Lazy programmers ... I hate 'em.
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The thermostat light on the cooker failed yesterday - the food was fine, but you can't tell when the oven is ready - so I dismantled the cooker today to check the part I needed. Then I found that on the manufacturers' site (they have quite a few, and there are three on just this one cooker, so I needed the right one) and ordered it. Or at least, I tried to - the "add to basket" button did nothing at all. Eventually, I switch from Chrome to Edge to order, and it works fine. So I try to let them know - and apart from a toll-rate phone number, there is no way to contact them ... Given that Edge is switching to the Chromium engine pretty soon, I have though at least some testing with the world's most popular browser would have been an idea, but obviously not ... their loss when nobody can order stuff, I guess. Lazy, lazy, lazy ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Blame the cookery company that hired out a coder. Normals don't respect this discipline or it's trends and standards enough to care. They delight in not needing to pay the coder asap. Used to be, mechanical enginners made mechanical timers and the stuffed shirts actually understood and respected them as what they made could be held in the hand and marveled at. Now everything is made of that software stuff by people the normals have learned to be envious of and hold them in contempt.
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The thermostat light on the cooker failed yesterday - the food was fine, but you can't tell when the oven is ready - so I dismantled the cooker today to check the part I needed. Then I found that on the manufacturers' site (they have quite a few, and there are three on just this one cooker, so I needed the right one) and ordered it. Or at least, I tried to - the "add to basket" button did nothing at all. Eventually, I switch from Chrome to Edge to order, and it works fine. So I try to let them know - and apart from a toll-rate phone number, there is no way to contact them ... Given that Edge is switching to the Chromium engine pretty soon, I have though at least some testing with the world's most popular browser would have been an idea, but obviously not ... their loss when nobody can order stuff, I guess. Lazy, lazy, lazy ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Blame the cookery company that hired out a coder. Normals don't respect this discipline or it's trends and standards enough to care. They delight in not needing to pay the coder asap. Used to be, mechanical enginners made mechanical timers and the stuffed shirts actually understood and respected them as what they made could be held in the hand and marveled at. Now everything is made of that software stuff by people the normals have learned to be envious of and hold them in contempt.
Would these guys not be the perfect subjects to teach the rest a little more respect? With just a little wizardry all of them could be headed south of the Rio Grande under a new name like Alonzo Gonzales within a few days. Now I know why they want that wall at the border at all cost!
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Speaking of lazy developers, there are so many sites that are simply unusable if you happen to have browser debugging enabled. :(
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
Why do you want to debug your browser?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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You actually wait for the oven to heat up? You have way too much free time. Oven on, food in, add 5 mins to cooking time, job done.
Depends on the temp you need to reach: 230C on mine takes a while longer than 180C - and on what you are trying to cook. Sometimes you want a slow build up of heat so that it's as uniform as possible throughout the food, but sometimes you want an initial high temp sear on the outside and then reduce the temperature for the main cook (this is particularly useful for some pastry dishes).
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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The thermostat light on the cooker failed yesterday - the food was fine, but you can't tell when the oven is ready - so I dismantled the cooker today to check the part I needed. Then I found that on the manufacturers' site (they have quite a few, and there are three on just this one cooker, so I needed the right one) and ordered it. Or at least, I tried to - the "add to basket" button did nothing at all. Eventually, I switch from Chrome to Edge to order, and it works fine. So I try to let them know - and apart from a toll-rate phone number, there is no way to contact them ... Given that Edge is switching to the Chromium engine pretty soon, I have though at least some testing with the world's most popular browser would have been an idea, but obviously not ... their loss when nobody can order stuff, I guess. Lazy, lazy, lazy ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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The thermostat light on the cooker failed yesterday - the food was fine, but you can't tell when the oven is ready - so I dismantled the cooker today to check the part I needed. Then I found that on the manufacturers' site (they have quite a few, and there are three on just this one cooker, so I needed the right one) and ordered it. Or at least, I tried to - the "add to basket" button did nothing at all. Eventually, I switch from Chrome to Edge to order, and it works fine. So I try to let them know - and apart from a toll-rate phone number, there is no way to contact them ... Given that Edge is switching to the Chromium engine pretty soon, I have though at least some testing with the world's most popular browser would have been an idea, but obviously not ... their loss when nobody can order stuff, I guess. Lazy, lazy, lazy ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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The thermostat light on the cooker failed yesterday
Your wife has a thermostat light
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The thermostat light on the cooker failed yesterday
Your wife has a thermostat light
I wish. Herself has three recipes, two of which she stole from me and reduced to make them easier for her to cook. The best food she cooks is stuff I vacuum sealed and stuck in the freezer ... :sigh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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The thermostat light on the cooker failed yesterday - the food was fine, but you can't tell when the oven is ready - so I dismantled the cooker today to check the part I needed. Then I found that on the manufacturers' site (they have quite a few, and there are three on just this one cooker, so I needed the right one) and ordered it. Or at least, I tried to - the "add to basket" button did nothing at all. Eventually, I switch from Chrome to Edge to order, and it works fine. So I try to let them know - and apart from a toll-rate phone number, there is no way to contact them ... Given that Edge is switching to the Chromium engine pretty soon, I have though at least some testing with the world's most popular browser would have been an idea, but obviously not ... their loss when nobody can order stuff, I guess. Lazy, lazy, lazy ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
In their defense, the web, at least until everybody switched to Chromium, is a nightmare of a platform. There's standards all right, but they're stupidly hard to read at times and there's no reference implementation against which to check.
