CP2 Project Leaders
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Hmmm. A couple thoughts-- I'd rather have the team establishment phase occur next, because I'd like to be able to interact with the team members on writing the draft project abstract. Otherwise, I'll just point everyone to the AAL, since I have no idea what anyone wants to do (and I know there are ideas out there!). Plus, if I can limit the interaction with the people interested in this project, it would make my life easier. A personal symmantic issue, but "project design/definition" is never complete, even after everyone has taken the taxi home. I may be totally off base here, and tell me if I am, but in a loosely knit organization like this, I think the design/definition needs to remain as flexible as possible during the development. And besides, I certainly can't think of enough design/definition stuff up front, and if I do, it'll probably be wrong anyways. So flexibility is the key (gee, I sound like an Agile programmer). One last comment, which might be looking at the leaves instead of the tree, not to mention the forest. Some people (like me!) have some pretty wierd ideas, so somewhere in this process there needs to be prototype development/evaluation to test out some of these whacky ideas. Just a thought, but it goes along the same lines as needing a flexible design/definition. BTW, this also represents my style of self-management/leadership, which would reflect in how I would manage a team. So if anyone doesn't like what I've said here, vote me down or bail on my project or suggest some alternatives. :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"I suggest you be flexible whenever an area is first discussed, and then edge us into whatever seems like the best idea in that area. Marc Clifton wrote: , I'll just point everyone to the AAL, since I have no idea what anyone wants to do (and I know there are ideas out there!). I have plenty of ideas myself, but I'm certainly open to discussion, just like you are. Marc Clifton wrote: Some people (like me!) have some pretty wierd ideas, so somewhere in this process there needs to be prototype development/evaluation to test out some of these whacky ideas. Just a thought, but it goes along the same lines as needing a flexible design/definition. Wacky ideas can sometimes be the seeds of wonderful things, but, yes, testing & open discussion is what refines the stubble out of the gold. Marc Clifton wrote: A personal symmantic issue, but "project design/definition" is never complete, even after everyone has taken the taxi home. I may be totally off base here, and tell me if I am, but in a loosely knit organization like this, I think the design/definition needs to remain as flexible as possible during the development. And besides, I certainly can't think of enough design/definition stuff up front, and if I do, it'll probably be wrong anyways. So flexibility is the key (gee, I sound like an Agile programmer). For one thing, stick to the standard MS coding guidelines. Also, if something is not going to cause chaos, it can be flexible, but if it will cause chaos, a standard must be agreed upon. For instance, variable name conventions are important, but it's not such a big deal whether people use C-style or C++ -style braces.
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CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... I don't think so... The reason I think too many messages posted in span of 3 or 4 days. It makes difficult to read those many messages and sometimes CP hiccups. People like me who spend 1 hour or 2 hours a day on CP, it's very difficult to read all the messages and reply back to them. My suggestions: 1. What we need is a CP Wiki board exclusive for Collaboration board? (with no advertisements and Expanded view) or 2. Daily Digest of all the messages posted in the Collaboration board mailed to participating members?_
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What I'm most interested in for a UI library is the unusual controls/components. :)
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhijdunlap wrote: What I'm most interested in for a UI library is the unusual controls/components. I've been looking for some innovation in this area for quite a while now. Sadly, I can't think of any good ideas myself! I wonder if I'll still be alive when true 3D displays are created. I think 90% of the problem is that there's only so much you can do in 2D. And personally, I don't buy into skins. It's like when my girlfriend gets a haircut. For a short while, it's like sleeping with a different woman. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
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Jason Henderson wrote: We may have to skip this democracy crap and I'll pick the leaders myself. LOL. I agree. One of the lessons I've learned on project management, is that democracy doesn't work with small groups (I don't believe it works on large groups too, but this is highly OT). Decisions I take on project management are like this: "The project leaders are X, Y and Z. If someone doesn't agree (specially X, Y and Z), please drop me an e-mail till tomorrow." So, in the absence of interest, things get done. And noone cares to write, so you do not even need to wait till tomorrow :) Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
Daniel Turini wrote: Decisions I take on project management are like this: "The project leaders are X, Y and Z. If someone doesn't agree (specially X, Y and Z), please drop me an e-mail till tomorrow." So, in the absence of interest, things get done. And noone cares to write, so you do not even need to wait till tomorrow :laugh::laugh: I LIKE THAT!!! :-D :rose: Gather ideas through informal discussion :rose: Choose the idea you think is best :rose: Announce that that idea is the way things will be done, but allow people to do email you to object :rose: get the job done! If people really have an serious objection, they will email you; otherwise, they won't. That's how it should be. :)
