CP2 Project Leaders
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Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system. Congrats Anders!
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Like Marc, I would also like the teams to be established before we make the design documents for the project. I think it would be a good idea if there is a couple of persons working on those. Anyone interested in helping me with all the writing? I mean, English is not my native language, and I'm not the best writer in the world... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Like Marc, I would also like the teams to be established before we make the design documents for the project. I think it would be a good idea if there is a couple of persons working on those. Anyone interested in helping me with all the writing? I mean, English is not my native language, and I'm not the best writer in the world... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Marc Clifton wrote: Um. Where? (Your sigline followed right after the colon). I hit submit too soon. :-O Marc Clifton wrote: Possibly because people just don't know other people well enough, or don't really care who's the project leader, or something else. We may have to skip this democracy crap ;) and I'll pick the leaders myself. :~ In any case, I know you and Anders are somewhat enthusiastic, and since you aren't challenged I can start indoctrinating expressing to you the method to my madness.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: I know you and Anders are somewhat enthusiastic, and since you aren't challenged I can start indoctrinating expressing to you the method to my madness. Mmmmm, Marc beat me to it, I'm starting to feel assimilated ;P - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Congrats! Anders, I have confidence that you'll do a good job. :-D :)
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiThanks :) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Marc Clifton wrote: OK, that's reasonable. I'm still concerned about people putting in ideas that don't actually intend on participating in the project. A double-edged sword. But let's see how it goes. Ignore them. Marc Clifton wrote: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? Hmmm. That might be a bit more than I'm willing to bite off. I think that would be a good thing to delegate to someone else. I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator, but if you want someone else to do it that's fine. Marc Clifton wrote: Congrats to both of you! You're first child? Thanks! Second. We have a 2 year old boy.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator Down ego, Down! No, of course I don't mind you being the coordinator. Sorry for the misread there! :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
Like Marc, I would also like the teams to be established before we make the design documents for the project. I think it would be a good idea if there is a couple of persons working on those. Anyone interested in helping me with all the writing? I mean, English is not my native language, and I'm not the best writer in the world... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
Sorry for the confusion, but I think that's how I have it outlined, or at least how I envisioned it. I'd like you to write up an abstract using a template file I'd like to send you, summarizing your own ideas of the project. Once that is finished, send it back to me for posting approval on this forum. (I know I'm the forum posting Nazi, but somebody has maintain control. :-O) You will then get suggestions for improvement, etc. but you're the leader and don't have to use any of them. After taking comments for a day or so, we'll start the project article series and begin building teams. After that, will be the design phase where you write up design docs.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Marc Clifton wrote: OK, that's reasonable. I'm still concerned about people putting in ideas that don't actually intend on participating in the project. A double-edged sword. But let's see how it goes. Ignore them. Marc Clifton wrote: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? Hmmm. That might be a bit more than I'm willing to bite off. I think that would be a good thing to delegate to someone else. I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator, but if you want someone else to do it that's fine. Marc Clifton wrote: Congrats to both of you! You're first child? Thanks! Second. We have a 2 year old boy.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator, but if you want someone else to do it that's fine IMHO you would be a good person for that - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Marc Clifton wrote: OK, that's reasonable. I'm still concerned about people putting in ideas that don't actually intend on participating in the project. A double-edged sword. But let's see how it goes. Ignore them. Marc Clifton wrote: Would you mind me being a coordinator of the projects or would you rather be independent after things get started? Hmmm. That might be a bit more than I'm willing to bite off. I think that would be a good thing to delegate to someone else. I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator, but if you want someone else to do it that's fine. Marc Clifton wrote: Congrats to both of you! You're first child? Thanks! Second. We have a 2 year old boy.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator, but if you want someone else to do it that's fine. I think you'd do really well at it. :-D
