What's the use of a Recruiter if he decides on own!!
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Though not in need of a job change, I just sent some feelers in the online world. One Recruiter contacted me about an opportunity which was good but said It involves some coding demonstration , which was fine with me. So he wanted to know what I need to do a coding so he can arrange it in his office. I mentioned that would prefer Keyboard (English and not German), mouse and big monitor along with internet connection. He asked the purpose of Internet, and said need to Google the syntax or whatever. He replied saying googling for syntax or any reference is not acceptable for Engineer/Developers. Also Mentioned that the Company wont accept it as a legit test. I directly approach the company after figuring out and I got the coding package with requirements and instructions. Interesting part is that I am allowed to do from home and use any resources like books, internet, opensource code etc. Only thing they had mentioned is that If I am using Code/Module from external source , I should cite its source. The footer in the instruction has this quote :) "The standard library saves programmers from having to reinvent the wheel" - Bjarne Stroustrup
cheers,
Super
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Bjarne Stroustrup wrote:
"The standard library saves programmers from having to reinvent the wheel"
Yeah, true. Except when the "standard wheel" is wobbly and poorly constructed or is broken and/or inefficient.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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vi ? :rolleyes: memories!
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Bjarne Stroustrup wrote:
"The standard library saves programmers from having to reinvent the wheel"
Yeah, true. Except when the "standard wheel" is wobbly and poorly constructed or is broken and/or inefficient.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Yes, just ask Schlemiel the Painter. Back to Basics – Joel on Software[^]
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Yes, just ask Schlemiel the Painter. Back to Basics – Joel on Software[^]
Haha, yeah. :thumbsup:
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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back in the day...i used to give the candidate a paper (since it became a meme on the net)
Print every number between 1 and 100, However for numbers that are multiples of 3 print "Fizz" and for numbers that are multiples of five print "Buzz." For numbers that are multiples of both 3 and 5 print "FizzBuzz".
and later if anyone who actually got the job could understand the complicated shit like why objects needed version control and why the code was so fucked up... they would just walk out... else the management would think they are just staring at the screen all day doing nothing when they embark on a project and later fire them to save some money and scrap the project.. its like dilbert...
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
abmv wrote:
Print every number between 1 and 100, However for numbers that are multiples of 3 print "Fizz" and for numbers that are multiples of five print "Buzz." For numbers that are multiples of both 3 and 5 print "FizzBuzz".
I've written a version of that as a batch file.
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I'm glad I clickd on the link at home, They don't need to see me mosh at Work!!!
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Though not in need of a job change, I just sent some feelers in the online world. One Recruiter contacted me about an opportunity which was good but said It involves some coding demonstration , which was fine with me. So he wanted to know what I need to do a coding so he can arrange it in his office. I mentioned that would prefer Keyboard (English and not German), mouse and big monitor along with internet connection. He asked the purpose of Internet, and said need to Google the syntax or whatever. He replied saying googling for syntax or any reference is not acceptable for Engineer/Developers. Also Mentioned that the Company wont accept it as a legit test. I directly approach the company after figuring out and I got the coding package with requirements and instructions. Interesting part is that I am allowed to do from home and use any resources like books, internet, opensource code etc. Only thing they had mentioned is that If I am using Code/Module from external source , I should cite its source. The footer in the instruction has this quote :) "The standard library saves programmers from having to reinvent the wheel" - Bjarne Stroustrup
cheers,
Super
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True story: .1 Q. So do you have experience with programming languages like .Net framework 3.5 and C-hash.net? Me: What? [hangs up] .2 (HR of a company; not recruiter) Q. So you are making X. But maximum we can offer is y (where Y was X/2). Would you be still interested? And you will also need to relocate to this city. Me: No. [Hangs up]
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
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You too eh?
super wrote:
He replied saying googling for syntax or any reference is not acceptable for Engineer/Developers.
If he sees such as cheating, is using Intellisense in the IDE allowed, or should you turn that off too? :rolleyes:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If he sees such as cheating, is using Intellisense in the IDE allowed, or should you turn that off too?
Fantastic point!!! I'm putting that on my resume:
Resume:
"I don't use intellisense in any IDE because it is such a cheat. I've memorized the syntax and all methods for all libraries in the entire Windows API and all other known libraries (think JS here)"
:rolleyes:
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If he sees such as cheating, is using Intellisense in the IDE allowed, or should you turn that off too?
Fantastic point!!! I'm putting that on my resume:
Resume:
"I don't use intellisense in any IDE because it is such a cheat. I've memorized the syntax and all methods for all libraries in the entire Windows API and all other known libraries (think JS here)"
:rolleyes:
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You too eh?
super wrote:
He replied saying googling for syntax or any reference is not acceptable for Engineer/Developers.
If he sees such as cheating, is using Intellisense in the IDE allowed, or should you turn that off too? :rolleyes:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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You shouldn't be able to compile either. Just checkin, and then get a green light or red light from the CI/Tests that run after checkin. Seeing the compile error or failed test info is cheating. /sarcasm.
Some recruiter out there is prolly taking notes now, and thinking that this might just be a novel idea :D
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I know two really good recruiters who actually enjoy helping people (I knew three, but one quit). They connected on LinkedIn, regularly give me a call to ask me how I'm doing and what I'm doing (a bit of market research I guess). We always have a nice chat, they clearly read my LinkedIn page in some detail, and they never offer me a job if I'm not asking for it. So recently I started my own company and I told them I'd consider employment if the company was really good. One of those guys actually said that when he heard me talk it would be good to try my own company for a while. He still sent me an opportunity for the first time since I know him, which is years, because he actually thought the company was really nice for me. So I went over there to talk and it was a really nice company, but I still decided not to work there. The other one said he couldn't help me if I didn't want to go back to being employed, but a friend of his could help me with freelance jobs, so he introduced me. One of them has an event planned for next week which I'll be visiting. I've talked to the other one about talking at one of his events myself. If I ever need employees I'd go to them. The keyword here, which most recruiters seem to lack, is simply personal interest and effort. In fact, if anyone in the Netherlands is looking for a new job I'd recommend one of these two guys (send me an email if you're interested, I can't openly advertise them on CP ;) ).
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
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Sander Rossel wrote:
In fact, if anyone in the Netherlands is looking for a new job
How about in Germany?
cheers,
Super
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Nein! I think they do mostly our big cities (Rotterdam, The Hague, Utrecht, probably Eindhoven as well, maybe Amsterdam).
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
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Though not in need of a job change, I just sent some feelers in the online world. One Recruiter contacted me about an opportunity which was good but said It involves some coding demonstration , which was fine with me. So he wanted to know what I need to do a coding so he can arrange it in his office. I mentioned that would prefer Keyboard (English and not German), mouse and big monitor along with internet connection. He asked the purpose of Internet, and said need to Google the syntax or whatever. He replied saying googling for syntax or any reference is not acceptable for Engineer/Developers. Also Mentioned that the Company wont accept it as a legit test. I directly approach the company after figuring out and I got the coding package with requirements and instructions. Interesting part is that I am allowed to do from home and use any resources like books, internet, opensource code etc. Only thing they had mentioned is that If I am using Code/Module from external source , I should cite its source. The footer in the instruction has this quote :) "The standard library saves programmers from having to reinvent the wheel" - Bjarne Stroustrup
cheers,
Super
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What's the use of a recruiter. It should stop right there.
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I think the problem is that recruiters are expected to filter candidates. If they let too many unqualified ones through the screening process, they catch flak for wasting the company's time. So they end up rejecting qualified ones, in which case nobody knows.
There is some truth to this. Companies handing recruiters boilerplate job descriptions and candidates who do everything they can to fill up 7 pages of buzzwords and listing every piece of tech they may have ever come across or had to read about in their past jobs. What could possibly go wrong?! I love the pre-screening rating questionaires.. "On a scale of 1 to 5 how familiar are you with...?" Pretty good chance I'm "familiar" with just about all of these technologies/concepts listed by nature of the industry. Have I actually used or know how to apply said technology or concept??? That's not what was asked. :-D