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In their defense, the web, at least until everybody switched to Chromium, is a nightmare of a platform. There's standards all right, but they're stupidly hard to read at times and there's no reference implementation against which to check.
Yes, it's complicated - but especially for a shop site, selling direct to the public, you should check against the big four: Chrome, Safari, FireFox, and IE, possibly with Edge tacked on the end. If you ignore the first two and they don't work, that's a huge chunk of your potential buyers who go somewhere else because they can't find a way to buy from you! Remember: nearly all Android devices use Chrome by default. All iPhone / iPads use Safari by default. And that's the bulk of the computing equipment the public shops online with ... Not testing others because "It works with Edge" is just stupid and lazy.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Yes, it's complicated - but especially for a shop site, selling direct to the public, you should check against the big four: Chrome, Safari, FireFox, and IE, possibly with Edge tacked on the end. If you ignore the first two and they don't work, that's a huge chunk of your potential buyers who go somewhere else because they can't find a way to buy from you! Remember: nearly all Android devices use Chrome by default. All iPhone / iPads use Safari by default. And that's the bulk of the computing equipment the public shops online with ... Not testing others because "It works with Edge" is just stupid and lazy.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
My "in their defense" doesn't mean "leave them alone, it's their moral right to do what they do". It's more of an "it's a sort of understandable mistake" opposed to "guys screwed up big time and it's unforgivable".
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The thermostat light on the cooker failed yesterday - the food was fine, but you can't tell when the oven is ready - so I dismantled the cooker today to check the part I needed. Then I found that on the manufacturers' site (they have quite a few, and there are three on just this one cooker, so I needed the right one) and ordered it. Or at least, I tried to - the "add to basket" button did nothing at all. Eventually, I switch from Chrome to Edge to order, and it works fine. So I try to let them know - and apart from a toll-rate phone number, there is no way to contact them ... Given that Edge is switching to the Chromium engine pretty soon, I have though at least some testing with the world's most popular browser would have been an idea, but obviously not ... their loss when nobody can order stuff, I guess. Lazy, lazy, lazy ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Raising head to be shot. :^) Dont hate on without first knowing the constraints they had. Blame the company all you want for being lazy but not the workers unless you have a tad more data points to say they had enough resource to be developing for more then IE. If site was built in last 2 years, yes. Sites for cookers, which yours sounds like, could be template site from 10+ years ago.
