CP2 Project Leaders
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Every time I download a control from here, there is always some surprise and it can take alot of time to figure out what's wrong. The first thing being that they don't compile. For us people doing other things than programming it is a pain in the ass. Why not do a library that is free, tested and can be used by every idiot(don't look at me.. they are out there :)) jhaga
Anonymous wrote: Every time I download a control from here, there is always some surprise and it can take alot of time to figure out what's wrong. The first thing being that they don't compile. For us people doing other things than programming it is a pain. Why not do a library that is free, tested and can be used by every idiot(don't look at me.. they are out there) Exactly!
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi -
CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Oh hey I was nominated. To be honest though I think Anders should be the guy (his idea.) If PMS, the ASP.NET Web Control Library or the Code Snippet projects get voted sometime then I will happily lead if nominated for them. I want to only lead something I am really interested in, otherwise I will be a bad leader for not having much passion for the idea. I am willing to work on the Defect Tracker project though as it is definitley a part of the PMS idea as far as I think. Can't wait for work to begin guys, it should be an experience to remember whatever the outcome :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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Anonymous wrote: Every time I download a control from here, there is always some surprise and it can take alot of time to figure out what's wrong. The first thing being that they don't compile. For us people doing other things than programming it is a pain. Why not do a library that is free, tested and can be used by every idiot(don't look at me.. they are out there) Exactly!
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiWhy did you edit "pain in the ass"? We are not in the Lounge :) jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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Jason Henderson wrote: We may have to skip this democracy crap and I'll pick the leaders myself. LOL. I agree. One of the lessons I've learned on project management, is that democracy doesn't work with small groups (I don't believe it works on large groups too, but this is highly OT). Decisions I take on project management are like this: "The project leaders are X, Y and Z. If someone doesn't agree (specially X, Y and Z), please drop me an e-mail till tomorrow." So, in the absence of interest, things get done. And noone cares to write, so you do not even need to wait till tomorrow :) Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
Its a little late to be undemocratic now so we'll use what we've got and eventually I think other, more relevent projects will surface.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Why did you edit "pain in the ass"? We are not in the Lounge :) jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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Jason Henderson wrote: True, but I think you would attract more members with a draft abstract of the project. I was thinking you could ask for ideas here and submit your drafts here also. Once your abstract (not too specific) is ready, we can start up an article series and take membership requests through the messaging system. OK, that's reasonable. I'm still concerned about people putting in ideas that don't actually intend on participating in the project. A double-edged sword. But let's see how it goes. Jason Henderson wrote: Catch my drift? Ah yes. It is definitely important to have a defined "concentrated" design phase, as you put it. That makes things clearer. Jason Henderson wrote: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? Hmmm. That might be a bit more than I'm willing to bite off. I think that would be a good thing to delegate to someone else. Jason Henderson wrote: wife is 5 mos. pregnant Congrats to both of you! You're first child? (somewhere in the back of my mind I think you told me once, I just don't remember!) Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: OK, that's reasonable. I'm still concerned about people putting in ideas that don't actually intend on participating in the project. A double-edged sword. But let's see how it goes. Ignore them. Marc Clifton wrote: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? Hmmm. That might be a bit more than I'm willing to bite off. I think that would be a good thing to delegate to someone else. I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator, but if you want someone else to do it that's fine. Marc Clifton wrote: Congrats to both of you! You're first child? Thanks! Second. We have a 2 year old boy.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... I don't think so... The reason I think too many messages posted in span of 3 or 4 days. It makes difficult to read those many messages and sometimes CP hiccups. People like me who spend 1 hour or 2 hours a day on CP, it's very difficult to read all the messages and reply back to them. My suggestions: 1. What we need is a CP Wiki board exclusive for Collaboration board? (with no advertisements and Expanded view) or 2. Daily Digest of all the messages posted in the Collaboration board mailed to participating members?_
Never take a problem to your boss unless you have a solution._
This signature was created by "Code Project Quoter".But we also need a message board where we can talk about the projects and joke around(you know those bad jokes that Paul usually tells :)) jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system. Congrats Anders!
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Why do you think it's such a big deal that I did so? ;)
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiJust stay off my ass! :) Hehe, I guess I have been talking to John and his language is catching on. jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system. Congrats Anders!
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system. Congrats Anders!
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Wow, I just leave CP for a couple of hours, and get beck to about 40 new messages about CPP :cool: Jason Henderson wrote: Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system Thanks :) The original idea was a Defect Tracking and a Source Versionering tool (Like Source Safe or CVS), and make them work together.... What has happened with that? Are we still going to make both parts? - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system. Congrats Anders!