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jdunlap wrote: What I'm most interested in for a UI library is the unusual controls/components. I've been looking for some innovation in this area for quite a while now. Sadly, I can't think of any good ideas myself! I wonder if I'll still be alive when true 3D displays are created. I think 90% of the problem is that there's only so much you can do in 2D. And personally, I don't buy into skins. It's like when my girlfriend gets a haircut. For a short while, it's like sleeping with a different woman. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files":) scrollable viewport monthview ruler commandbar treelistview (DONE) listbar (outlook-style) (DONE) toolbox listbar (DONE) clock (DONE) dial range picker (been done, but not to my satisfaction) skinnable popup - for balloons, etc. data navbar (been done, but not to my satisfaction) collapsible panel (DONE) color picker bar - functionality is like scrollbar color palette color picker gradient - round, square, etc auto-complete textbox (DONE?) image-calendar time-scheduler (DONE?) topiclist imagelistview appbar wizard ctl advanced message box analog meter control (been done, but not to my satisfaction) peak-meter number ticker (like odometer) (DONE?) colorcombo
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
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Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Well, I lost almost all my interest on it, and I hope that my critics below will be interpreted as suggestions for improvement, although I only point what I consider errors, not provide solutions. 1. The winning projects were: a. Yet another UI library. Even taking in account its cool name (I love it, BTW), how much interest will this raise? b. Yet another bug tracking tool. Do we need one? c. Yet another Application Framework. As much as I like the great Marc’s articles about AAL, I doubt there will be lots of people interested on working on this project, because I believe that only experience programmers appreciate the real beauty of AA. Most programmers will stay with the “big guys” frameworks. 400,000 people and all we got was this?? Come on, people, I know that we are much better than this! 2. This is all going too fast. About a week or two ago, no one have ever heard of CP2. Now, luckily, 1% or 2% of all CPians have heard of it. The symptoms: only 30 or so people bothered to vote on the winning project. A mouse click. How many people will want to put hard work on it? Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
To be honest, i don't expect most of these first projects to be terribly adventurous, or to run strong all that long (though hopefully they will run long enough to produce some useful stuff). They will, however, pave the way for more exciting projects later on... :) I'm eagerly awaiting the completion of all this housekeeping work, so the team(s) can get down to some serious discussions and design work. For my part, i'd love to see a UI library (or app framework) build on something already available, such as WTL or VCF - filling in the cracks, so to speak, and fleshing them out. The advantage of a library, after all, is that it reduces or eliminates the integration cost otherwise associated with working someone else's code into your app. Rather than spending time trying to decide which of the grid/menu/tooltip classes out there you should use, you go with the one that's already been tested and integrated with the rest of your GUI. Not too extreme, no, but something that wouldn't hurt either, given the number of free controls, etc. on CP.
Shog9
So much he don't understand, Just might never make it to a man...
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To be honest, i don't expect most of these first projects to be terribly adventurous, or to run strong all that long (though hopefully they will run long enough to produce some useful stuff). They will, however, pave the way for more exciting projects later on... :) I'm eagerly awaiting the completion of all this housekeeping work, so the team(s) can get down to some serious discussions and design work. For my part, i'd love to see a UI library (or app framework) build on something already available, such as WTL or VCF - filling in the cracks, so to speak, and fleshing them out. The advantage of a library, after all, is that it reduces or eliminates the integration cost otherwise associated with working someone else's code into your app. Rather than spending time trying to decide which of the grid/menu/tooltip classes out there you should use, you go with the one that's already been tested and integrated with the rest of your GUI. Not too extreme, no, but something that wouldn't hurt either, given the number of free controls, etc. on CP.
Shog9
So much he don't understand, Just might never make it to a man...
Every time I download a control from here, there is always some surprise and it can take alot of time to figure out what's wrong. The first thing being that they don't compile. For us people doing other things than programming it is a pain in the ass. Why not do a library that is free, tested and can be used by every idiot(don't look at me.. they are out there :)) jhaga
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Every time I download a control from here, there is always some surprise and it can take alot of time to figure out what's wrong. The first thing being that they don't compile. For us people doing other things than programming it is a pain in the ass. Why not do a library that is free, tested and can be used by every idiot(don't look at me.. they are out there :)) jhaga
Anonymous wrote: Every time I download a control from here, there is always some surprise and it can take alot of time to figure out what's wrong. The first thing being that they don't compile. For us people doing other things than programming it is a pain. Why not do a library that is free, tested and can be used by every idiot(don't look at me.. they are out there) Exactly!
