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    So her computer started having all kinds of issues, including BIOS misbehaving. The computer was getting quite old and I did not fancy regular maintenance work to keep it going. Her birthday is early in the new year and so I bought her a new Dell as combined Christmas and birthday gift. I paid a little extra to get her a machine with a NVMe M.2 SSD. One of the first items I checked was the speed of the M.2 SSD. I was very disappointed. Dell had supplied the machine with a SSD that ran barely faster than clunky old SATA SSDs. In fact the sequential read speed was slightly slower than her old SATA SSD. I ordered a new Samsung 970 Pro M.2 SSD and used it to replace the item supplied by Dell. What a difference! Sequential read speed was about 5 times that of traditional Samsung SATA SSDs. Random read speeds were also much faster, but not quite 5 times. Now I sit with a M.2 SSD that Dell supplied, that is of no further use to me! I am a little disappointed in Dell.

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      So her computer started having all kinds of issues, including BIOS misbehaving. The computer was getting quite old and I did not fancy regular maintenance work to keep it going. Her birthday is early in the new year and so I bought her a new Dell as combined Christmas and birthday gift. I paid a little extra to get her a machine with a NVMe M.2 SSD. One of the first items I checked was the speed of the M.2 SSD. I was very disappointed. Dell had supplied the machine with a SSD that ran barely faster than clunky old SATA SSDs. In fact the sequential read speed was slightly slower than her old SATA SSD. I ordered a new Samsung 970 Pro M.2 SSD and used it to replace the item supplied by Dell. What a difference! Sequential read speed was about 5 times that of traditional Samsung SATA SSDs. Random read speeds were also much faster, but not quite 5 times. Now I sit with a M.2 SSD that Dell supplied, that is of no further use to me! I am a little disappointed in Dell.

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      No second slot, tucked away underneath, somewhere?

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        So her computer started having all kinds of issues, including BIOS misbehaving. The computer was getting quite old and I did not fancy regular maintenance work to keep it going. Her birthday is early in the new year and so I bought her a new Dell as combined Christmas and birthday gift. I paid a little extra to get her a machine with a NVMe M.2 SSD. One of the first items I checked was the speed of the M.2 SSD. I was very disappointed. Dell had supplied the machine with a SSD that ran barely faster than clunky old SATA SSDs. In fact the sequential read speed was slightly slower than her old SATA SSD. I ordered a new Samsung 970 Pro M.2 SSD and used it to replace the item supplied by Dell. What a difference! Sequential read speed was about 5 times that of traditional Samsung SATA SSDs. Random read speeds were also much faster, but not quite 5 times. Now I sit with a M.2 SSD that Dell supplied, that is of no further use to me! I am a little disappointed in Dell.

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        I don't buy off-the-shelf PCs. I always build them with myself with parts I select. My kid and I just built him a (gaming) PC, he selected the video card first and then we selected everything else to go around it. Previously, he had an off-the-shelf PC (against my recommendation of course) which didn't suit his a needs, but his mother buys him whatever he asks for. The only parts re-used from that are the CPU and an HDD. The old M.2 SSD was replaced with a WD Black one twice the capacity. Now he's watching CES footage and drooling over the upcoming graphics cards. :(

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          No second slot, tucked away underneath, somewhere?

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          You can get an adapter that takes an M.2 SSD and plugs into the X4 connector of the PCIe bus. But that is already occupied by another Samsung M.2 that is her data drive. So no, I have no use for the unit supplied by Dell. Yes: She has a very, very fast machine now.

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            I don't buy off-the-shelf PCs. I always build them with myself with parts I select. My kid and I just built him a (gaming) PC, he selected the video card first and then we selected everything else to go around it. Previously, he had an off-the-shelf PC (against my recommendation of course) which didn't suit his a needs, but his mother buys him whatever he asks for. The only parts re-used from that are the CPU and an HDD. The old M.2 SSD was replaced with a WD Black one twice the capacity. Now he's watching CES footage and drooling over the upcoming graphics cards. :(

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            Now he's watching CES footage and drooling

            It is difficult to keep up with development in the computer field, isn't it? :sigh:

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              You can get an adapter that takes an M.2 SSD and plugs into the X4 connector of the PCIe bus. But that is already occupied by another Samsung M.2 that is her data drive. So no, I have no use for the unit supplied by Dell. Yes: She has a very, very fast machine now.

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              [Clark Kent]

              This is a job...

              [/Clark Kent] [Superman]

              ... For EBAY!

              [Superman]

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                I don't buy off-the-shelf PCs. I always build them with myself with parts I select. My kid and I just built him a (gaming) PC, he selected the video card first and then we selected everything else to go around it. Previously, he had an off-the-shelf PC (against my recommendation of course) which didn't suit his a needs, but his mother buys him whatever he asks for. The only parts re-used from that are the CPU and an HDD. The old M.2 SSD was replaced with a WD Black one twice the capacity. Now he's watching CES footage and drooling over the upcoming graphics cards. :(

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                Mike Hankey
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                I agree, I've never bought off the shelf and if I did it wouldn't be Dell.

                Did a little mechanic work today. Put a rear end in a recliner! JaxCoder.com

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                • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                  I agree, I've never bought off the shelf and if I did it wouldn't be Dell.

                  Did a little mechanic work today. Put a rear end in a recliner! JaxCoder.com

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                  I have bought numerous Dell units over the years and on the whole found them quite reliable. However, they do come with a bunch of crapware installed, so the first thing I do, is to run the Diskpart "clean" command on the system drive and then do a clean install of Windows.

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                    Now he's watching CES footage and drooling

                    It is difficult to keep up with development in the computer field, isn't it? :sigh:

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                    Seems like very soon after you get it built it it becomes obsolete. Especially video cards and they ain't cheap.