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Like Marc, I would also like the teams to be established before we make the design documents for the project. I think it would be a good idea if there is a couple of persons working on those. Anyone interested in helping me with all the writing? I mean, English is not my native language, and I'm not the best writer in the world... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Like Marc, I would also like the teams to be established before we make the design documents for the project. I think it would be a good idea if there is a couple of persons working on those. Anyone interested in helping me with all the writing? I mean, English is not my native language, and I'm not the best writer in the world... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Marc Clifton wrote: Um. Where? (Your sigline followed right after the colon). I hit submit too soon. :-O Marc Clifton wrote: Possibly because people just don't know other people well enough, or don't really care who's the project leader, or something else. We may have to skip this democracy crap ;) and I'll pick the leaders myself. :~ In any case, I know you and Anders are somewhat enthusiastic, and since you aren't challenged I can start indoctrinating expressing to you the method to my madness.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: I know you and Anders are somewhat enthusiastic, and since you aren't challenged I can start indoctrinating expressing to you the method to my madness. Mmmmm, Marc beat me to it, I'm starting to feel assimilated ;P - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Congrats! Anders, I have confidence that you'll do a good job. :-D :)
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiThanks :) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Marc Clifton wrote: OK, that's reasonable. I'm still concerned about people putting in ideas that don't actually intend on participating in the project. A double-edged sword. But let's see how it goes. Ignore them. Marc Clifton wrote: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? Hmmm. That might be a bit more than I'm willing to bite off. I think that would be a good thing to delegate to someone else. I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator, but if you want someone else to do it that's fine. Marc Clifton wrote: Congrats to both of you! You're first child? Thanks! Second. We have a 2 year old boy.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator Down ego, Down! No, of course I don't mind you being the coordinator. Sorry for the misread there! :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
Like Marc, I would also like the teams to be established before we make the design documents for the project. I think it would be a good idea if there is a couple of persons working on those. Anyone interested in helping me with all the writing? I mean, English is not my native language, and I'm not the best writer in the world... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
Sorry for the confusion, but I think that's how I have it outlined, or at least how I envisioned it. I'd like you to write up an abstract using a template file I'd like to send you, summarizing your own ideas of the project. Once that is finished, send it back to me for posting approval on this forum. (I know I'm the forum posting Nazi, but somebody has maintain control. :-O) You will then get suggestions for improvement, etc. but you're the leader and don't have to use any of them. After taking comments for a day or so, we'll start the project article series and begin building teams. After that, will be the design phase where you write up design docs.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Marc Clifton wrote: OK, that's reasonable. I'm still concerned about people putting in ideas that don't actually intend on participating in the project. A double-edged sword. But let's see how it goes. Ignore them. Marc Clifton wrote: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? Hmmm. That might be a bit more than I'm willing to bite off. I think that would be a good thing to delegate to someone else. I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator, but if you want someone else to do it that's fine. Marc Clifton wrote: Congrats to both of you! You're first child? Thanks! Second. We have a 2 year old boy.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator, but if you want someone else to do it that's fine IMHO you would be a good person for that - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Marc Clifton wrote: OK, that's reasonable. I'm still concerned about people putting in ideas that don't actually intend on participating in the project. A double-edged sword. But let's see how it goes. Ignore them. Marc Clifton wrote: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? Hmmm. That might be a bit more than I'm willing to bite off. I think that would be a good thing to delegate to someone else. I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator, but if you want someone else to do it that's fine. Marc Clifton wrote: Congrats to both of you! You're first child? Thanks! Second. We have a 2 year old boy.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator, but if you want someone else to do it that's fine. I think you'd do really well at it. :-D
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi -
Sorry for the confusion, but I think that's how I have it outlined, or at least how I envisioned it. I'd like you to write up an abstract using a template file I'd like to send you, summarizing your own ideas of the project. Once that is finished, send it back to me for posting approval on this forum. (I know I'm the forum posting Nazi, but somebody has maintain control. :-O) You will then get suggestions for improvement, etc. but you're the leader and don't have to use any of them. After taking comments for a day or so, we'll start the project article series and begin building teams. After that, will be the design phase where you write up design docs.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: Sorry for the confusion, but I think that's how I have it outlined, or at least how I envisioned it. Woops, I was too quick, posting before reading all the other posts :-O - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"