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi -
CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Oh hey I was nominated. To be honest though I think Anders should be the guy (his idea.) If PMS, the ASP.NET Web Control Library or the Code Snippet projects get voted sometime then I will happily lead if nominated for them. I want to only lead something I am really interested in, otherwise I will be a bad leader for not having much passion for the idea. I am willing to work on the Defect Tracker project though as it is definitley a part of the PMS idea as far as I think. Can't wait for work to begin guys, it should be an experience to remember whatever the outcome :)
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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Anonymous wrote: Every time I download a control from here, there is always some surprise and it can take alot of time to figure out what's wrong. The first thing being that they don't compile. For us people doing other things than programming it is a pain. Why not do a library that is free, tested and can be used by every idiot(don't look at me.. they are out there) Exactly!
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiWhy did you edit "pain in the ass"? We are not in the Lounge :) jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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Jason Henderson wrote: We may have to skip this democracy crap and I'll pick the leaders myself. LOL. I agree. One of the lessons I've learned on project management, is that democracy doesn't work with small groups (I don't believe it works on large groups too, but this is highly OT). Decisions I take on project management are like this: "The project leaders are X, Y and Z. If someone doesn't agree (specially X, Y and Z), please drop me an e-mail till tomorrow." So, in the absence of interest, things get done. And noone cares to write, so you do not even need to wait till tomorrow :) Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
Its a little late to be undemocratic now so we'll use what we've got and eventually I think other, more relevent projects will surface.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Why did you edit "pain in the ass"? We are not in the Lounge :) jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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Jason Henderson wrote: True, but I think you would attract more members with a draft abstract of the project. I was thinking you could ask for ideas here and submit your drafts here also. Once your abstract (not too specific) is ready, we can start up an article series and take membership requests through the messaging system. OK, that's reasonable. I'm still concerned about people putting in ideas that don't actually intend on participating in the project. A double-edged sword. But let's see how it goes. Jason Henderson wrote: Catch my drift? Ah yes. It is definitely important to have a defined "concentrated" design phase, as you put it. That makes things clearer. Jason Henderson wrote: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? Hmmm. That might be a bit more than I'm willing to bite off. I think that would be a good thing to delegate to someone else. Jason Henderson wrote: wife is 5 mos. pregnant Congrats to both of you! You're first child? (somewhere in the back of my mind I think you told me once, I just don't remember!) Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: OK, that's reasonable. I'm still concerned about people putting in ideas that don't actually intend on participating in the project. A double-edged sword. But let's see how it goes. Ignore them. Marc Clifton wrote: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? Hmmm. That might be a bit more than I'm willing to bite off. I think that would be a good thing to delegate to someone else. I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator, but if you want someone else to do it that's fine. Marc Clifton wrote: Congrats to both of you! You're first child? Thanks! Second. We have a 2 year old boy.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... I don't think so... The reason I think too many messages posted in span of 3 or 4 days. It makes difficult to read those many messages and sometimes CP hiccups. People like me who spend 1 hour or 2 hours a day on CP, it's very difficult to read all the messages and reply back to them. My suggestions: 1. What we need is a CP Wiki board exclusive for Collaboration board? (with no advertisements and Expanded view) or 2. Daily Digest of all the messages posted in the Collaboration board mailed to participating members?_
Never take a problem to your boss unless you have a solution._
This signature was created by "Code Project Quoter".But we also need a message board where we can talk about the projects and joke around(you know those bad jokes that Paul usually tells :)) jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system. Congrats Anders!
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Why do you think it's such a big deal that I did so? ;)
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiJust stay off my ass! :) Hehe, I guess I have been talking to John and his language is catching on. jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system. Congrats Anders!
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system. Congrats Anders!
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Wow, I just leave CP for a couple of hours, and get beck to about 40 new messages about CPP :cool: Jason Henderson wrote: Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system Thanks :) The original idea was a Defect Tracking and a Source Versionering tool (Like Source Safe or CVS), and make them work together.... What has happened with that? Are we still going to make both parts? - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system. Congrats Anders!
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Like Marc, I would also like the teams to be established before we make the design documents for the project. I think it would be a good idea if there is a couple of persons working on those. Anyone interested in helping me with all the writing? I mean, English is not my native language, and I'm not the best writer in the world... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Like Marc, I would also like the teams to be established before we make the design documents for the project. I think it would be a good idea if there is a couple of persons working on those. Anyone interested in helping me with all the writing? I mean, English is not my native language, and I'm not the best writer in the world... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"