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi -
Sorry for the confusion, but I think that's how I have it outlined, or at least how I envisioned it. I'd like you to write up an abstract using a template file I'd like to send you, summarizing your own ideas of the project. Once that is finished, send it back to me for posting approval on this forum. (I know I'm the forum posting Nazi, but somebody has maintain control. :-O) You will then get suggestions for improvement, etc. but you're the leader and don't have to use any of them. After taking comments for a day or so, we'll start the project article series and begin building teams. After that, will be the design phase where you write up design docs.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: Sorry for the confusion, but I think that's how I have it outlined, or at least how I envisioned it. Woops, I was too quick, posting before reading all the other posts :-O - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Jason Henderson wrote: I know you and Anders are somewhat enthusiastic, and since you aren't challenged I can start indoctrinating expressing to you the method to my madness. Mmmmm, Marc beat me to it, I'm starting to feel assimilated ;P - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
First person to take my picture and morph me into a Borg gets a lollypop. :-D
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Jason Henderson wrote: I asked if you would mind ME being coordinator Down ego, Down! No, of course I don't mind you being the coordinator. Sorry for the misread there! :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"If at any time my ego gets to be too much, just smacl me down a notch. I try to remain humble, but when you look as good as I do, its hard sometimes. :cool: ;)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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I suggest you be flexible whenever an area is first discussed, and then edge us into whatever seems like the best idea in that area. Marc Clifton wrote: , I'll just point everyone to the AAL, since I have no idea what anyone wants to do (and I know there are ideas out there!). I have plenty of ideas myself, but I'm certainly open to discussion, just like you are. Marc Clifton wrote: Some people (like me!) have some pretty wierd ideas, so somewhere in this process there needs to be prototype development/evaluation to test out some of these whacky ideas. Just a thought, but it goes along the same lines as needing a flexible design/definition. Wacky ideas can sometimes be the seeds of wonderful things, but, yes, testing & open discussion is what refines the stubble out of the gold. Marc Clifton wrote: A personal symmantic issue, but "project design/definition" is never complete, even after everyone has taken the taxi home. I may be totally off base here, and tell me if I am, but in a loosely knit organization like this, I think the design/definition needs to remain as flexible as possible during the development. And besides, I certainly can't think of enough design/definition stuff up front, and if I do, it'll probably be wrong anyways. So flexibility is the key (gee, I sound like an Agile programmer). For one thing, stick to the standard MS coding guidelines. Also, if something is not going to cause chaos, it can be flexible, but if it will cause chaos, a standard must be agreed upon. For instance, variable name conventions are important, but it's not such a big deal whether people use C-style or C++ -style braces.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiOK, the following is all pretty much in fun, and I hope you'll take it that way! jdunlap wrote: the stubble out of the gold That's a new one! I've heard "diamond in the rough" and "wheat from chaff", but this sounds like I should be saving the stuff that falls into the sink from shaving! jdunlap wrote: For one thing, stick to the standard MS coding guidelines Do WHAT? Conform??? And to Microsoft!?!?! I didn't get all those votes for conformity, you know! Care to point me to a link? I haven't a clue what the MS coding guidelines are (and maybe I don't want to know!) jdunlap wrote: if something is not going to cause chaos, it can be flexible, but if it will cause chaos, a standard must be agreed upon Oh, I certainly agree. Experience has taught me though that chaos exists on both sides of the path--an inflexible design causes as much chaos as a too-flexible one. jdunlap wrote: For instance, variable name conventions are important, but it's not such a big deal whether people use C-style or C++ -style braces. Huh! I personally have less interest in variable name conventions and more interest in a common brace style. I LOATH this:
for (int i=0; i<10; i++) {
blah blah blah