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The thermostat light on the cooker failed yesterday - the food was fine, but you can't tell when the oven is ready - so I dismantled the cooker today to check the part I needed. Then I found that on the manufacturers' site (they have quite a few, and there are three on just this one cooker, so I needed the right one) and ordered it. Or at least, I tried to - the "add to basket" button did nothing at all. Eventually, I switch from Chrome to Edge to order, and it works fine. So I try to let them know - and apart from a toll-rate phone number, there is no way to contact them ... Given that Edge is switching to the Chromium engine pretty soon, I have though at least some testing with the world's most popular browser would have been an idea, but obviously not ... their loss when nobody can order stuff, I guess. Lazy, lazy, lazy ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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The thermostat light on the cooker failed yesterday - the food was fine, but you can't tell when the oven is ready - so I dismantled the cooker today to check the part I needed. Then I found that on the manufacturers' site (they have quite a few, and there are three on just this one cooker, so I needed the right one) and ordered it. Or at least, I tried to - the "add to basket" button did nothing at all. Eventually, I switch from Chrome to Edge to order, and it works fine. So I try to let them know - and apart from a toll-rate phone number, there is no way to contact them ... Given that Edge is switching to the Chromium engine pretty soon, I have though at least some testing with the world's most popular browser would have been an idea, but obviously not ... their loss when nobody can order stuff, I guess. Lazy, lazy, lazy ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
We are living in the age of software architecture-by-middle-level-managers: "Use this (software) tool, it's hot; be done by Friday (or else)." This is where all our technical debt came from. Just look at HTML with its simplistic ...... semantic structure, if you can even call an office-memo-style a structure. HTML was just one instance of the SGML standard which was able to produce an infinite number of HTMLs. Yet, that is what we got. So poor has HTML been at describing computer-tractable structure that the abominable JavaScript was created just to get something to work by "Friday". So, are programmers lazy? If you include being forced into hastily written code by higher-ups as lazy, then yes. Whichever is the case, their software output is indeed eating the world.
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We are living in the age of software architecture-by-middle-level-managers: "Use this (software) tool, it's hot; be done by Friday (or else)." This is where all our technical debt came from. Just look at HTML with its simplistic ...... semantic structure, if you can even call an office-memo-style a structure. HTML was just one instance of the SGML standard which was able to produce an infinite number of HTMLs. Yet, that is what we got. So poor has HTML been at describing computer-tractable structure that the abominable JavaScript was created just to get something to work by "Friday". So, are programmers lazy? If you include being forced into hastily written code by higher-ups as lazy, then yes. Whichever is the case, their software output is indeed eating the world.
I fixed your empty link - be careful with those:
looks a lot like "hidden link spam" and can get you kicked off the site erroneously.
Is fine (when the link goes to somewhere useful as in your case.)
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I fixed your empty link - be careful with those:
looks a lot like "hidden link spam" and can get you kicked off the site erroneously.
Is fine (when the link goes to somewhere useful as in your case.)
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Your editing ruined the point of my reply.
Sorry - but there are trigger-happy members here, who would assume malicious intent and start the kicking process if I left it.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Sorry - but there are trigger-happy members here, who would assume malicious intent and start the kicking process if I left it.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
One day, false positive security actions will be considered malfeasance along side hacking.
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The thermostat light on the cooker failed yesterday - the food was fine, but you can't tell when the oven is ready - so I dismantled the cooker today to check the part I needed. Then I found that on the manufacturers' site (they have quite a few, and there are three on just this one cooker, so I needed the right one) and ordered it. Or at least, I tried to - the "add to basket" button did nothing at all. Eventually, I switch from Chrome to Edge to order, and it works fine. So I try to let them know - and apart from a toll-rate phone number, there is no way to contact them ... Given that Edge is switching to the Chromium engine pretty soon, I have though at least some testing with the world's most popular browser would have been an idea, but obviously not ... their loss when nobody can order stuff, I guess. Lazy, lazy, lazy ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
My list of web sites that FireFox cannot handle is growing steadily. Sometimes, the entire page won't display. Sometimes, most of it works, but links to external resources (such as videos or discussion fora) are not handled. Some hooks that used to work with FireFox (e.g. for picking up the URLs of videos I view in FF), but a year or two ago, they changed something that forces me to switch to another browser. I try to avoid anything that has the "Google" stamp on it (in particular if there is any sort of login) - they are just too clever at invading my privacy. So my backup browser currently is IE11. FireFox does handle a few things well, though: E.g. I like the history mechanism. So for now, I still stick to FF as my first try, and go to IE11 only when FF fails. That happens more and more frequently. Every new FF release seems to add more websites to my "Doesn't work with FF" list. I do not have the spare time to get involved in FF development. Whatever is claimed: Reporting "problem websites" to the developers so that they can look into it never has any effect. I used to do that earlier, both for commercial and open source project: It never lead to anything. Usually, when I check two years later if anything has changed, the problem is still as strong and lively as ever. So there are strong hints that I quite soon will have to find myself another default browser. It won't be Chrome. An alternative that is both Google and MS is not quite among my favorites. So maybe I will switch to IE11 as my default, not only when having problems, and then go to FF for those pages that doesn't work with IE11.
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Speaking of lazy developers, there are so many sites that are simply unusable if you happen to have browser debugging enabled. :(
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
There are many sites that are simply unusable no matter what your browser or what is enabled... :-D
Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
