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  • N Nand32

    Yeah, it was a bit important, we couldn't reschedule. It's very rare though. We were discussing the preparedness for another meeting with key people. Otherwise yes, food is quite important. :) :-D

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    Nand32 wrote:

    We were discussing the preparedness for another meeting

    Meetings to discuss meetings. Is it even possible to be any more productive?

    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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      Nand32 wrote:

      We were discussing the preparedness for another meeting

      Meetings to discuss meetings. Is it even possible to be any more productive?

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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      We announce the cancellation of the maintenance of the removal of measures whose abandonment of confirmation had been abrogated.

      "Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke! Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."

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        Nand32 wrote:

        We were discussing the preparedness for another meeting

        Meetings to discuss meetings. Is it even possible to be any more productive?

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        Surprisingly, they can be a very good idea. Not a long one, but I always held a "pre-meeting meeting" if we were meeting suppliers (and some customers) to make sure that everybody from "our side" is onboard with what we want to achieve, and what they are to bring to the meeting (in terms of both roles and supporting materials). It can really damage negotiations if one of your own starts making concessions that the company can't accept or starts saying stuff is easier or harder to do than you have been discussing. Five, ten, maybe up to thirty minutes just to get everyone on the same page. Makes you look a lot more focussed and professional as well when the "real" meeting starts.

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        • J jsc42

          I am often on long calls in an evening and my dinner isn't ready at the start of the call; so I am used to eating whilst in meetings. I have found that the best plan is to only take small mouthfuls. Then, if you are expected to reply, you can just swallow what is in your mouth. If you have something noisy to eat, e.g. a crunchy apple, use the mute button but don't forget to unmute before speaking but after swallowing.

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          :-D Great to see you've done that & optimized the technique. :thumbsup::cool:

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            Nand32 wrote:

            We were discussing the preparedness for another meeting

            Meetings to discuss meetings. Is it even possible to be any more productive?

            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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            :laugh: happens! When the upcoming meeting is about big shots taking part.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Surprisingly, they can be a very good idea. Not a long one, but I always held a "pre-meeting meeting" if we were meeting suppliers (and some customers) to make sure that everybody from "our side" is onboard with what we want to achieve, and what they are to bring to the meeting (in terms of both roles and supporting materials). It can really damage negotiations if one of your own starts making concessions that the company can't accept or starts saying stuff is easier or harder to do than you have been discussing. Five, ten, maybe up to thirty minutes just to get everyone on the same page. Makes you look a lot more focussed and professional as well when the "real" meeting starts.

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              Similar tactics in another profession are called "insider trading".

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                We announce the cancellation of the maintenance of the removal of measures whose abandonment of confirmation had been abrogated.

                "Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke! Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."

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                phil.o wrote:

                We announce the cancellation of the maintenance of the removal of measures whose abandonment of confirmation had been abrogated.

                Hold on, hold on! I think we need to discuss this...

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  Surprisingly, they can be a very good idea. Not a long one, but I always held a "pre-meeting meeting" if we were meeting suppliers (and some customers) to make sure that everybody from "our side" is onboard with what we want to achieve, and what they are to bring to the meeting (in terms of both roles and supporting materials). It can really damage negotiations if one of your own starts making concessions that the company can't accept or starts saying stuff is easier or harder to do than you have been discussing. Five, ten, maybe up to thirty minutes just to get everyone on the same page. Makes you look a lot more focussed and professional as well when the "real" meeting starts.

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  This. I do it too when meeting (potential) customers. Imagine the customer asking "what do you think it'll cost?" and multiple people saying different things at the same time :laugh: Luckily, I haven't been in that particular situation, but I have been in the situation where we had to be like "well, you know, I/he mean(s) ..." or just shutting up to not contradict a coworker who just said something that most likely isn't true.

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                  • N Nand32

                    Yeah, it was a bit important, we couldn't reschedule. It's very rare though. We were discussing the preparedness for another meeting with key people. Otherwise yes, food is quite important. :) :-D

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                    Two decades ago, when working with Japanese counterparts, I got introduced to Nemawashi - Wikipedia[^], which, roughly, means "pre-meeting meetings / preparations".

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                    • M Mark_Wallace

                      phil.o wrote:

                      We announce the cancellation of the maintenance of the removal of measures whose abandonment of confirmation had been abrogated.

                      Hold on, hold on! I think we need to discuss this...

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      Mark_Wallace wrote:

                      I think we need to discuss this...

                      Let's setup a pre-meeting then. When will it be possible for you to postpone it?

                      "Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke! Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        Surprisingly, they can be a very good idea. Not a long one, but I always held a "pre-meeting meeting" if we were meeting suppliers (and some customers) to make sure that everybody from "our side" is onboard with what we want to achieve, and what they are to bring to the meeting (in terms of both roles and supporting materials). It can really damage negotiations if one of your own starts making concessions that the company can't accept or starts saying stuff is easier or harder to do than you have been discussing. Five, ten, maybe up to thirty minutes just to get everyone on the same page. Makes you look a lot more focussed and professional as well when the "real" meeting starts.

                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                        If those things are happening it is an indication that either some people do not fully understand their role or they haven't had it clearly defined for them. I think it is best when only certain people are designated to comment on those topics for exactly those reasons.

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                        • A Amarnath S

                          Two decades ago, when working with Japanese counterparts, I got introduced to Nemawashi - Wikipedia[^], which, roughly, means "pre-meeting meetings / preparations".

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                          Nand32
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                          Great. Thanks for sharing!

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                          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                            This. I do it too when meeting (potential) customers. Imagine the customer asking "what do you think it'll cost?" and multiple people saying different things at the same time :laugh: Luckily, I haven't been in that particular situation, but I have been in the situation where we had to be like "well, you know, I/he mean(s) ..." or just shutting up to not contradict a coworker who just said something that most likely isn't true.

                            Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                            Sander Rossel wrote:

                            Imagine the customer asking "what do you think it'll cost?" and multiple people saying different things at the same time

                            That's for a costing meeting (yes, you are allowed to have them, although many companies foolishly don't).

                            Sander Rossel wrote:

                            shutting up to not contradict a coworker who just said something that most likely isn't true

                            There's an easy solution to that one: don't invite any sales or marketing staff -- that's 97% of non-factual information excluded, with just one click of the Del key.

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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