}Quick. Where's the nearest freeware code formatter? :););P:-D:omg::rolleyes::laugh::~ :suss::cool::rose: Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
:) scrollable viewport monthview ruler commandbar treelistview (DONE) listbar (outlook-style) (DONE) toolbox listbar (DONE) clock (DONE) dial range picker (been done, but not to my satisfaction) skinnable popup - for balloons, etc. data navbar (been done, but not to my satisfaction) collapsible panel (DONE) color picker bar - functionality is like scrollbar color palette color picker gradient - round, square, etc auto-complete textbox (DONE?) image-calendar time-scheduler (DONE?) topiclist imagelistview appbar wizard ctl advanced message box analog meter control (been done, but not to my satisfaction) peak-meter number ticker (like odometer) (DONE?) colorcombo
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiCool! Some interesting things in there! Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
OK, the following is all pretty much in fun, and I hope you'll take it that way! jdunlap wrote: the stubble out of the gold That's a new one! I've heard "diamond in the rough" and "wheat from chaff", but this sounds like I should be saving the stuff that falls into the sink from shaving! jdunlap wrote: For one thing, stick to the standard MS coding guidelines Do WHAT? Conform??? And to Microsoft!?!?! I didn't get all those votes for conformity, you know! Care to point me to a link? I haven't a clue what the MS coding guidelines are (and maybe I don't want to know!) jdunlap wrote: if something is not going to cause chaos, it can be flexible, but if it will cause chaos, a standard must be agreed upon Oh, I certainly agree. Experience has taught me though that chaos exists on both sides of the path--an inflexible design causes as much chaos as a too-flexible one. jdunlap wrote: For instance, variable name conventions are important, but it's not such a big deal whether people use C-style or C++ -style braces. Huh! I personally have less interest in variable name conventions and more interest in a common brace style. I LOATH this:
for (int i=0; i<10; i++) {
blah blah blah
}Quick. Where's the nearest freeware code formatter? :););P:-D:omg::rolleyes::laugh::~ :suss::cool::rose: Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: jdunlap wrote: the stubble out of the gold That's a new one! I've heard "diamond in the rough" and "wheat from chaff", but this sounds like I should be saving the stuff that falls into the sink from shaving! I knew I'd get it for that one! ;) ;P Marc Clifton wrote: Oh, I certainly agree. Experience has taught me though that chaos exists on both sides of the path--an inflexible design causes as much chaos as a too-flexible one. Exactly. Marc Clifton wrote: _I LOATH this:
for (int i=0; i<10; i++) {
blah blah blah
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As do I. I always like to do it like this (C-style):for (int i=0; i<10; i++)
{
blah blah blah
}But IMHO there's too many more important things to be fussing over. Marc Clifton wrote: o WHAT? Conform??? And to Microsoft!?!?! I didn't get all those votes for conformity, you know! Care to point me to a link? I haven't a clue what the MS coding guidelines are (and maybe I don't want to know!) Well y'know, "WidgetCollection" instead of "colWidgets", and stuff like that.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi -
OK, the following is all pretty much in fun, and I hope you'll take it that way! jdunlap wrote: the stubble out of the gold That's a new one! I've heard "diamond in the rough" and "wheat from chaff", but this sounds like I should be saving the stuff that falls into the sink from shaving! jdunlap wrote: For one thing, stick to the standard MS coding guidelines Do WHAT? Conform??? And to Microsoft!?!?! I didn't get all those votes for conformity, you know! Care to point me to a link? I haven't a clue what the MS coding guidelines are (and maybe I don't want to know!) jdunlap wrote: if something is not going to cause chaos, it can be flexible, but if it will cause chaos, a standard must be agreed upon Oh, I certainly agree. Experience has taught me though that chaos exists on both sides of the path--an inflexible design causes as much chaos as a too-flexible one. jdunlap wrote: For instance, variable name conventions are important, but it's not such a big deal whether people use C-style or C++ -style braces. Huh! I personally have less interest in variable name conventions and more interest in a common brace style. I LOATH this:
for (int i=0; i<10; i++) {
blah blah blah
}Quick. Where's the nearest freeware code formatter? :););P:-D:omg::rolleyes::laugh::~ :suss::cool::rose: Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: for (int i=0; i<10; i++) { blah blah blah }
for (int i=0; i<10; i++)
{
blah
}is the only way to go
