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    OK, now I can't help myself :-O See my board[^] basically a) Two Zions - one inside the matrix, one outside, some H2G2 allusions, and Smith=Judas = rocks anyway.


    "Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
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      OK, now I can't help myself :-O See my board[^] basically a) Two Zions - one inside the matrix, one outside, some H2G2 allusions, and Smith=Judas = rocks anyway.


      "Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
      sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen

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      I'm not sure if theres enough details there to support some of the ideas. For example, the Smith = Judas comparison misses a few things. First, Judas was trusted as one of the disciples (Cypher might be a better candidate). Second, Judas betrayed Jesus for money. Smith isn't getting paid to betray Neo. The Merowinger - why did he have a French accent? Catering for the US citizens looking for an enemy? Or was it filmed before and is it just a coincidence? I doubt this has much to do with a 'lets make the French look bad' desire. For one thing, the movie was shot over the course of 2001 and 2002. Silver and his crew shot all three Matrix films in Australia, the last two in the trilogy Reloaded and Revolutions over 209 days in Sydney in 2001 and 2002. Of course, as I learned in college, literary/movie interpretation is more about the creative talents of the critic than the actual movie. Some of my best grades came from totally BS interpretations which showed more imagination than hard-nosed facts. Entertain the professor and you'll get a good grade, I guess. I'm surprised you didn't mention the connection between Zion and Christianity/Judism. Maybe that's a little too obvious to mention, but I'm sure it isn't obvious to the non-Christians at CP. Zion is essentially the city/place of God. Examples: For out of Jerusalem will come a remnant, and out of Mount Zion a band of survivors. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this. 2 Kings 19:31 I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill. Psalm 2:6 Sing praises to the LORD , enthroned in Zion; proclaim among the nations what he has done. Psalm 9:11 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. Romans 11:26 I think the Matrix was just loaded with all kinds of religious allusions - and not just Christian ones. People draw connections to Buddhism and Hinduism, as well. I'm sure the Weinsteins are just happy to see everyone running all over trying to "figure out" the Matrix. I don't think there is a single interpretation that will account for everything, which will inspire people to keep looking for a better interpretation for a long time. ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

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        I'm not sure if theres enough details there to support some of the ideas. For example, the Smith = Judas comparison misses a few things. First, Judas was trusted as one of the disciples (Cypher might be a better candidate). Second, Judas betrayed Jesus for money. Smith isn't getting paid to betray Neo. The Merowinger - why did he have a French accent? Catering for the US citizens looking for an enemy? Or was it filmed before and is it just a coincidence? I doubt this has much to do with a 'lets make the French look bad' desire. For one thing, the movie was shot over the course of 2001 and 2002. Silver and his crew shot all three Matrix films in Australia, the last two in the trilogy Reloaded and Revolutions over 209 days in Sydney in 2001 and 2002. Of course, as I learned in college, literary/movie interpretation is more about the creative talents of the critic than the actual movie. Some of my best grades came from totally BS interpretations which showed more imagination than hard-nosed facts. Entertain the professor and you'll get a good grade, I guess. I'm surprised you didn't mention the connection between Zion and Christianity/Judism. Maybe that's a little too obvious to mention, but I'm sure it isn't obvious to the non-Christians at CP. Zion is essentially the city/place of God. Examples: For out of Jerusalem will come a remnant, and out of Mount Zion a band of survivors. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this. 2 Kings 19:31 I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill. Psalm 2:6 Sing praises to the LORD , enthroned in Zion; proclaim among the nations what he has done. Psalm 9:11 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. Romans 11:26 I think the Matrix was just loaded with all kinds of religious allusions - and not just Christian ones. People draw connections to Buddhism and Hinduism, as well. I'm sure the Weinsteins are just happy to see everyone running all over trying to "figure out" the Matrix. I don't think there is a single interpretation that will account for everything, which will inspire people to keep looking for a better interpretation for a long time. ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

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        Well - let's see No. 3. I guess it's just the idea of Smith being necessary that I like ;) Brit wrote: doubt this has much to do with a 'lets make the French look bad' Me to, but it was my first reaction "uhh... that would fit" Thanks for the dates. Brit wrote: I'm surprised you didn't mention the connection between Zion and Christianity/Judism. I was "mildly aware" of it, but wanted to look up on Zion a bit more (got stuck with Animatrix though). Yet, nicely fits the zeroOne again ;) Brit wrote: I don't think there is a single interpretation that will account for everything, And I dearly hope Revolutions doesn't try to deliver that!


        "Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
        sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen

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          I'm not sure if theres enough details there to support some of the ideas. For example, the Smith = Judas comparison misses a few things. First, Judas was trusted as one of the disciples (Cypher might be a better candidate). Second, Judas betrayed Jesus for money. Smith isn't getting paid to betray Neo. The Merowinger - why did he have a French accent? Catering for the US citizens looking for an enemy? Or was it filmed before and is it just a coincidence? I doubt this has much to do with a 'lets make the French look bad' desire. For one thing, the movie was shot over the course of 2001 and 2002. Silver and his crew shot all three Matrix films in Australia, the last two in the trilogy Reloaded and Revolutions over 209 days in Sydney in 2001 and 2002. Of course, as I learned in college, literary/movie interpretation is more about the creative talents of the critic than the actual movie. Some of my best grades came from totally BS interpretations which showed more imagination than hard-nosed facts. Entertain the professor and you'll get a good grade, I guess. I'm surprised you didn't mention the connection between Zion and Christianity/Judism. Maybe that's a little too obvious to mention, but I'm sure it isn't obvious to the non-Christians at CP. Zion is essentially the city/place of God. Examples: For out of Jerusalem will come a remnant, and out of Mount Zion a band of survivors. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this. 2 Kings 19:31 I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill. Psalm 2:6 Sing praises to the LORD , enthroned in Zion; proclaim among the nations what he has done. Psalm 9:11 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. Romans 11:26 I think the Matrix was just loaded with all kinds of religious allusions - and not just Christian ones. People draw connections to Buddhism and Hinduism, as well. I'm sure the Weinsteins are just happy to see everyone running all over trying to "figure out" the Matrix. I don't think there is a single interpretation that will account for everything, which will inspire people to keep looking for a better interpretation for a long time. ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

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          Brit wrote: Smith = Judas right, smith isn't judas,, he's GOLLUM -John

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