind control.
You seen the posting-rules for the lounge? That's action-control, because one can't give an anonymous public unlimited freedom. Each time your parents told you not to curse, they were excercising mind-control (called good parenting in that case).
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Each time your parents told you not to curse, they were excercising mind-control (called good parenting in that case).
I have officially been declared to be uncontrollable by my mother and any other female that ever tried. More successful always were those who tried it with reasoning.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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musefan wrote:
initial rule that politics is not suitable conversatio
A place with less rules, but with some more rules? Politics may not interest you and those discussions tend to lead nowhere, but at least they are contained in a place where you can easily ignore them. Simply taking away the place for these things and proclaiming how strictly you want to enforce the rules from now on simply leads to having these things all over the place in sometimes funny or more often strange ways to wiggle around those rules. Elephants and sunshines, anyone? And, last, this kind of situation draws one of the lowest forms of life to the scene: The lawyer. On both sides of the argument you will suddently have lots of people arguing over why or why not someone has broken the rules in each particular case. Is that what you want to have here?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
CodeWraith wrote:
Is that what you want to have here?
No, I wan't to have the old soapbox, where people didn't spam it with arguments. I would prefer there didn't have to be extra rules in place, but if people are abusing it then what other option is there? Either leave it closed, or re-open with a different approach to what is acceptable. Which do you prefer?
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If you want an argument, join Twitter or just about any Facebook group you can think of.
As I said, I usually don't. However, I think that someone called me a hypocrite just this morning. I would like to answer him without too much constraint. Not to cause a drama, but I would be interested in an answer thats also clear and direct.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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CodeWraith wrote:
The problem is that we all already have a hall where we can go ...
How is that a problem?
"Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke! Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."
These guys have been in that business for thousands of years. They are a tough competition.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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CodeWraith wrote:
Is that what you want to have here?
No, I wan't to have the old soapbox, where people didn't spam it with arguments. I would prefer there didn't have to be extra rules in place, but if people are abusing it then what other option is there? Either leave it closed, or re-open with a different approach to what is acceptable. Which do you prefer?
It's not a nice comparison, but you need a toilet. That's where the smelly stuff goes, and not in every corner they feel like. It never was a bad idea to have several different toilets with so many people around.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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These guys have been in that business for thousands of years. They are a tough competition.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I agree there should be a place to say things that are not appropriate for the lounge, but I found the soapbox recently was just a place to go argue with somebody else about political views. Anything not related to politics was quickly swept onto page 423 and never seen by most people, so kind of makes it pointless when it's like that. The only people it was useful for is people that want to argue for the sake of arguing. If those people actually gave a crap about what they were arguing about then they would actually go do something about it, rather than just voicing their opinions on a site that is dedicated to programming. Perhaps the soapbox could come back but with an initial rule that politics is not suitable conversation. At least until people can learn to mix up their conversational topics a bit.
musefan wrote:
initial rule that politics is not suitable conversation.
Then why have the soapbox? 99.99999999% of the discussions there, were political. Gobal Warming is political, etc. EVERYTHING comes back to politics, even religion is political at its core.
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No one is infringing your freedom of speech. However, if you want to make a speech - rent a hall. This one has been rented by Chris.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
This one has been rented by Chris.
and most complainers don't get this, even after you explain it to them. Same people that need to see the lable "Caution: this cup of coffee is extremely hot!"
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A tough competition for which purpose?
"Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke! Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."
Ok. This joke failed. I just wanted to say that if I need higher approval and want to sing the traditional prayers in perfect unity with all others, I will go to a church and not to CP.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Did Chris act lawfully when he prorogued the soapbox? Edit : was actually hoping for a discussion on bojo - but obvs my attempt at circumventing the no politics in lounge was missed
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Did Chris act lawfully when he prorogued the soapbox?
He use admin "Ownership" power to remove the SoapBox. "Is that lawful or not" I'm not sure though.
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No one is infringing your freedom of speech. However, if you want to make a speech - rent a hall. This one has been rented by Chris.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
"rent a hall" This is B.S. He want to express his feeling through writing on a forum like a SoapBox,Tw*tter... As the world does these days.
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musefan wrote:
initial rule that politics is not suitable conversation.
Then why have the soapbox? 99.99999999% of the discussions there, were political. Gobal Warming is political, etc. EVERYTHING comes back to politics, even religion is political at its core.
But there is a difference between talking about a topic, and having pages of endless arguments about the same thing, where nobody is ever going to change their viewpoint to agree with the other person. It's just senseless. Personally I have no problem if people want to talk about politics, or global warming, or even if the earth is flat or not. Just try to keep it rational and avoid arguing just for the sake of it. It doesn't help that most OP's set up their opening message to incite arguments, rather than with the intention of actually caring about other people opinions, and more importantly accepting that they are allowed to be different. Perhaps CP could do with a design overall with regarding to how posts are displayed. Rather than having every single comment and sub-comment visible, just have the root post visible and then it doesn't matter if a topic has 1 reply or 1000 replies, people can easily skip over and ignore the crap that they don't care about and find the posts that do actually interest them. EDIT: Just seen I guess that is basically "thread view".
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Each time your parents told you not to curse, they were excercising mind-control (called good parenting in that case).
I have officially been declared to be uncontrollable by my mother and any other female that ever tried. More successful always were those who tried it with reasoning.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
CodeWraith wrote:
… any other female that ever tried. More successful always were those who tried it with reasoning.
Any women who tried that were aiming much too high :-\
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.