I might need to optimize this XD

[Lost User]

honey the codewitch wrote:

Yes I do and the performance is god awful.

I agree, and that's why I run FireFox :D

honey the codewitch wrote:

Plus each fiber only lives for the duration of one character.

So, light weight threads that are short-lived? How would it compare to a threadpool, cutting back on creation cost and feeding the threads as they become available?

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[honey the codewitch]

They're already allocated since they're simple structs sitting inside an array. The only field that gets set are two simple 32 bit fields on the struct =) Since they're allocated this way, at least unless .NET sucks in this arena (i haven't checked the IL) they don't need to be recycled - they're permanent instances. Furthermore, the fibers get used at maximum - they are never idle, ergo, a threadpool won't benefit me.

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[Greg Utas]

honey the codewitch wrote:

the performance is god awful

Ah yes, the rarely appropriate Thread Per Request pattern. Almost always better is a work queue served by a single thread, or a pool if blocking is an issue. Threads eat up memory, add context switching overhead, and introduce critical regions. I recently discovered how often Windows schedules a new thread, and I'm still flabbergasted. Fibers, being lighter weight, shouldn't be as bad, but evidently it's still plenty bad.

honey the codewitch wrote:

each fiber only lives for the duration of one character

:omg: :wtf: X|

[honey the codewitch]

The fibers are already allocated since they're simple structs sitting inside an array. The only field that gets set are two simple 32 bit fields on the struct =) Since they're allocated this way, at least unless .NET sucks in this arena (i haven't checked the IL) they don't need to be recycled - they're permanent instances. So a threadpool doesn't buy me anything. These aren't traditional threads.

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[Greg Utas]

These sound like really lightweight fibers, so .NET must suck at handling them. :)

[honey the codewitch]

No, the issue is most fibers resolve to examination of a single character in the input so if you have 10 of them the same character gets examined as much as 10 times. This is a byproduct of the design of a Pike VM, itself an artifact of the way NFA expressions work so there's very little to be done about it except convert to a DFA (the optimization process) Reduce the fibers and it speeds right up:

NFA ran with 10 max fibers and 3.5 average char passes
NFA+DFA (optimized) ran with 6 max fibers and 2.5 average char passes
DFA ran with 2.5 max fibers and 1 average char passes
Pass #1
NFA: Lexed in 1.575287 msec
NFA+DFA (optimized): Lexed in 1.054843 msec
DFA: Lexed in 0.901254 msec
Pass #2
NFA: Lexed in 1.529819 msec
NFA+DFA (optimized): Lexed in 1.100836 msec
DFA: Lexed in 0.830835 msec
Pass #3
NFA: Lexed in 1.523334 msec
NFA+DFA (optimized): Lexed in 1.049213 msec
DFA: Lexed in 0.851737 msec
Pass #4
NFA: Lexed in 1.400265 msec
NFA+DFA (optimized): Lexed in 1.03485 msec
DFA: Lexed in 0.829009 msec

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[Jon McKee]

Eddy Vluggen wrote:

So, light weight threads that are short-lived?

Kinda. Their primary purpose is non-preemptive/cooperative multitasking instead of preemptive multitasking like threads. The best analogy I've seen is co-routines.

[honey the codewitch]

Yep. That's about the long and short of it.

private struct _Fiber
{
public readonly int[][] Program;
public readonly int Index;
public int[] Saved;
public _Fiber(int[][] program, int index,int[] saved)
{
Program = program;
Index = index;
Saved = saved;
}
public _Fiber(_Fiber fiber, int index,int[] saved)
{
Program = fiber.Program;
Index = index;
Saved = saved;
}
}

All it contains is a pointer to the program array which all fibers share, the current instruction pointer, and any saved cursor position (only used in the event of the "save" instruction) Creating them is cheap since I just use a straight array to hold them all and it basically never gets resized, so all of them are already "live" just waiting to have their fields filled in.

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[Jorgen Andersson]

If I have understood it correctly: yield uses fibers, foreach uses yield. So try to swap a few well chosen foreach loops for classic for loops and see what happens.

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

[honey the codewitch]

I'm not using any foreach loops. I've already optimized the VM itself to within an inch of its life

Real programmers use butterflies

[Jorgen Andersson]

How about Linq?

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

[honey the codewitch]

I thought the goal was to speed this up?

Real programmers use butterflies

[ZTransform]

Lounge?

[Jorgen Andersson]

I didn't tell you to use it, I'm just looking for problems. :-)

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

[honey the codewitch]

Yes, this is the Lounge.

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[honey the codewitch]

Look away. Here's almost all of it. The stuff you don't see is very thin

public static int Run(int[][] prog,LexContext input)
{
input.EnsureStarted();
int i,match=-1;
_Fiber[] currentFibers, nextFibers, tmp;
int currentFiberCount=0, nextFiberCount=0;
int[] pc;
// position in input
int sp=0;
// stores our captured input
var sb = new StringBuilder(64);
int[] saved, matched;
saved = new int[2];
currentFibers = new _Fiber[prog.Length];
nextFibers = new _Fiber[prog.Length];
_EnqueueFiber(ref currentFiberCount, ref currentFibers, new _Fiber(prog,0, saved), 0);
matched = null;
var cur = -1;
if (LexContext.EndOfInput != input.Current)
{
var ch1 = unchecked((char)input.Current);
if (char.IsHighSurrogate(ch1))
{
if (-1 == input.Advance())
throw new ExpectingException("Expecting low surrogate in unicode stream. The input source is corrupt or not valid Unicode", input.Line, input.Column, input.Position, input.FileOrUrl);
var ch2 = unchecked((char)input.Current);
cur = char.ConvertToUtf32(ch1, ch2);
}
else
cur = ch1;

}
		
while(0

[Jorgen Andersson]

In the sticky post at the top: 2. Technical discussions are welcome...[^]

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

[Jorgen Andersson]

Oh, no wonder then, you're doing it on purpose... :laugh:

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

[honey the codewitch]

Doing what on purpose? I'm a little slow this morning. :)

Real programmers use butterflies

[Jorgen Andersson]

Spawning loads of fibers. Or is this auto generated code again?

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello