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  • M Marc Clifton

    Well, I'll be! Thanks for posting that. Who ever thought that hiding the scrollbars was an "ease of access" improvement? Hiding something does not make it easier to access!

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    Thank you, appreciate it ... I think someone at MSFT was inspired and added this option recently to let us choose at least (but the choice is evident :-) ...)

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      Thank you! Aahhhhhh.....

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      This "ease of access" was bugging me (and everyone I guess) for some time :-) , but only recently I think this solution arrived, MSFT deserves good points for correcting this ...

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      • R RickZeeland

        We are impressed, thanks a lot :-\

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        peterkmx
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        Well, it's my good moment I guess :-) Many thanks,

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          Windows - settings - ease of access - automatically hide scrollbars in Windows - OFF !!! Finally, what a joy … :-)

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          Pretty sure this is one of those settings that get reset with every Windows update, 'cuz I've definitely used this before (months ago) and--now that you've posted about it--noticed that it was turned off again...

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            Thank you! Aahhhhhh.....

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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            I'm obviously missing something here - what's the big deal ?

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            • pkfoxP pkfox

              I'm obviously missing something here - what's the big deal ?

              "We can't stop here - this is bat country" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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              OriginalGriff
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              Microsoft decided that "knowing there was more if you scroll" wasn't important and auto hide the scrollbars in UWP apps by default until you hover the mouse over where they might be if there is any more to see. Stupid UI design, a retrograde step in usability.

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                Microsoft decided that "knowing there was more if you scroll" wasn't important and auto hide the scrollbars in UWP apps by default until you hover the mouse over where they might be if there is any more to see. Stupid UI design, a retrograde step in usability.

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                pkfox
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                Oh I see - WTF would you do that ?

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                  Oh I see - WTF would you do that ?

                  "We can't stop here - this is bat country" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                  OriginalGriff
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                  I have absolutely no idea. It probably seems "clean" and "fresh" to some prepubescent :elephant:wit that works in the "design department" at MS. Like many Win 8 / 10 changes, "usability" was not considered or tested. X|

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                    I have absolutely no idea. It probably seems "clean" and "fresh" to some prepubescent :elephant:wit that works in the "design department" at MS. Like many Win 8 / 10 changes, "usability" was not considered or tested. X|

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                    Harrison Pratt
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                    Someone from the "if white space is good, more white space is better" gang.

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                      Windows - settings - ease of access - automatically hide scrollbars in Windows - OFF !!! Finally, what a joy … :-)

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                      I understand minimalist design, but many people take this too far. Thank you for this setting.

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                        Windows - settings - ease of access - automatically hide scrollbars in Windows - OFF !!! Finally, what a joy … :-)

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                        jackbrownii
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                        Oh, thank-you!

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                        • O obermd

                          I understand minimalist design, but many people take this too far. Thank you for this setting.

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                          peterkmx
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                          You are welcome :-) , I appreciate your comment ...

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                          • J jackbrownii

                            Oh, thank-you!

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                            You are welcome… thanks for commenting :-)

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                              Windows - settings - ease of access - automatically hide scrollbars in Windows - OFF !!! Finally, what a joy … :-)

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                              Thank you! :)

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                                Windows - settings - ease of access - automatically hide scrollbars in Windows - OFF !!! Finally, what a joy … :-)

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                                PSU Steve
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                                Why do I not have this setting under Settings > Easy of Access? Any ideas?

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                                  Why do I not have this setting under Settings > Easy of Access? Any ideas?

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                                  Perhaps Windows version difference or update history can explain this. FYI, the Windows version on my system is Win 10 x64 Pro, and the latest "Feature update to Windows 10, version 1903" was installed on 7th of August, 2019. There were also several other updates in the last 3 months … With everything up to date there should be no difference I guess. … And, while typing, I asked Google about this issue, and I got a better clue ... [windows 10 - Can't find "Automatically hide scroll bars" option - Super User](https://superuser.com/questions/1428044/cant-find-automatically-hide-scroll-bars-option)

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                                    Thank you! :)

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                                    Thanks, I appreciate your comment ...

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                                      Pretty sure this is one of those settings that get reset with every Windows update, 'cuz I've definitely used this before (months ago) and--now that you've posted about it--noticed that it was turned off again...

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                                      Perhaps it leads a kind of "quantum life" … :-) - once we see it, once we don't, but in the last 2-3 months it annoyed me a lot, as it harms productivity, and only now I could solve the puzzle …

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                                        Perhaps Windows version difference or update history can explain this. FYI, the Windows version on my system is Win 10 x64 Pro, and the latest "Feature update to Windows 10, version 1903" was installed on 7th of August, 2019. There were also several other updates in the last 3 months … With everything up to date there should be no difference I guess. … And, while typing, I asked Google about this issue, and I got a better clue ... [windows 10 - Can't find "Automatically hide scroll bars" option - Super User](https://superuser.com/questions/1428044/cant-find-automatically-hide-scroll-bars-option)

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                                        PSU Steve
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                                        Thanks. This is a government "standard image" for Win 10. Mine says Windows 10 Enterprise, Version 1709. OS Build 16299.1391. I am sure you are right that it's a version feature mismatch. ugh.

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                                          Windows - settings - ease of access - automatically hide scrollbars in Windows - OFF !!! Finally, what a joy … :-)

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                                          Lost User
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                                          They're redundant when you have a touch screen and can "swipe" to scroll content. In that case, a small "position marker" (the "collapsed" scrollbar) shows your position on the "page". The mouse wheel will also scroll the content. In any case, hovering will then show the scroll bar. Not so stupid after all, IMO, unless it's the "default setting" that one has a problem with.

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