                    Did a little mechanic work today. Put a rear end in a recliner! JaxCoder.com

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                      [Clark Kent]

                      This is a job...

                      [/Clark Kent] [Superman]

                      ... For EBAY!

                      [Superman]

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      Right! When you're right you're right! And you are right. :)

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                        Seems like very soon after you get it built it it becomes obsolete. Especially video cards and they ain't cheap.

                        Did a little mechanic work today. Put a rear end in a recliner! JaxCoder.com

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                        Fortunately we don't play games on our machines that require fast video cards. She plays Freecell from time to time, but that you can do even on very slow machines!

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                          I don't buy off-the-shelf PCs. I always build them with myself with parts I select. My kid and I just built him a (gaming) PC, he selected the video card first and then we selected everything else to go around it. Previously, he had an off-the-shelf PC (against my recommendation of course) which didn't suit his a needs, but his mother buys him whatever he asks for. The only parts re-used from that are the CPU and an HDD. The old M.2 SSD was replaced with a WD Black one twice the capacity. Now he's watching CES footage and drooling over the upcoming graphics cards. :(

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                          PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                          I don't buy off-the-shelf PCs. I always build them with myself with parts I select.

                          That can turn out being quite expensive though.

                          Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                            I have bought numerous Dell units over the years and on the whole found them quite reliable. However, they do come with a bunch of crapware installed, so the first thing I do, is to run the Diskpart "clean" command on the system drive and then do a clean install of Windows.

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                            My last job I had a POS Dell that crashed often and the tech guy reinstalled OS many times. I think they thought I was faking it, had other problems but that wasn't one of them.

                            Did a little mechanic work today. Put a rear end in a recliner! JaxCoder.com

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                              I don't buy off-the-shelf PCs. I always build them with myself with parts I select. My kid and I just built him a (gaming) PC, he selected the video card first and then we selected everything else to go around it. Previously, he had an off-the-shelf PC (against my recommendation of course) which didn't suit his a needs, but his mother buys him whatever he asks for. The only parts re-used from that are the CPU and an HDD. The old M.2 SSD was replaced with a WD Black one twice the capacity. Now he's watching CES footage and drooling over the upcoming graphics cards. :(

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                              PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                              I don't buy off-the-shelf PCs

                              I guess you don't build laptops eh? :)

                              "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                                My last job I had a POS Dell that crashed often and the tech guy reinstalled OS many times. I think they thought I was faking it, had other problems but that wasn't one of them.

                                Did a little mechanic work today. Put a rear end in a recliner! JaxCoder.com

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                                Was it not just a bad system drive?

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                                  PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                  I don't buy off-the-shelf PCs

                                  I guess you don't build laptops eh? :)

                                  "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                                  I once had to replace the disk drive in a laptop that was designed in such a way that you had the take the entire system apart to get to the drive, including removing the main board. What a nightmare! Took me many hours and afterwards the WiFi never worked again. :mad:

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                                    So her computer started having all kinds of issues, including BIOS misbehaving. The computer was getting quite old and I did not fancy regular maintenance work to keep it going. Her birthday is early in the new year and so I bought her a new Dell as combined Christmas and birthday gift. I paid a little extra to get her a machine with a NVMe M.2 SSD. One of the first items I checked was the speed of the M.2 SSD. I was very disappointed. Dell had supplied the machine with a SSD that ran barely faster than clunky old SATA SSDs. In fact the sequential read speed was slightly slower than her old SATA SSD. I ordered a new Samsung 970 Pro M.2 SSD and used it to replace the item supplied by Dell. What a difference! Sequential read speed was about 5 times that of traditional Samsung SATA SSDs. Random read speeds were also much faster, but not quite 5 times. Now I sit with a M.2 SSD that Dell supplied, that is of no further use to me! I am a little disappointed in Dell.

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                                    Dell used to use quality components but like every other manufacturer has gone to saving every cent possible on all but their high highest-end models - all products. In fact just last week I was looking at laptops, (not just Dell). It's sad the mid-range models I was looking at from every manufacturer all have at least one, usually more, compromises in quality/performance. To get a truly uncompromised laptop really meant buying high to highest end. In the end I bought: dinner - after wasting a whole day on research decided to give up on buying a crap-top. Until recently I had an old i3 Dell, (gen 3 or 4 - "M," 2 cores without hyperthreading), that noticeably outperformed [a batch of] 8th gen i5 Dell Desktops one of my clients purchased year before last. CPU benchmarks were lower on the i3 but just running win 7 or 10 the laptop ran noticeably MUCH faster. desktop hard disks were supposedly faster but real life came out measurably slower (even without a stopwatch), boot/shutdown time: i3 by a lot, program startup: i3 ... I ran visual studio on the i3 laptop: always instant responsive (couple of seconds to start), very very useable. Tried vs on one of the i5 desktops - almost threw up (both me and seemed the desktop too). I have no idea why (yes: all 'tuned' the same etc). On paper that i3 was a dinosaur, the i5's "modern." Laptops really seem suck more and more every year.

                                    after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!

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                                      PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                      I don't buy off-the-shelf PCs. I always build them with myself with parts I select.

                                      That can turn out being quite expensive though.

                                      Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                                      Not as expensive as buying the wrong system and then buying the right one.

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                                        Was it not just a bad system drive?

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                                        Don't know. I don't think they ever did anything besides reinstalling OS. Don't care.

                                        Did a little mechanic work today. Put a rear end in a recliner! JaxCoder.com

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                                          PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                          I don't buy off-the-shelf PCs. I always build them with myself with parts I select.

                                          That can turn out being quite expensive though.

                                          Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                                          If it's more expensive and you're using identical parts, you're doing something wrong. Nobody (certainly not Dell) builds PCs without charging you for it.

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