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Sorry for the confusion, but I think that's how I have it outlined, or at least how I envisioned it. I'd like you to write up an abstract using a template file I'd like to send you, summarizing your own ideas of the project. Once that is finished, send it back to me for posting approval on this forum. (I know I'm the forum posting Nazi, but somebody has maintain control. :-O) You will then get suggestions for improvement, etc. but you're the leader and don't have to use any of them. After taking comments for a day or so, we'll start the project article series and begin building teams. After that, will be the design phase where you write up design docs.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: forum posting Nazi Yes, I see more and more of this nazi tendency... :) jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... I don't think so... The reason I think too many messages posted in span of 3 or 4 days. It makes difficult to read those many messages and sometimes CP hiccups. People like me who spend 1 hour or 2 hours a day on CP, it's very difficult to read all the messages and reply back to them. My suggestions: 1. What we need is a CP Wiki board exclusive for Collaboration board? (with no advertisements and Expanded view) or 2. Daily Digest of all the messages posted in the Collaboration board mailed to participating members?_
Never take a problem to your boss unless you have a solution._
This signature was created by "Code Project Quoter".Kant wrote: 1. What we need is a CP Wiki board exclusive for Collaboration board? (with no advertisements and Expanded view) or 2. Daily Digest of all the messages posted in the Collaboration board mailed to participating members? Which were both parts of the unselected Code Project Tools project... John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words -
Kant wrote: 1. What we need is a CP Wiki board exclusive for Collaboration board? (with no advertisements and Expanded view) or 2. Daily Digest of all the messages posted in the Collaboration board mailed to participating members? Which were both parts of the unselected Code Project Tools project... John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words -
OK, the following is all pretty much in fun, and I hope you'll take it that way! jdunlap wrote: the stubble out of the gold That's a new one! I've heard "diamond in the rough" and "wheat from chaff", but this sounds like I should be saving the stuff that falls into the sink from shaving! jdunlap wrote: For one thing, stick to the standard MS coding guidelines Do WHAT? Conform??? And to Microsoft!?!?! I didn't get all those votes for conformity, you know! Care to point me to a link? I haven't a clue what the MS coding guidelines are (and maybe I don't want to know!) jdunlap wrote: if something is not going to cause chaos, it can be flexible, but if it will cause chaos, a standard must be agreed upon Oh, I certainly agree. Experience has taught me though that chaos exists on both sides of the path--an inflexible design causes as much chaos as a too-flexible one. jdunlap wrote: For instance, variable name conventions are important, but it's not such a big deal whether people use C-style or C++ -style braces. Huh! I personally have less interest in variable name conventions and more interest in a common brace style. I LOATH this:
for (int i=0; i<10; i++) {
blah blah blah
}Quick. Where's the nearest freeware code formatter? :););P:-D:omg::rolleyes::laugh::~ :suss::cool::rose: Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: Quick. Where's the nearest freeware code formatter? Great idea! Wait, that phase is over. --
"The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its rule by preying upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is concentrated in a few hands and the Republic destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln
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CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
I think we need to establish balanced teams with interested people first, then let a leader be borne from that. As far as "Leader" goes, I think you are filling the role fine for now. You're kinda like the CEO, establishing the vision for focused work. Let the employees get the job done. If we get teams together and get active discussions on each project, we can start to brainstorm over the project in general. Chances are, as we pour over a project as a team, we may come to realize that the project may need to take a different form altogether (for reasons as mentioned above). We need a clear consensus on the vision and goals of a project before we even open our IDE. We need a clear system design and requirrements specification. We need to define a target audience (customer) and aim to meet their needs. We need to look beyond the coding aspects of the project and take it as a chance to learn the business and design aspects of the craft as well. Let's not start too fast, and don't get discouraged over the pace. We want quality not quantity. Let the idea sink in for a while, and lets get some volunteers committed to a team to get the ball rolling so to speak. Also, we should plan some CP get-togethers to get to know each other beetter. I live in the Dallas TX area, and will be in the DC/Bethesda/PotomacMD area for a week in mud-july. I also plan on being in North-East PA (Wilkes-Barre/Scranton area) in December. Maybe we can gather some people together over a :beer: or three. Anyway, comments? - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb